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Live Hand - European Poker Championships
Honeybadg:
Cheers for thoughts ...
After about 5 mins of thinking I did call ... he mucked .. I scooped a c40k pot to take me well ahead of average ... which was c28k.
My thinking on the hand was as follows:
He has roughly triple the average stack hence a pretty wide range ...
All pairs, All Aces, All broadway hands, maybe more ...
On the flop I am ahead most of the time - hence I should play weakly - with few draws on the board.
Turn is pretty brick like except for 55 or A3 - I think I just have to suffer these hands.
I still think I am ahead - hence happy to remain weak.
River is a Queen - have to say I hated this card - it makes things difficult - however his all in seems weird - could be a super value shove but with c12,400 chips to scope c27,600 in the middle it seems I am winning often enough to make the call and go for the win ...
Half the table stunned - half the table - a chorus of good call.
I thought it was a super interesting hand - it"s not the way I would have played it six months ago but I think it is the right way to play it on occasion vs a large stack ... in looking to gather your own large chip stack ...
In the recent Betfair $35k I played and came second there were a couple of hands like this on the final table where it just felt too likely that people were betting with air - in that event I was in position hence much more comfortable - and only two barrels to call but it probably made the difference between flipping at an eight seated table to cruising into the last three.
As much as I can I want to avoid seeing flipping coins as a neccessity and elect to play in interesting spots where you can make significant gains with marginal hands (vs larger stacks or more aggressive opponents - give them rope).
Thoughts on this strategy, as a variant to more ABC play? +EV?
I am still re-pondering it - might be for years??
L
Waz1892:
Interested in that alot of people are saying CRAI after flop?!
Around 5.5k in the pot at this point and to shove our remaining stack of around 15k odd with just top pair weak kicker?!
Is this to avoid higher cards coming out to making trickey decisions in future streets. How likely are we getting a fold from him esp if he has 2 over cards...
Seem to risky for me...but always willling to know if this is spots I should be holding mine with one hand and shoving with the other!
Being agg is something im keen to do more as it is the way to play...just timing is crucial!
AMRN:
--- Quote from: Waz1892 on September 28, 2011, 18:59:40 PM ---
Interested in that alot of people are saying CRAI after flop?!
Around 5.5k in the pot at this point and to shove our remaining stack of around 15k odd with just top pair weak kicker?!
Is this to avoid higher cards coming out to making trickey decisions in future streets. How likely are we getting a fold from him esp if he has 2 over cards...
Seem to risky for me...but always willling to know if this is spots I should be holding mine with one hand and shoving with the other!
Being agg is something im keen to do more as it is the way to play...just timing is crucial!
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This is a good reason for shoving the flop - we don"t want a fold if he has two overcards.... we want him to make a bad call. If he has an overpair, we have some redraw opportunity. If he has an underpair, he may make a bad call. There are many good reasons for shoving the flop. If he folds to our shove, well at least we protected our holding and took down a reasonable pot
Waz1892:
--- Quote from: AMRN on September 28, 2011, 21:56:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Waz1892 on September 28, 2011, 18:59:40 PM ---
Interested in that alot of people are saying CRAI after flop?!
Around 5.5k in the pot at this point and to shove our remaining stack of around 15k odd with just top pair weak kicker?!
Is this to avoid higher cards coming out to making trickey decisions in future streets. How likely are we getting a fold from him esp if he has 2 over cards...
Seem to risky for me...but always willling to know if this is spots I should be holding mine with one hand and shoving with the other!
Being agg is something im keen to do more as it is the way to play...just timing is crucial!
--- End quote ---
This is a good reason for shoving the flop - we don"t want a fold if he has two overcards.... we want him to make a bad call. If he has an overpair, we have some redraw opportunity. If he has an underpair, he may make a bad call. There are many good reasons for shoving the flop. If he folds to our shove, well at least we protected our holding and took down a reasonable pot
--- End quote ---
valid points (didnt expect anything less from you to be fair!) but im always worried in these spots as it tournie life..and i have an awful kicker and very suspectable to be flipping to overcards....always to seems too risky and better spots exist
im getting better at being braver tho! ;D
AMRN:
--- Quote from: Waz1892 on September 28, 2011, 23:22:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: AMRN on September 28, 2011, 21:56:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Waz1892 on September 28, 2011, 18:59:40 PM ---
Interested in that alot of people are saying CRAI after flop?!
Around 5.5k in the pot at this point and to shove our remaining stack of around 15k odd with just top pair weak kicker?!
Is this to avoid higher cards coming out to making trickey decisions in future streets. How likely are we getting a fold from him esp if he has 2 over cards...
Seem to risky for me...but always willling to know if this is spots I should be holding mine with one hand and shoving with the other!
Being agg is something im keen to do more as it is the way to play...just timing is crucial!
--- End quote ---
This is a good reason for shoving the flop - we don"t want a fold if he has two overcards.... we want him to make a bad call. If he has an overpair, we have some redraw opportunity. If he has an underpair, he may make a bad call. There are many good reasons for shoving the flop. If he folds to our shove, well at least we protected our holding and took down a reasonable pot
--- End quote ---
valid points (didnt expect anything less from you to be fair!) but im always worried in these spots as it tournie life..and i have an awful kicker and very suspectable to be flipping to overcards....always to seems too risky and better spots exist
im getting better at being braver tho! ;D
--- End quote ---
"tourney life" is sometime over-rated imo, and consideration to it can lead to poor -ev decisions
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