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AAroddersAA:
An interesting hand.
I believe the size of the preflop raise is fine, no need to make it any nire as people will often fold to the min raise and if they just call you can often take it on the flop. You have also nicely controlled the size of the pot this way.
Once he 3-Bets us we are getting good odds to make the call but I am a bit worried about possible reverse implied odds here. Our hand does not play that well post flop and even if we hit our Ace we are worried about better kickers and if we hit the Jack we are concerned about over pairs.
At this point there is 2300 in the pot so if we want to 4-bet we really have to shove or we can fold. What was his 3-Bet percentage? I am not sure I would want to turn my hand into a bluff at this point in the tournament but given that we have raised from late position, he could be a bit light in the blinds trying to resteal and if he has a pretty high 3-Bet percentage anyway this might be enough to convince me to shove (unless he has AA I am no worse than 2/1 anyway if called). However in most cases I am probably going to fold at this point.
I think once you make the call it is quite hard to put him on a hand but that"s OK as we have a pretty good hand ourselves. I don"t think he has total air but he could be on any pair say 88 and above, and two broadways, a suited ace, suited connectors I think his range is quite wide. Although you would have more info as you are actually at the table of course.
His bet on the flop does not really make his range any smaller as it could be a c-bet to rep the ace.
At this point you have 3900 in the middle and a decent chance of having the best hand. with about 10K behind. You can"t really raise for info here with top pair (because if he shoved on you folding would then be very bad). There is enough in the pot to shove right here and you have a good chance of having the best hand, we could be behind to a better ace of even KK of course but once we have got this far with our hand we can"t fold now. At this point I would shove.
Your line of calling and reassessing on the turn creates a pot of 5500 and you have about 9K behind.
He then leads the turn, neither of his bets have been hugely strong. Both are about half of the pot. At this point if he has a monster (maybe KK) he should be a bit worried about the fact there a 3 diamonds out there and be betting maybe a bit more to protect them. It"s not that likely you have a made flush but you could have one diamond. Also even if you have not a fourth diamond on the river is killing his action anyway.
At the moment I have to try and put him on a hand. Up to this point I think he plays AA or KK like this but I would have expected a bigger bet on the turn , he could still have them just less likely.
AK or AQ are possible as are some smaller aces.
I don"t believe he has a flush but he may have some sort of draw to a flush
I think you are good often enough to get it in here, he can call with worse such as some kind of combo draw or worse ace (maybe) and there is not enough in the pot and you don"t actually want to see another card.
My actions are:-
Pre = Fold to 3-Bet
Flop = Shove (yes there is enough in the pot and yes you can get called by worse)
Turn = Shove (you don"t often get called by worse but it is very hard for him to be able to call and the pot is big enough that he might call with worse due to pot odds)
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Marty719:
I disagree with a lot of this ^^^^
If we 4b pre, I hate shoving. We are only getting called when we are crushed. My standard 4b size is clicking it back plus a little extra. Wouldnt 4b without a good knowledge of his 3b and f/4b stats tho.
Also - think shoving flop is very very much the worst option. I fail to see what worse hands call, or what better hands fold. If we are going to continue on the flop, flatting is better and allowing his air to continue, rather that just allow him to fold 100% of it.
noble1:
if u felt they were beginning to 3bet u light, then add AJ into your 4bet range and reraise to 3200 ish and call any 5bet imho.... otherwise fold to the 3bet... agree with the above as per opening sizing, min is perfectly fine...
Swinebag:
With your image, I think 4 betting pre is best though would not be sure what to do if 5 bet? 4 bet folding seems very ugly so would just call it off though.
As played- happy to let the guy barrel off and hope I"m ahead. Would struggle to fold to the second barrel and having called turn would struggle to fold river.
A tricky hand
I Q8Holds I:
Dont use a HUD :) just watch the tables :O.
Don"t think i can fold to 3bet pre,Im in postion and it"s not much more to call. Hate calling 3bet with aj and if he makes more i would fold.
It did occur to me at the time i might be leveling myself -but it felt people were looking to try and "out play on me" as i was opening the most for sure ;D and people were starting to re act.
On the turn dont you think i can shove to get value from a semi bluff? Hands like ks qd, ah 9d 8s 8d etc etc
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