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Poker Forum => Online Archive => Online Poker => National Online League => Topic started by: Des on February 15, 2012, 20:08:17 PM
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APAT Season Six will see the the introduction of two 15 Match National Online Leagues. Details of the first follows:-
APAT Presents The PokerStars.com National Online League
In line with our policy to place APAT tournament properties with multiple operators in Season Six, APAT is delighted to announce that PokerStars.com will headline sponsor the APAT National Online League, starting on Sunday night March 11th and running for 15 consecutive weeks, finishing on June 17th.
The password to play is apatmember.
(http://www.apat.com/images/s6/event_ad_vertical_online.jpg)
All matches will feature a $10 + $1 buy in and start at 7pm, with a 1 hour late registration. The structure will offer a 15 minute clock and a 5,000 chip starting stack to allow for lots of play.
Competing Regions
In a change of format, APAT members will compete in one of thirteen regionally based teams in the PokerStars.com National Online League. Formatting the teams in this way will allow for a more even distribution of players across teams, who will all compete in the Premier Division of the PokerStars.com National Online League.
The regional teams and geographical boundaries are as follows:-
South West
South East
London
East of England
East Midlands
Europe
West Midlands
Wales
Yorkshire
North West
North East
Scotland
Ireland
(http://www.apat.com/s6/apat_regional_map.jpg)
Players will be able to play for the Region that they currently reside in OR the Region of their birth. Once a player joins a Region, no further change will be allowed during the League.
Regional Team Captains
Applications are encouraged from players; particularly existing APAT Poker Club Captains, for the position of Regional Team Captain. Please see the Captain"s thread (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=10354.0).
Prizes
Prizes will be allocated based on both team and individual performance.
Team:
The three best performing members of the winning team will be awarded a PokerStars.com UKIPT seat each.
The three best performing members of the runner up team will be awarded a $215 PokerStars Sunday Million entry each.
The three best performing members of the third placed team will be awarded a $109 PokerStars Sunday Kickoff entry each.
Individual:
The best performing individual player will be awarded a PokerStars.com UKIPT seat.
The runner up individual player will be awarded a $215 PokerStars Sunday Million entry.
The third placed individual player will be awarded a $109 PokerStars Sunday Kickoff entry.
In addition; and for the first time, the top 18 finishing individual players will be awarded APAT Ranking Points, with 18 points going to the first placed individual and 1 point going to the eighteenth placed finisher.
Finally, the best finishing English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish player will be assured of a squad place with their National Team at the fifth annual World Championship Of Amateur Poker. National Team captains will have responsibility for selecting which of their players play each phase of the World Amateur Team Championship.
Matchday Points Allocation
Individual points will be allocated to the top eighteen finishing players at each match. The individual points will be allocated as follows :-
1st = 25pts
2nd = 22pts
3rd = 20pts
4th = 18pts
5th = 16pts
6th = 14pts
7th = 12pts
8th = 11pts
9th = 10pts
10th-12th = 9pts
13th-15th = 6pts
16th-18th = 3pts
A maximum of four players per region can score individual points in any one match for calculating team matchday points. Should five players reach points scoring positions, the lowest of those points scorers will receive 0 individual points, and individual points will be allocated to the next best finisher. In this example, the player finishing in 19th position would receive 3 individual points for for the purposes of deciding matchday team points.
Individual points will be totalled for every match and the region finishing with the most individual points will receive 5 match points. The region finishing with the second most individual points will receive 4 match points. The region finishing with the third most individual points will receive 3 match points. The region finishing with the fourth most individual points will receive 2 match points. The region finishing with the fifth most individual points will receive 1 match point. No other clubs will score match points.
Where regions finish with an equal number of individual points, match point allocation will be sorted in the following order: a) The region who has the most individual points scorers will be deemed to finish ahead. Should this not separate the regions, b) The region who has the highest single individual points scorer will be deemed to finish ahead.
Signing Up To PokerStars
To compete in the PokerStars.com National Online League, players will require a PokerStars account and player id. APAT will receive a credit from PokerStars.com for every player who signs up via the APAT & PokerStars banners. So please click through to create an account via the PokerStars banners on this page.
Register For A Free APAT Membership (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?action=register)
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Please feel free to post your thoughts or questions in this thread.
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Get. In.
(oh, and first :P)
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Booooooooom, sounds great!!
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Super, Smashing, Great!
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Gerrin!!!
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How do you link an existing Stars Account.
