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Anyone else make this call ! couldnt believe it when he turned over?
scouse3465:
Some good points ty all . Made no odds cos went out about 50 before the money, i 3 bet jammed with about 17 bigs with AK got 4 bet shoved by 10`s when he just had me covered and the 10s held ! Win that race and was on course for a swindells lol
PantsMan:
--- Quote from: AMRN on June 20, 2011, 14:40:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: PantsMan on June 20, 2011, 14:23:22 PM ---
As for the call, personally i think it"s dreadful. Don"t mind the pre-flop raise but not calling the shove. Much better spots imo. As for his image, does it more harm than good for me.
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Andy - you don"t mind a preflop raise to 3x, but you would then fold to a 10x shove? Shouldn"t be opening 3x if you gonna fold to a shortstack shove.
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Well, i wouldn"t be opening there to 3x to be fair. Should have stated that. I meant the raise itself, not the amount.
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: PantsMan on June 20, 2011, 14:23:22 PM ---
As for the call, personally i think it"s dreadful. Don"t mind the pre-flop raise but not calling the shove. Much better spots imo.
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This is really flawed thinking Andy. The pot odds make this a neutral / + EV call so neither calling or folding are dreadful but you do have to take really thin edges to succeed in these huge field events.
It is most likely, as stated earlier, that aylinka18 raised knowing who he"d call a shove from and who he"d fold to.
PantsMan:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on June 20, 2011, 16:48:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: PantsMan on June 20, 2011, 14:23:22 PM ---
As for the call, personally i think it"s dreadful. Don"t mind the pre-flop raise but not calling the shove. Much better spots imo.
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This is really flawed thinking Andy. The pot odds make this a neutral / + EV call so neither calling or folding are dreadful but you do have to take really thin edges to succeed in these huge field events.
It is most likely, as stated earlier, that aylinka18 raised knowing who he"d call a shove from and who he"d fold to.
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But Scouse had also stated earlier that he"d been playing tight (as it"s Scouse this could well mean only playing the top 80% of hands! ;o).
So if Aylinka raised knowing who he"d fold to how come he chose to call against someone who"d been playing tight?
If it were someone Scouse knew and he was playing his normal game i don"t mind so much, as it is there are much better spots.
AMRN:
--- Quote from: PantsMan on June 20, 2011, 17:24:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on June 20, 2011, 16:48:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: PantsMan on June 20, 2011, 14:23:22 PM ---
As for the call, personally i think it"s dreadful. Don"t mind the pre-flop raise but not calling the shove. Much better spots imo.
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This is really flawed thinking Andy. The pot odds make this a neutral / + EV call so neither calling or folding are dreadful but you do have to take really thin edges to succeed in these huge field events.
It is most likely, as stated earlier, that aylinka18 raised knowing who he"d call a shove from and who he"d fold to.
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But Scouse had also stated earlier that he"d been playing tight (as it"s Scouse this could well mean only playing the top 80% of hands! ;o).
So if Aylinka raised knowing who he"d fold to how come he chose to call against someone who"d been playing tight?
If it were someone Scouse knew and he was playing his normal game i don"t mind so much, as it is there are much better spots.
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you are making an assumption that he was paying attention to Scouse"s VPIP etc.
Also, even if Scouse is only shoving top 8% (88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AJo+), 74s still has 30%.
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