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deanp27:

--- Quote from: ronaldo07 on October 26, 2011, 14:35:15 PM ---
Well if those % are correct which they prob are then 3 bet calling/folding are a mistake and it"s a push/fold pre so I guess I would fold pre.

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I"m not one for rules but I don"t think I would be 3b/folding anything out of a sub 25bb stack with antes in play.

Jon MW:

--- Quote from: deanp27 on October 26, 2011, 13:07:21 PM ---
I would suggest that open folding>3bet/folding.

But I don"t like folding

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open folding>3bet/folding, but you can"t fold pre with that hand and that stack size.

TheSnapper:
We can bet 5k so as to...

Fold when he jams.

We will burn our equity (33%-48%) and sometimes (however rarely) fold a dominating hand.

We are gonna have the right price to call so folding is a mistake.

Induce and never ever fold.

It's debateable whether or not this encourages villain to get it in with many more hands than he would call our jam with. Lets assume he calls the jam with..

QQ+,AKs,AKo  versus this calling range...

Villain folds 78% when we 3b.
We have 36% equity when called.
Our EV is +3820 chips.
We exit the tourney 14%

So we induce him to get it in with a wider range..

TT+,88-66,AJs+,AJo+  versus this calling range...

Villain folds 37% when we 3b.
We have 48% equity when called.
Our EV is +5850 chips.
We exit the tourney 33%

If you consider that you have an edge over the field, which is hard to gauge and usually overstated, then you probably should take the lower variance option since your tourney life and stack equity have more value.


Marty719:

--- Quote from: TheSnapper on October 26, 2011, 15:29:44 PM ---
We can bet 5k so as to...

Fold when he jams.

We will burn our equity (33%-48%) and sometimes (however rarely) fold a dominating hand.

We are gonna have the right price to call so folding is a mistake.

Induce and never ever fold.

It's debateable whether or not this encourages villain to get it in with many more hands than he would call our jam with. Lets assume he calls the jam with..

QQ+,AKs,AKo  versus this calling range...

Villain folds 78% when we 3b.
We have 36% equity when called.
Our EV is +3820 chips.
We exit the tourney 14%

So we induce him to get it in with a wider range..

TT+,88-66,AJs+,AJo+  versus this calling range...

Villain folds 37% when we 3b.
We have 48% equity when called.
Our EV is +5850 chips.
We exit the tourney 33%

If you consider that you have an edge over the field, which is hard to gauge and usually overstated, then you probably should take the lower variance option since your tourney life and stack equity have more value.




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Im getting bored of saying "Great post Brendan," but...

noble1:



model for when villain folds approx 75% with 3 PLAYERS YET TO ACT BEHIND who call 3.5% of the time!!!!  

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