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How do you link an existing Stars Account.
That won"t be possible. However encourage your wife or friends to sign up and play and that will more than compensate.
We will shortly be requesting all PokerStars ids to ensure they are linked to the Regional Teams.
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So happy. 5k and 15 min clock looks great.
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Looks good - with all those pokerstars links to live games appearing it HAD to be pokerstars. YAY.
On first read through I"m confused by the term "Individual Points" used in the Matchday Points Allocation section. If this were replaced throughout the section with "Team Points" it would all make sense. There is an "Individual" sub-section within the prizes section so the word "Individual" is conflicting.
E.g. if I am the fifth scoring player for my team, I"d expect to score points towards my individual score, but none towards my team score. The way it reads right now it says
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Matchday Points Allocation
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A maximum of four players per region can score individual points in any one match for calculating team matchday points. Should five players reach points scoring positions, the lowest of those points scorers will receive 0 individual points, and individual points will be allocated to the next best finisher. In this example, the player finishing in 19th position would receive 3 individual points for for the purposes of deciding matchday team points.
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Whilst I"m sure I know what you mean, I think for clarity points that individuals gain for their team should be called Team Points, not "individual points...for calculating team matchday points".
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Looks good - with all those pokerstars links to live games appearing it HAD to be pokerstars. YAY.
On first read through I"m confused by the term "Individual Points" used in the Matchday Points Allocation section. If this were replaced throughout the section with "Team Points" it would all make sense. There is an "Individual" sub-section within the prizes section so the word "Individual" is conflicting.
E.g. if I am the fifth scoring player for my team, I"d expect to score points towards my individual score, but none towards my team score. The way it reads right now it says
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Matchday Points Allocation
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A maximum of four players per region can score individual points in any one match for calculating team matchday points. Should five players reach points scoring positions, the lowest of those points scorers will receive 0 individual points, and individual points will be allocated to the next best finisher. In this example, the player finishing in 19th position would receive 3 individual points for for the purposes of deciding matchday team points.
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Whilst I"m sure I know what you mean, I think for clarity points that individuals gain for their team should be called Team Points, not "individual points...for calculating team matchday points".
Thanks for the feedback Andy, I"ll run through to ensure the terminology is clearer.
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Looks good to me I"ll defo be playing.
WP APAT
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Nice one ;D
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Stars and a Scotland team = perfection. Wp apat
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looks excellent at first look..... well done you guys at APAT ;)
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Nice one Des.
Not sure what difference between "London & Home Counties" and "South East" is as, to my mind, they"re the same. Where would be in the 2nd that isn"t in the first?
Perhaps "London" and "South East exc London"?
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"That won"t be possible. However encourage your wife or friends to sign up and play and that will more than compensate."
How would that work then for winning a UKIPT seat in your wifes name?
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Call me stupid........
(feel free)
But can i not use my existing pokerstars account?
I can just sign in and play yes?
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Call me stupid........
(feel free)
But can i not use my existing pokerstars account?
I can just sign in and play yes?
Yes, u will be able to play using that. APAT will ask for ID"s in the future to allocate points
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"That won"t be possible. However encourage your wife or friends to sign up and play and that will more than compensate."
How would that work then for winning a UKIPT seat in your wifes name?
Encourage them to sign up and play NOT play in their name....
If your wife"s account won the UKIPT seat, she"s playing it
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Nice one Des.
Not sure what difference between "London & Home Counties" and "South East" is as, to my mind, they"re the same. Where would be in the 2nd that isn"t in the first?
Perhaps "London" and "South East exc London"?
Thanks Andrew.
Anything "under" London (outside the home counties), stretching from Southampton to the East coast. We are not going to tie players to the boundaries of their Regions, but they will not be able to change during the season once they commit to a team. We expect a large number of people to be able to clearly establish which of the regions they will fall into.
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in the style of the Rock...
"FINALLY, APAT HAS COME BACK TO POKERSTARS"
Quite simply the best news in ages...
WP APAT
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Doh, Sorry, I read Des's post as you would have to play on a new account to play with APAT.
forgive senility sneaking up..........
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in the style of the Rock...
"FINALLY, APAT HAS COME BACK TO POKERSTARS"
Quite simply the best news in ages...
WP APAT
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Good work guys. Having this on Pokerstars is a HUGE plus.
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Fantastic arrangement, albeit with a lil sad token to lose Luton Poker Club
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Thanks...Des, let me know when you want my name...All this is new to me...I"m in the middle of london....So i suppose I am in the london gang....
