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Was this bad play?
hi_am_chris:
If you were convinced you could win the side pot just by betting then u made the right play, if you thought you would be called it would have been better to check it down than to build an even bigger pot to fight for with just k high. There are 160 players left, even if the short stack doubles up hes still short so i think taking the bigger side pot was definately the right play. If it was a decent sized main pot or could cause u to move up a significant amount of money then it might have been worth checking down but it wasnt.
GiMac:
At this stage of the tournament I would play it exactly as you have, if I was in the hand in the first place and I"m not sure I would have been.
However, if I was on the bubble or nearing the final table I would probably apply the unwritten rule, as it is more to my benefit to see a player knocked out than to win what is a relatively small pot.
kinboshi:
People get this "etiquette" or "unwritten rule" completely wrong IMO.
Like several people have mentioned, it"s only relevant when it"s near the end of the tournament, and laddering (moving up a place) makes a difference to those involved. It"s not done to help anyone else out - it"s done for your own benefit.
NEVER make a play for another player"s benefit unless it benefits you also.
The person who criticised you for not sticking to the "rule" was wrong. With that many players left, it"s pretty much irrelevant if the short-stack is knocked out or not.
The other thing to remember in poker is that you"ve paid your entry fee or exchanged your money for chips at a cash game - as long as you don"t break the actual rules of the game, you can bet, call, raise and fold how you want. If you want to call an all-in bet with 47o, then that"s your prerogative. No one can tell you what you should do or shouldn"t do. Obviously, you might want advice from someone after a hand as how you might best play it in the future, but at the table the advice isn"t usually for your benefit - it"s usually someone just letting off steam.
Don"t let what someone says in the chat box (or at the table in a live game) put you off or adversely affect your game. Wayne"s advice is good for those who do get worked up about what people say - switch the chat off. I like to use it, but make sure that I don"t get upset by what people say.
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: Kinboshi on December 28, 2007, 16:33:53 PM ---
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Don"t let what someone says in the chat box (or at the table in a live game) put you off or adversely affect your game. Wayne"s advice is good for those who do get worked up about what people say - switch the chat off. I like to use it, but make sure that I don"t get upset by what people say.
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Good point - I find the chat box can be very useful for assessing peoples mood and their skill level.
Poker is a game of incomplete information, if other players want to leak lots of information to you by what they say in the chat box then that is to your advantage.
Obviously if it does affect your play adversely then that benefit is going to be outweighed by the negative effect it has on your play so switch it off, but I would suggest the most profitable option is to find a way to not let it affect you.
evilpie:
Another opinion for you.
Don"t play with k 10 if you know you"re going to get called, at best you"re about 50-50. In the late stages it"s worth it to take out a player but even then a flat call would be better to get more help taking him out. If you raise and then get called you"re stuck in a potentially expensive pot.
Once you"re in it though I can"t fault steeling the side pot? Good move I"d say.
I also agree entirely with what Kinboshi says. You"ve paid your money to enter and it"s your chips you"re risking so do what you want when you want. If this idiot had a hand he"d have loved the "donkey" who just gifted him an extra 1500 or so chips. He"s only bitter because he lost.
Good luck in the future
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