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QQ in a 5-bet pot in a cash game
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: Marty719 on July 06, 2011, 17:55:03 PM ---
I have to disagree that it is generous. People at these levels overplay AK in general, and he is more likely to squeeze IP w/ it after a pfr and a flat. He can actually squeeze a little wider in this spot as AMRN"s flat ensure that utg needs a genuine hand to continue. I actually narrowed the original range.
Id say no-one has a large enough sample of these spots to adequately make an assessment from their database, but I think folding Q"s here would be a mistake given our pf actions.
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His range for the IP squeeze is likely very wide for sure but that is largely irrelevent now, since we 4 bet and he 5 bet jams 140 BB"s effective.
Our "just enough equity" is largely based on the likelihood of AK in his range, the fact that we are 140 BB"s deep and up against a solid reg who has position would be enough evidence for me to discount / not include AK in his 5 bet range.
For me it boils down to this.......
This is a breakeven spot, at best!!!! and 50% of the time it will adversely effect our standard of play which will cost us $$$$$
noble1:
did u have a peek at villains Fold to 4-bet percentage steve before acting?
a wee peek at villains 3-bet percentage depending on position would divulge a bit of info for u since u were 6tabling..
having these at your disposal will/met at least allow u to quantify villains 3betting range.
also i met if playing a few tables against players i haven"t come up against a lot check the Won $ when saw flop percentage, sometimes u can get a reflection of a players skill by there W multiplied by there VPIP. I use the W stat to get a vague idea how good someone is postflop, if decent ish then in theory :) that translates to there pre-flop game as well...
i prefer proper reads though, but one must embrace technology and make use of it sometimes i guess :(
samuel_9:
you should 22 they r the nuts not AQ
noble1:
EV = [(bet to call)x(1 - equity in the pot)]+[(equity in pot)x(pot size)]
4bet for profit - 26/40.31 = 64.50% [if villain folds less than this then its obvious -EV]
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: noble1 on July 09, 2011, 12:14:56 PM ---
EV = [(bet to call)x(1 - equity in the pot)]+[(equity in pot)x(pot size)]
4bet for profit - 26/40.31 = 64.50% [if villain folds less than this then its obvious -EV]
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Not sure where you"re coming from here Noble, if we had rags and were contemplating 4 bet bluffing, I see the relevence but is Steve 4 betting for value in this spot? which begs the question......
What hands in villains range do we get value from when we 4 bet QQ ?
Say villain squeezes here with all of his button open raise range, its a good spot for him to do this tbh so he might raise with.....
22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J7s+,T7s+,96s+,86s+,76s,65s,A8o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o,
if he folds......
AJs-A2s,K2s+,Q2s+,J7s+,T7s+,96s+,86s+,76s,65s,AJo-A8o,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o,
and 5 bets.....
KK+,AhKh,AsKs,AcKd,AcKh,AcKs,AdKh,AdKs,AhKs
it leaves a potential value flatting range of......
JJ-22,QcQd,AcKc,AdKd,AQs,AdKc,AhKc,AhKd,AsKc,AsKd,AsKh,AQo,
Getting >5/1 implied odds set minining JJ-22 would be a huge mistake, that leaves...
QcQd,AcKc,AdKd,AQs,AdKc,AhKc,AhKd,AsKc,AsKd,AsKh,AQo, and AQo is unlikely to flat tbh.
That is only 31 of his original 500+ combos, AQo accounts for 16 combos so maybe as low as 15.
Are my ranges for villain continuing too tight?
What does 4 betting achieve?
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