That much I know!
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Fantastic arrangement, albeit with a lil sad token to lose Luton Poker Club
The majority of the fundamentals haven"t changed, it"s just the name :)
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Is the starting stack and blinds a bit on the deep side?
What time would you expect the games to finish?
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Is the starting stack and blinds a bit on the deep side?
Yes, and I love it! :D
Didn"t play a single matchday last year but will 100% try to make it to every single one of these.
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sounds good....can anyone play in this league?
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Fantastic arrangement, albeit with a lil sad token to lose Luton Poker Club
+1 :)
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sounds good....can anyone play in this league?
Absolutely, you have an account on APAT so put your name in the relevant Regional thread in the next day or two and you"re good to go.
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Great job Des. Another example of APAT listening to it"s members feedback and making changes accordingly.
The old leagues were promoting a lot of negative talk on the forum a while back and for me this new improved version will only invoke positive vibes. (even if Brendan still thinks the points system is flawed ;) )
Now......, Scotland or Yorkshire? ???
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Great job Des. Another example of APAT listening to it"s members feedback and making changes accordingly.
The old leagues were promoting a lot of negative talk on the forum a while back and for me this new improved version will only invoke positive vibes. (even if Brendan still thinks the points system is flawed ;) )
Now......, Scotland or Yorkshire? ???
Scotland FTW you know u want to stuart !!!
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sounds good....can anyone play in this league?
Absolutely, you have an account on APAT so put your name in the relevant Regional thread in the next day or two and you"re good to go.
nice one....where do I find the regional threads?......maybe being stupid!!....new to site and all that!!
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Just fantastic. WD APAT over the moon with the news.
North East FTW x
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sounds good....can anyone play in this league?
Absolutely, you have an account on APAT so put your name in the relevant Regional thread in the next day or two and you"re good to go.
nice one....where do I find the regional threads?......maybe being stupid!!....new to site and all that!!
I"m creating the Regional threads right now, they will start to appear throughout the next 30 minutes.
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sounds good....can anyone play in this league?
Absolutely, you have an account on APAT so put your name in the relevant Regional thread in the next day or two and you"re good to go.
nice one....where do I find the regional threads?......maybe being stupid!!....new to site and all that!!
I"m creating the Regional threads right now, they will start to appear throughout the next 30 minutes.
ok gotcha........can u choose which team u are in??.....Im from Brighton but live in Slough so how does that work?
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sounds good....can anyone play in this league?
Absolutely, you have an account on APAT so put your name in the relevant Regional thread in the next day or two and you"re good to go.
nice one....where do I find the regional threads?......maybe being stupid!!....new to site and all that!!
I"m creating the Regional threads right now, they will start to appear throughout the next 30 minutes.
ok gotcha........can u choose which team u are in??.....Im from Brighton but live in Slough so how does that work?
Choose one, once you"ve committed you are then tied to that Region for the season.
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Im quite excited, i may even play when Im meant to be working......How very daring of me?!!!
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Great job Des. Another example of APAT listening to it"s members feedback and making changes accordingly.
The old leagues were promoting a lot of negative talk on the forum a while back and for me this new improved version will only invoke positive vibes. (even if Brendan still thinks the points system is flawed ;) )
Now......, Scotland or Yorkshire? ???
No brainer... come to the champions team. hehe.
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can i be the 1st to congratulate Dan Owston on winning The best performing individual player ;D
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can i be the 1st to congratulate Dan Owston on winning The best performing individual player ;D
Well done Dan. Great performance.
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Not sure of how your spread over the regions will be but if players can choose their team surely there may be an inbalance in the number of players in each team??
If this is the case then surely the teams with more players in them have an advantage in that they have more players playing the weekly events and therefore more % chance of getting higher placed finishes.
Maybe Im wrong but this the only flaw I can see in what looks like a great event.
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Not sure of how your spread over the regions will be but if players can choose their team surely there may be an inbalance in the number of players in each team??
If this is the case then surely the teams with more players in them have an advantage in that they have more players playing the weekly events and therefore more % chance of getting higher placed finishes.
Maybe Im wrong but this the only flaw I can see in what looks like a great event.
Far more even than in previous years
The vast majority of people will play in the area they live, some in an area they have a long term association with
Overall, this format should see a far more level playing field than before
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Not sure of how your spread over the regions will be but if players can choose their team surely there may be an inbalance in the number of players in each team??
