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Season 6 Discussion
nosey-p:
Live
Everything has already been said, Stay at £75/£100, Stay at DTD for worlds (but will clash with the Goliath) can the date be changed? Does it have to be on a bank holiday? If I remember right, the first time we was there, the 2 day ones was on the Friday and Saturday which both sold out. No dinner break (to finish earlier on the Saturday) Venues (go to who will have us) it would be good to spread the venues around the country but we have to go with who will cater for is in terms of dates and capacity. Would be good to have the team event (or any event) in the centre of the country in terms of transport (Leeds/Sheffield) Pro-am not bothered either way with this but if you keep it, should be in London. Same with overseas, as long as it does not take away from UK based games then have as many as you want.
Online League
This seems to be were the biggest change as to be. As it is its not working (just look at the fall in numbers and the arguments it has coursed). I suggested a county league in the season 5 discussion thread and I see it has been brought up in this year's thread, for me this is the way forward. How the league would work is up for discussion (1/2 leagues, length, points, prizes etc)
Online
I don't know how successful this has been as I have not played them but I would like to suggest that we scrap the $50 game. APAT is all about the AMATURE player and $50 is above most people's buy-in range for an online game (thinking of new players to the game). How about an individual league? $5/$10 buy-in, 1 game every 2 weeks (does not have to be on a Sunday) can be mixed games NLH/PLO/6 SEAT/ STUD etc but most games would have to be NLH as this is what most people play. 1 big prize (WSOP package/ EPT package) to keep the interest going have a playoff, top 30 play for say 5 prizes UKIPT/DTD £300 and so on). The prizes are dependent on what sponsorship we have, and I'm not talking about $10,000 WSOP but a $1500/$2000 game with travel. Will expand on this if any interest is shown
AceOnTheRiver:
Ok Firstly... There"s Gonna be a season 6 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Now that"s out of my system a few points to hopefully enhance a great product.
- It sounds like scheduling is well under way but please take on board Alan"s earlier comments that in 2011 if you wanted to pay £75 for a Regular APAT National in the UK there is no individual event for you post the World"s in August (Sep - Ireland, Oct - Team Event, Nov - Vegas, Dec - ProAm, Jan - Czech Rep). A big chunk of the year with none of the core APAT product IMO
- In a similar vein (and I know you can"t always control this) plenty of notice for the first National of the season. I missed Coventry this year for this reason and I know a few missed Swansea last year for the same
- I agree with Phil about Sundays for the National onlines, sorry Steve. If it can be done and the sponsors are happy, then I would suggest a simple voting thread on Saturday vs. Sunday
- I love European events. Very personal biased view and completely get the counter argument but for me 2 p.a. is ideal
- Worlds @ DTD over August Bank Holiday. It"s established. It works. It"s the Dogs! Keep it.
- I think I am stating the obvious and the powers that be are already on this but most would like more standard UK Nationals than we have had this year
- Online League. It"s great that so many care so much to envoke such debate but a shame that it"s had a greater share of voice than anything else as I"ve heard a few say "if it doesn"t work get rid of it" yet we would not say that about the APAT Nationals. Should it be put onto a separate thread?
FWIW by points on the debate
- Shortened seasons may work but 3 x 6 weeks is too short imho. Is there a way of splitting the leagues mid-season so that those in the bottom half have something to play for and keep the interest going- a sort of Cup / Plate concept?
- Not sure about the Super Regional Idea - If you are in Liverpool or London or Dingwall then it"s obvious who to play for but for some it"s less obvious. Eg I am from Northampton, is that East, East Mids or South East. You could also be breaking up established groups
Thank You APAT & Keep it Up!
Robbiebox:
Here is my tuppence worth :
Live
- Countries & Venues ~ It seems to me that the more central the venue the quicker it sells (Aberdeen and Cork sold especially slowly). APAT is under competition from many similar good tourneys these days and sticking to more central venues would be a wise move. I don"t think Yorkshire has ever held an APAT and Leeds (ALEA esp.) & Sheffield have some nice rooms.
