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Rudders jnr Here omaha cash hand
noble1:
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Okay here"s my thinking (rudders jnr here) - Sorry on my phone and haven"t found the tab/ enter key. Preflop is super spewy and bad. On the flop by betting the flop he"s repping a really thin group of hands (66-he"d probably check,ace6,6789 hands ish ) although I think he checks back most of those. For pot control and to trap/ I could quite easily have aces over). The turn cements in my head I have the best hand if he had infact of bet out with ak. The river bet I think anyone would flat a6,q6,j6, a straight. Leaving him quad 6"s , aces,qq,jj - I don"t think he has jj or qq most people who play bluffs then hit will then flat call + it"s a really weird way to play either of these hands but is a distinct possibilty. He doesn"t have aces ever he"d already got it in twice pre with the ugliest aces known to man. 66 again there is a slim chance but the size of his bet sort of indicates he wasn"t that strong as I think he would of made it like 60-70 with quads or any value hand. Summary: I don"t think there is any hand here that his betsizing represents. I"m pretty sure it was a stone cold bluff. Also sorry for bad grammar and layout of my post ::)
rudders:
Ok...... Original Rudders here! My thoughts for what they are worth. So much in this hand depends on the table dynamics and your knowledge of the player. First of all you are out of position so to reraise here when you think he will call is bad ( if there is 50%+ that he will fold to rr then maybe but I suspect that this is not the first 3 bet you have made!). You have now inflated the pot to make tough decisions out of position with a marginal holding. For the record if the ace was suited it would have been a far better holding in my opinion. Having taken an aggressive line you have to consider what you are representing. If it were me playing a half pot lead on the flop looks like aaxx trying to get value from a spray player ( mainly because most people think this all I rr with pre!). If he is a spewtard a half pot bet on the turn is ok. Then you have to decide whether to jam or ch/fold the river. This really depends on whether you think he will fold a 6 or rivered straight. I know it"s a paired board but once you have rr this a believable line. And these idiots will call with ak or a fl draw.
The way you have played it doesn"t make any sense other than a 6xxx hand. Aa would click back on turn IMHO. Or even lead turn. Certainly bet half pot on river if you want to represent anysort of holding although I favour the check.
For the record I fold pre. Mainly because I am out of position against an aggro player who will make me make difficult decisions where I am guessing all the way.
AceOnTheRiver:
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on July 22, 2011, 21:05:52 PM ---
Would"a guessed....Rudders knows the difference between should of and should have. ;D
(Sorry, pet peeve of mine)
--- End quote ---
Give "em a break Paulie... English isn"t their first language ;)
dwh103:
I don"t think you can comfortably say he checks back 6xxx hands on the flop. He gains absolutely nothing by getting to the turn for free unless you have AAxx. The biggest likelihood is that your hand is what it is - a hand that wants to pot control. I"d say a check behind with a decently strong holding is pretty horrific imo.
You haven"t gone into the table dynamic, or any other information. Not sitting at the table myself therefore makes it hard to properly gauge what he"s like, whether he"s generally aggressive, good, spewy, trappy etc.
Turn "should" narrow his range by betting again. Bit tough for him to have a boat unless it"s A6xx - or he sucked pre. If he"s arrived at the above conclusion on the flop then I suppose he can still justify a bet with a 6xxx to protect his hand and get value from yours - am undecided. The bet sizing does look a little more defensive - in that he looks like he wants to bet for value - just not too much! I suppose AJJx + flush draw is in his range, AQQx on his side would be pretty awful as he"d get to the river betting two streets with no additional draw.
A6 for him still ****s on your range on the river, so whilst raising with it may be a tad thin at no point in the hand have you looked like taking a value line so I"d have no issue with it.
If he was going to bluff why does he not do it for cheaper? There aren"t many (probably zero) hands where you"ll call for $50 but fold for $70. So with strength he might as well jam it in your eye just in case you call.
Also, if he"s bluffing, what is he actually bluffing with? Kx or Qx hearts seems a stretch, 3 streets of air the same. Turning AKxx into a bluff? All seem reasonably unlikely given the action.
I"d summise that A6xx, followed by AJJxhh would make up the bulk of his range in this spot.
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