If this is the case then surely the teams with more players in them have an advantage in that they have more players playing the weekly events and therefore more % chance of getting higher placed finishes.
Maybe Im wrong but this the only flaw I can see in what looks like a great event.
We"ll monitor the situation but don"t envisage a real issue.
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Not sure of how your spread over the regions will be but if players can choose their team surely there may be an inbalance in the number of players in each team??
If this is the case then surely the teams with more players in them have an advantage in that they have more players playing the weekly events and therefore more % chance of getting higher placed finishes.
Maybe Im wrong but this the only flaw I can see in what looks like a great event.
Far more even than in previous years
The vast majority of people will play in the area they live, some in an area they have a long term association with
Overall, this format should see a far more level playing field than before
ok fair enough
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I"m not sure about bigger teams having more of an advantage tbh, only 4 can score so i think that kinda counteracts any advantage. Only way i see a disadvantage is if the team is vastly bigger. I think a few players makes no difference.
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Well done guys, the added value looks very impressive and Stars certainly seems a popular choice.
As someone pointed out above could we have some clarity on the individual/team points thing. I"m sure you mean all your points count towards your individual total but will only count towards your team"s total if you are one of the top four finishers for your region - but it doesn"t read like that. It would be good to clarify to avoid any future issues.
Would it be possible to display a map with APAT's region split defined. At the moment I"m not sure if I"m South East, East or London and HC - If you spoonfeed it to me I"m less likely to get it wrong - although it"s not guaranteed.
A great start to proceedings, well done chaps!
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Fantastic news and well done to APAT for the great balancing act. Now all I need is a Stars account ::) Can"t believe I don"t have one already :P
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Fantastic news and well done to APAT for the great balancing act. Now all I need is a Stars account ::) Can"t believe I don"t have one already :P
APAT banner FTW! :)
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Well done guys, the added value looks very impressive and Stars certainly seems a popular choice.
As someone pointed out above could we have some clarity on the individual/team points thing. I"m sure you mean all your points count towards your individual total but will only count towards your team"s total if you are one of the top four finishers for your region - but it doesn"t read like that. It would be good to clarify to avoid any future issues.
Would it be possible to display a map with APAT's region split defined. At the moment I"m not sure if I"m South East, East or London and HC - If you spoonfeed it to me I"m less likely to get it wrong - although it"s not guaranteed.
A great start to proceedings, well done chaps!
Thanks John. There isn"t a map as such. I would offer a guideline that if you live within 30 mile of London, you may fall into L & HC. SE runs out to the coast and E is above. If necessary, type "UK Regional Map" into google images and you will get a good idea of where you might be positioned.
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Fantastic....really impressed.....one lil question....the league ends in June..why so early?....
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Fantastic....really impressed.....one lil question....the league ends in June..why so early?....
1st of 2 leagues for Season 6
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Fantastic....really impressed.....one lil question....the league ends in June..why so early?....
1st of 2 leagues for Season 6
Thx...this toothache has numbed my brain cells....
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I can"t wait for the online league this season.
Obviously a lot of thought has gone into organising this, especially the points system which looks spot on. And the added value is exceptional.
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Even a fussy old sod like me loves this. 5000 chips,15 minute blinds, hell yeah, I"ll be back
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oh yeah best tour in world back on teh best software in the world guess i am back
now where do i sign up to the winning team
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oh yeah best tour in world back on teh best software in the world guess i am back
now where do i sign up to the winning team
here
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=10368.0%3Btopicseen (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=10368.0%3Btopicseen)
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can i be the 1st to congratulate Dan Owston on winning The best performing individual player ;D
oioi I though it might be Dewi
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Awesome. Just awesome :)
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Well done Des & team.
It"s good to be back on Pokerstars. It states on the release that games will be played over 15 consecutive weeks. Is this right? If so, wont this clash with APAT Live National events? Pokerstars mobile app FTW i suppose?
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Well done Des & team.
It"s good to be back on Pokerstars. It states on the release that games will be played over 15 consecutive weeks. Is this right? If so, wont this clash with APAT Live National events? Pokerstars mobile app FTW i suppose?
Thanks Darren. Yes, it will clash with some live events, but that will only impact the players who make day two and as you said, PokerStars Mobile for the win in all other cases :)
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Interesting that you chose the 9 official regions of England plus Wales, Scotland and Ireland EXCEPT that you have London & The Home Counties, rather than just Greater London. The Home Counties are officially in the South East. Greater London is already the 2nd most populated region (1st being the South East). Pinching a big chunk of the South East and adding it to London just makes it massive!
