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Hand from the team event.
PHIL_TC:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on October 31, 2011, 14:34:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: AMRN on October 30, 2011, 17:43:05 PM ---
The thread was def going into a Hellmuth bash though,
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Would appear your concerns are vindicated :(
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Not from me Brendan... total respect for the guy for his results.. just using my googling skills to find the video Will referred to x
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on October 31, 2011, 14:53:49 PM ---
Not from me Brendan... total respect for the guy for his results.. just using my googling skills to find the video Will referred to x
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Aiding and abetting Phil? ;D ;D
PHIL_TC:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on October 31, 2011, 16:26:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on October 31, 2011, 14:53:49 PM ---
Not from me Brendan... total respect for the guy for his results.. just using my googling skills to find the video Will referred to x
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Aiding and abetting Phil? ;D ;D
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;D Aiding for sure..... I"m too much of a nit for any betting though ;D
noble1:
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on October 31, 2011, 12:42:09 PM ---
Something similar if memory serves but can"t find a clip of a hand. Liv Boeree and some guy something like Piceci? at the San Remo EPT final table 2010 which Liv went onto win.
Went something like Piceci raise, Liv 3 bet and Piceci flat calls with pocket 6"s for like a third of his stack with around 20BB starting stack.
Flop comes 69T and a snap call of Liv"s all in with AK. Liv couldnt believe that he"d just flatted for a 3rd of his stack set mining..
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in your video the commentator refers to the no ace or king strategy, whether right or wrong i leave that for u guys to decide if its GTO or if there are situations to be creative/different :)... its a stategy used for nitty opponents with tight 3bet ranges, rather than pushing pre and letting the nit see all 5 cards with the AK part of there 3bet range [thats what AK ideally wants, as it misses 2/3"s of flops] so the hero will flat and depending on there position will shove non AK flops OOP unless they hit a set :) and call jams or shove non AK flops to checks, whatever the action of there opponent when IP [unless they hit a set :)]
the idea behind it is that you are not forcing the race pre-flop, you are only pushing when you met be most likely ahead...
you are pretty much doomed if your opponent has AA or KK anyway, so it"s just which way is better? if we decide we are not folding 66 pre, which is the best way to play, do we go all in or flat call?
thats the jist of the strat. i"ll spare u all the maths behind it ;D
PHIL_TC:
I"m guessing mathematically its correct to do the stop and go with the 6"s? but only against one person i.e. in a heads up on the flop situation? Its not a move I"ve seen a great deal of though in APATs MTTs I"ve played in, see it a lot in SnG"s online though.
In the Phil Hellmuth clip though by the sounds of it the guy who 3-Bet his raise pre had some history with Phil and I just get the feeling the call and all in shove was a little tilty based on some previous, might be wrong though and PH might be employing a stop and go strategy although it doesnt feel like that to me.
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