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Situations?
Santino67:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on September 09, 2011, 12:07:25 PM ---
I wouldn"t worry too much what random muppets do. This really is a standard spot for you but you can"t win them all.
The biggest mistake you can make is using the result to justify folding or calling pre
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Yeah Dean, only wondering if flatting pre would let me get away minimising my loss when I miss my AQ, especially when those 2 hearts hit flop>>>>Would anyone else consider the flat call pre OOP and re-assess on flop or has my play been pretty much standard?
lucasj37:
--- Quote from: Santino67 on September 09, 2011, 12:24:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: deanp27 on September 09, 2011, 12:07:25 PM ---
I wouldn"t worry too much what random muppets do. This really is a standard spot for you but you can"t win them all.
The biggest mistake you can make is using the result to justify folding or calling pre
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Yeah Dean, only wondering if flatting pre would let me get away minimising my loss when I miss my AQ, especially when those 2 hearts hit flop>>>>Would anyone else consider the flat call pre OOP and re-assess on flop or has my play been pretty much standard?
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Dean is 100% correct. This is a standard shove everytime, for reasons he mentioned. Try not to be results orientated.
First situation was also a standard shove. 62% equity way too good to turn down.
MintTrav:
Sorry Grant, but I hate the way you played the first hand. We have an opponent who will definitely double us up when we are really strong and we want to put everything on a gamble against him? AQ is not a huge favourite preflop against ATC.
--- Quote from: AMRN on September 08, 2011, 10:50:54 AM ---
you are a 62/38 favourite if he calls and gets to showdown. I would never pass up this edge in this spot.
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Never? I would, if I was pretty certain that he will get it in when I am 90%+ fav.
As played, yeah go ahead now that we are here but we shouldn"t have got into this situation. Against this player, who raises or reraises every hand preflop and is happy to get all-in with ATC, I am raising virtually no hand, certainly not AQ, as his reraise will mean we are playing for my stack. If we limp pre and call his raise, we will get to the flop for 250/300 and can then decide how to proceed. Obviously we can"t fold on the flop repeatedly with these stack sizes, but we can this time if the flop stinks.
--- Quote from: AMRN on September 08, 2011, 10:50:54 AM ---
raise/folding from a stack of 20x is usually pretty poor.... against a maniac who"s range is ATC, is way too weak and spewy.
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Agreed, so don"t raise.
In summary, against this player, I think we should get to the flop as cheaply as we can unless we have a genuine monster. If we hit the flop, accept the all-in as we are prob a huge favourite. We should be taking advantage of these players, not playing into their hands by giving away our edge and gambling with a hand that is slightly ahead. If we hit one of our high cards and he misses, if he then goes all-in we are a 95% favourite. As he is going to get it in irrespective, I would prefer to do it when I am going to lose 1 time out of 20, rather than 3/4 times out of 10. This is a tournament, not cash, albeit shallow-stacked. If you are happy to lose your stack 3/4 times out of 10 to a player you should be thrashing, I"m not.
The only justification for raising would be to isolate, cos you don"t really want others coming along. There is no mention in the OP of table positions, or whether any other players are still live at any stage, both of which are critical to how you should play this hand.
PS, separate to the situation with this player, I don"t like the raise size to 2.8 BB out of a stack of 20 BB.
TheSnapper:
Santino67:
Glad to see the varied responses above, especially as they"re coming from different angles. Interesting comments about using result to justify the play and not being results orientated. I decided to start this thread specifically to get advice for just those reasons, having watched some tutorials about minimising your loss and analysing hands afterwards. Yeah, on both occasions I got donked by hands I was favourite against and the thought process of the other players is effectively out of my hands.....but learning from you guys is paramount to me improving as a player so many thanks for your input, keep those ideas coming 8)
I"ll also try to post hands where I got it badly badly wrong when the chips go in (regardless of the outcome :D ), again thanks for any replies in advance.
Grant
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