European venues just don"t seem worth it for a £75 comp TBH, but a little mini-festival might make it worthwhile. Somewhere with sunshine --> Spain at Easter/Whit would suit me, why go to Spain in Jan ???.
- Structure ~ It has been tweaked and tweaked and is as good as you can get for a two day event now. Would like to see the games start earlier on both days if venue can accomodate, I know there are dealer issues on this but other tours manage it. This would allow for Saturday to play to the money and more chance to enjoy local establishments before closing time, also allows for people to get home earlier on the Sunday night.
- Buy in ~ I personally would prefer slightly higher, but agree current £75/£100/£50 is democratic choice.
- Pay structure~ This years adopted structure is way better.
- Added value ~ Whatever you can get is good, but reg free must stay number one priority for everyone to benefit.
- Trophies / medals ~ Please keep these, they are a great talking point beforehand and for the cost must be a very effective promotion tool.
- Rules ~ APAT's early years had this as a clear focus so lets get back to setting standards. I would like to see the rules on showdown/betting out of turn/verbal "raise" or "raise to" clarified, sorry to all you laid back players this is just the nit in me.
- WCOAP ~ DTD everytime as all have said. The STUD event only sold half the seats and it would be good to put a more popular event on the Thursday (say 6 max) or maybe put in a PLO8 or 8 game tourney.
- Streaming ~ Much better to watch if you can get that RDIF table that shows hole cards, although this would kick up a fuss over fairness. If an expense has to go, then sadly this is probably near the top.
- Live updates ~ The At a Glance page was great.
- Post event reports ~ Fine
- Photo galleries ~ Fine, altough would like to see one gallery that links pics to names.
- Team events ~ I enjoy the social side of these, and think they suit several short MTTs or STTs rather than a single MTT where people can be out early and not really involved for the rest of the w/end. Also I have a suggestion for one to back the online series (see online section below)
- Side events ~ Never played one, but they seem popular. Is there room for a 9pm one on the Saturday to get more varieties in the schedule ??
- Formats, ie reentry, rebuys, etc~ There is a place for these, but not in oversold APAT events aimed at amateur players.
- Guarantees ~ Not really needed imo
- Schedule, ie is one event a month right, etc ~ maybe too many in this increasingly competitive buy-in range.
Online
- Sponsors, one / multiple ~ I am happy with many if it means better deals, but I would imagine many dont want to be downloading and depositing into many different sites. So one big sole sponsor is probably best ~ Genting are going great in the UK live scene and would be good sponsor in the current climate.
- Online Championship ~ Fine, but Sundays are Poker night.....get them moved, everyone gives up so many Saturday nights already with the live games.
- Online side events ~ Fine, although would prefer a variety of games rater than PLO everytime.
- Online national league~ OK lets get started : DITCH the UNFAIR NUMBER DEPENDENT LEAGUE FORMAT ! This format loses way more members than it brings in.
Genting have run a few live team events that have followed an online league. They were in teams of 4 or 6 and the points you got in the league then were used to create your starting stack at the live event. This would mean APATers would create there own team bringing in new players to the APAT fold and nearly everyone would stay the distance as every event would be important towards your live starting stack.
- Online buy ins ~ $10 or $5 is probably best to attract the most. If a team format as suggested was to be taken onboard then there would need to be some thought over funding the live game prize pool. Say $5+2, with the $2 going towards the live final pool.
Bloody hell, that took the whole of the second half of the rugby...time to stop...kids are starting "we"re bored"
Fatcatstu:
--- Quote from: Robbiebox on October 16, 2011, 11:18:11 AM ---
Somewhere with sunshine --> Spain at Easter/Whit would suit me, why go to Spain in Jan ???.
--- End quote ---
spain in january was bloody lovely actually!
duke3016:
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on October 16, 2011, 11:36:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: Robbiebox on October 16, 2011, 11:18:11 AM ---
Somewhere with sunshine --> Spain at Easter/Whit would suit me, why go to Spain in Jan ???.
--- End quote ---
spain in january was bloody lovely actually!
--- End quote ---
Yep - No crowds and lovely weather.....
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