Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: BOINGBLITZ on November 17, 2011, 22:59:23 PM
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What is the rule on this?
Can a player who is at the table, but not involved in the hand, comment on such things as what cards people may or may not have while the hand is still being played out?
If not, what are the penalties if this does happen?
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General chat fine Brian, but very bad etiquette to be in any way involved in the hand being played. Punishment? Not sure if it would be house rules or TD to sort out. I"d certainly be speaking up at the table if it happened in front of me. Annoys me that it seems to be more common online and not really anyway to stop it at the time. I"ve even witnessed people saying stuff like "complete bluff" and "call him" in chat boxes when they"ve had no part in the hand. Pretty shocking mate.
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Rule 21 of the APAT NA Championship in Vegas..........
21. Players, whether in the hand or not, may not discuss the hands until the action is complete. Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities are not allowed. A penalty may be given for discussion of hands during the play.
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Rule 21 of the APAT NA Championship in Vegas..........
21. Players, whether in the hand or not, may not discuss the hands until the action is complete. Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities are not allowed. A penalty may be given for discussion of hands during the play.
Was i foul of this then when i mentioned the "we have the same hand" at the APAT Team comp?
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Rule 21 of the APAT NA Championship in Vegas..........
21. Players, whether in the hand or not, may not discuss the hands until the action is complete. Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities are not allowed. A penalty may be given for discussion of hands during the play.
Was i foul of this then when i mentioned the "we have the same hand" at the APAT Team comp?
Generally, the rules relaxes and those left in the hand are allowed to discuss when the hand reaches headsup
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Rule 21 of the APAT NA Championship in Vegas..........
21. Players, whether in the hand or not, may not discuss the hands until the action is complete. Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities are not allowed. A penalty may be given for discussion of hands during the play.
Was i foul of this then when i mentioned the "we have the same hand" at the APAT Team comp?
Generally, the rules relaxes and those left in the hand are allowed to discuss when the hand reaches headsup
+1 , I didn"t fall for it anyway :D
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In the hand is not a problem IMO....dont think that people not involved in the hand should make comments though..
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Rule 21 of the APAT NA Championship in Vegas..........
21. Players, whether in the hand or not, may not discuss the hands until the action is complete. Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities are not allowed. A penalty may be given for discussion of hands during the play.
i played in $110 tourney after being k/o of main event at caesars on sat night, 3 of us left i was massive chip leader & spanish guy wanted to chop i refused to chop but the problem came after i lost a large pot to him as he had agreed to split with richard baker who was smallest stack pre that hand , blinds 6000/12000 on button i called with kj richard went to raise & spanish guy said be careful to him twice richard ignored him & raised 40000 he called i folded he had qq i complained to dealer but got no satisfaction called for the t/d whom i explained about the chop etc he told me that saying be careful twice to a player you have agreed to chop with as he about to raise was not wrong as hed did not say dont raise it was ok and fair play to richard he told the t/d that spanish guy tried to influence him not to raise as there would be less to chop but t/d still ignored it and when i knocked chips my over & told him to stick his tournament where the sun dont shine he was quick enough to warn me that if i refused to play i would not even get 3rd place prize money $612 so much for fair play at caesars palace
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I thought you couldn"t chop unless all parties agreed. 2 out of 3 agreeing a chop looks like collusion to me and is surely something Caesars wouldn"t sanction - or am I wrong?
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I thought you couldn"t chop unless all parties agreed. 2 out of 3 agreeing a chop looks like collusion to me and is surely something Caesars wouldn"t sanction - or am I wrong?
Not sure about that - clearly a tournament cannot be ended with a chop unless all players agree..... but as for two players agreeing to chop their own prizes, I don"t think that"s an issue. Many a time I"ve gone for a night out to play a tournament with a mate, and we"ve agreed to take 50% of each other..... that"s just the same as the Spaniard and Richard agreeing a 50/50 split, although the timing is just a little different.
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Still think it"s dodgy, changes the whole dynamic of the game (whether intentional or not)
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Blatant collusion. Course u can"t chop without everyone agreeing. Shocking!
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How can you deal 3 handed if 1 player says no??
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Blatant collusion. Course u can"t chop without everyone agreeing. Shocking!
And if two players agree to a 50/50 chop of their profits before tourney starts? Is that ok? An if it is, they how is it different if they make that deal after the tourney starts?
(just playing devil"s advocate - I would hate it if two people made a deal three handed like this)
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Blatant collusion. Course u can"t chop without everyone agreeing. Shocking!
And if two players agree to a 50/50 chop of their profits before tourney starts? Is that ok? An if it is, they how is it different if they make that deal after the tourney starts?
(just playing devil"s advocate - I would hate it if two people made a deal three handed like this)
i did not have a problem over them chopping the problem i had was that because he only said be careful twice to richard was not deemed as collusion by the t/d but he was quick enough to warn me when i threw in my chips with disgust that if i walked away i would not get 3rd place prize money to my mind caesars condone cheating
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Not a chop as such, but when the APAT Champion of Champions was three-handed, two of the players agreed to take a percentage of each other if either of them won the 20k prize.
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Blatant collusion. Course u can"t chop without everyone agreeing. Shocking!
And if two players agree to a 50/50 chop of their profits before tourney starts? Is that ok? An if it is, they how is it different if they make that deal after the tourney starts?
(just playing devil"s advocate - I would hate it if two people made a deal three handed like this)
If you had done this beforehand I am pretty sure you wouldn"t be advertising this fact at the table when 3 handed. Personally I swap like 10% with a mate but not 50
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rule 21 is now enforced much more in Caesars and Venetian (including when HU). Other places are more relaxed about it.
I heard of one APAT player getting a 2 orbit penalty for saying "will you show if I fold?" when dwelling on a call HU.
I was also told by the TD at Caesars that if you answer a question like this you will also be subject to a penalty.
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saw someone get an orbit penalty for talking at the table at the Aria, was glad too as he was banging on about hands constantly!!
there was a few polite reminders on the APAT final table in vegas, however they were fairly relaxed with us all in general i thought.
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I was refering to the normal Ceasars tourney, didn"t last long enough in the APAT tourney to be in a position to comment. :-[