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Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: pokerpops on February 06, 2012, 12:33:24 PM
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Final Table of £50 at DTD, 6 remain - yes, be surprised!
220 entries, 10k starting stack,
£3575 for 1st
£2090
£1254
£880
£660
£495
I have c 450,000 CL has closer to 600,000
10000/20000/1000
SB (Tina Bandyle, who I now discover is a serial casher) is short stacked and has taken to shoving into my BB in every unopened pot. I folded and showed an A the first time (A rag off), this may have been a mistake in that it may have given her licence to repeat the process. Second time I had pure rubbish, this is the third time in succession...
Range to call? She has just under 100,000
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Folding a high is a mistake imo. Would be calling any pair and probs q7+
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Any pair, any ace, K10+ for me.
I may tighten that range up a bit dependent on average stack, becomes more difficult when there are a lot of short stacks on the table.
Assume average stack was prob 15 bigs?
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Folding a high is a mistake imo. Would be calling any pair and probs q7+
I thought that just after I"d done it, then, when she did it the second time I thought it even more
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Folding a high is a mistake imo. Would be calling any pair and probs q7+
^This
It"s not going to be too damaging to our stack. Impossible to get a read if it"s the third time on a row, but got to imagine it"s ATC. Any queen or higher is probably going to mean you are ahead, but at worst case, you"d want to have live cards.
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i"d call as wide as -
Ax+,Kx+,Q3s+,Q7o+,J7s+,J9o+,T8s+,22+
if i thought that they were capable of pushing 65%+ then i"d widen even more tbh to -J2s+,J5o+,T2s+,T6o+,95s+,97o+,86s+,76s
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5 bigs. I think it might be easier to post my folding range here
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Any Ace any PP KQ KJ
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Ax k5+ q7+ any pair TJ etc.
Filing ace hi was probably bad, showing it is worse lol
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Ax k5+ q7+ any pair TJ etc.
Filing ace hi was probably bad, showing it is worse lol
:-[
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Ax k5+ q7+ any pair TJ etc.
Filing ace hi was probably bad, showing it is worse lol
I meant folding not filing, iPhones FTL
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Am calling pretty with pretty much any picture card here. Certainly never folding an ace, and definately not showing her I have done it, you might as well just pass her your bb every time after that as she should be smashing you to pieces
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tbh - I misjudged the player in question, made a stereotyped assumption about her range to shove, and it was only when she did it again that it dawned on me that I"d got it wrong.
It"s interesting that the ranges for calling suggested here range from
Any pair, any ace, K10+ for me.
I may tighten that range up a bit dependent on average stack, becomes more difficult when there are a lot of short stacks on the table.
Assume average stack was prob 15 bigs?
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i"d call as wide as -
Ax+,Kx+,Q3s+,Q7o+,J7s+,J9o+,T8s+,22+
if i thought that they were capable of pushing 65%+ then i"d widen even more tbh to -J2s+,J5o+,T2s+,T6o+,95s+,97o+,86s+,76s
I"m pretty ok with my shoving ranges, but I haven"t had as much practice on calling ranges...
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Assume average stack was prob 15 bigs?
I don"t see how that"s relevant btw
If there are a few stacks with only 2 or 3 blinds then it"s perfectly sound ICM to ladder - but the average stack is neither here nor there
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Did she have "flutter her eyelashes" and "don"twanthertogetknockedoutcosshe"sfit" equity?
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I"m pretty ok with my shoving ranges, but I haven"t had as much practice on calling ranges...
I hear ya.
If you shove, you only need to win the hand on the occasions that you are called..... if you call, you need to win the hand most of the time (every time?)..... (unless of course, you are a huge stack and can afford to take the hit without if impacting your stack. Her 100k can knock a fair hole in your stack - that should have a reasonable impact on your calling range.)
That said though, per OP, I"m never folding an Ace, and probably not a K either, and will call as low as any suited queen, or any pair above say 66.
Your calling range will also impacted by the size of the other stacks, the timing on the clock, the prize ladder, etc.
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Did she have "flutter her eyelashes" and "don"twanthertogetknockedoutcosshe"sfit" equity?
showing this some love :)
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Did she have "flutter her eyelashes" and "don"twanthertogetknockedoutcosshe"sfit" equity?
showing this some love :)
At my age...
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6 remain - I have c 450,000 CL has closer to 600,000
10000/20000/1000
Range to call? She has just under 100,000
on what steve said above -
making a call which u might think at the time maybe a -EV move can be ok sometimes David, when a short-stack SB pushes into your BB and the impact of losing 5BB"s from your stack wont effect you to much because every1 else is relatively short OR in terms of stack size to everyone else at the table your position/stack wont change to much then call fairly wide imho.... ICM is a useful tool to analyse spots like this, but sometimes u have to ignore it and use a little bit of logic and accept that a likely 30-60% flip might be beneficial to u.... sometimes there are valid reasons for what u might think is a -EV call :)
Did she have "flutter her eyelashes" and "don"twanthertogetknockedoutcosshe"sfit" equity?
showing this some love :)
At my age...
if u fold will it increase your sugar daddy equity?