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Live Hand - Circus September 2 dayer
MintTrav:
--- Quote from: AMRN on September 27, 2011, 09:29:58 AM ---
If you really wanted opinions on the Q10, you should have turned the hand round and said that MP and button both shoved.... you find Q10 in the SB..... what should you do? Then gauge the general consensus.
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I hate when people do this. It may be for genuine reasons in this case, but it usually seems to be done in the hope of attracting some adverse comments, which can then be turned to prove to someone else how terribly they played their hand and sucked out.
Tiger-flash:
--- Quote from: MintTrav on September 27, 2011, 19:34:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: AMRN on September 27, 2011, 09:29:58 AM ---
If you really wanted opinions on the Q10, you should have turned the hand round and said that MP and button both shoved.... you find Q10 in the SB..... what should you do? Then gauge the general consensus.
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I hate when people do this. It may be for genuine reasons in this case, but it usually seems to be done in the hope of attracting some adverse comments, which can then be turned to prove to someone else how terribly they played their hand and sucked out.
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Ditto! a pair of sevens? ..... just fold
mousebob:
FWIW I fold 77 in this spot.
Like to get my chips in with fold equity & it is a FT !
Don"t like the SB call though.
jjandellis:
--- Quote from: noble1 on September 27, 2011, 15:19:12 PM ---
First off well done and a big congrats David on final tabling..
Ref - was it a Bad call?
maybe he saw 2 pretty cards and 2/1 and calls..
maybe he read your tank thought as you had something dubious and thus decided to gamble.
if it was me i"d call partly because of the tank and because of risk/award.. all on how everyone else is stack wise and where they would be seated in relation to me.
i have a 31bb approx stack but if i win i KO 2 players ladder up 2 places and increase my stack to approx 50bb, if i lose i will have approx 23bb left. Also if i lose, i only lose those chips to the right, if i win [50bb stack] i maybe able to engineer a totally different FT dynamic.. [all on how the stack sizes are/were seated at the time]
this sort of concept was bought up by gigabet, the gigabet dilemma taking a slight -ev gamble for the future $ev of having the bigger stack.
interesting stuff and a lot of the theory still applies imho..
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4524424&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1
anyhoooos ul David in the end, there wasn"t much else you could do...
regards
noble
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--- Quote from: Honeybadg on September 27, 2011, 17:25:19 PM ---
I think it is a superb call with a view to winning the tournament ... it"s only a bad call if "he" thinks there is some JJ+ out there.
If the hands are:
AK : 35%
77 or underpair : 31%
QTs : 34%
If more likely the case :
A8 : 28%
77 or underpair : 31%
QTs : 41%
Even at the following - no bad value.
JJ : 53%
77 : 19%
QTs : 28%
So flip it round - if you know he had QTs and a big stack - do you shove?
L
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Definitely these 2. Both you and the original shover have a really wide range here...but more importantly what was the payout structure? If its very top heavy then I think its a superb call.If he loses he"s down to c. 367 k (M of 10ish), but if he wins he"s knocked out 2 players and gotten himself a very playable stack of c. 766k.
Obviously that sets him up very nicely to win the lot. Can you remember the prize structure?
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