Intrigued to know why you did that?
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This is great news for numerous reasons:
1. My "bankroll" is with PokerStars
2. I"m usually playing on PokerStars every Sunday anyway
3. Lots of chips and nice long blind levels means I can grind these out whilst winning the Sunday Storm EVERY weekend!
Well, two out of three isn"t bad. 8)
The only downside is North Norfolk always gets left out! I"ll probably be playing in a team of ONE!! :P
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Mmmmmm. Some of the old "Luton" players played for Luton cos there was no team in their area. Now there is one, which will have a below-average player volume to choose from anyway, and which apparently is to be disadvantaged further by a lot of their experienced players playing for a different region which has a better chance of winning, on the pretext that they can"t bear to be parted from their old team-mates. If the "Luton" players are all allowed to stay together, I wouldn"t put any money on East of England challenging in the league.
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APAT was preferring to take a softer line on this issue; leaving the decision with the individuals, as we are talking about a relatively small number of players. That said, if members feel it is significant then APAT will make a ruling.
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APAT was preferring to take a softer line on this issue; leaving the decision with the individuals, as we are talking about a relatively small number of players. That said, if members feel it is significant then APAT will make a ruling.
Hopefully it wont be a problem.
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what will happen with the prizes if you win an individual prize and a team prize. for example can you win 2 prizes? or will it drop down to the next person like last year?
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what will happen with the prizes if you win an individual prize and a team prize. for example can you win 2 prizes? or will it drop down to the next person like last year?
Yes it will Paul.
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when are releasing the dates for the live tour? :) Kc 9c
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when are releasing the dates for the live tour? :) Kc 9c
We"re aiming to get them out later next week.
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This is great news for numerous reasons:
1. My "bankroll" is with PokerStars
2. I"m usually playing on PokerStars every Sunday anyway
3. Lots of chips and nice long blind levels means I can grind these out whilst winning the Sunday Storm EVERY weekend!
Well, two out of three isn"t bad. 8)
The only downside is North Norfolk always gets left out! I"ll probably be playing in a team of ONE!! :P
Oh no you wont
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what will happen with the prizes if you win an individual prize and a team prize. for example can you win 2 prizes? or will it drop down to the next person like last year?
Yes it will Paul.
Shame, i beleive if you"re good enough to win 2 then so be it. But your rules and i can appreciate why you do it that way. ;)
Wanna thank you guys (as im sure everyone else does) for bringing us mere mortals such a great league with such great prizes. Looking forward to hearing the live tour details more now. lol
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Mmmmmm. Some of the old "Luton" players played for Luton cos there was no team in their area. Now there is one, which will have a below-average player volume to choose from anyway, and which apparently is to be disadvantaged further by a lot of their experienced players playing for a different region which has a better chance of winning, on the pretext that they can"t bear to be parted from their old team-mates. If the "Luton" players are all allowed to stay together, I wouldn"t put any money on East of England challenging in the league.
on the pretext that they can"t bear to be parted from their old team-mates.
John, you, and many others, seriously under-estimate what we all felt about playing for Luton. It wasn"t the town of Luton, or the G Casino that we felt part of, it was the "Team". Many of us played simply because we really enjoyed that aspect of it and it is resonable for us to want to continue that where possible. We had a quirky, even eclectic mix of people, which for some reason gelled.
I for one, don"t appreciate the "on the pretext that they can"t bear to be parted from their old team-mates." line. Perhaps you should try and come up with something positive to say for once, rather than the continual stream of negative jibes you seem enjoy posting!
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Sounds fantastic wooohooo :)
Is Solent east or west of Southampton? Never could quite work out where it was.
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yeah to be honest it saddens me when guys come up with a good thing for all involved and theres still complaints. But as the saying goes. You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time.
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Gerrin!!!
WEELET 9c 8c
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(even if Brendan still thinks the points system is flawed ;) )
No I don"t, I have always felt that the unlimited Team size was the major flaw and grossly disadvantaged the lesser Apat populated regions.
Edit to Add: If we can somehow keep the numerical disadvantage at less than 1/3 then I suspect this will work just fine.
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No I don"t, I have always felt that the unlimited Team size was the major flaw and grossly disadvantaged the lesser Apat populated regions.
+1
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Mmmmmm. Some of the old "Luton" players played for Luton cos there was no team in their area. Now there is one, which will have a below-average player volume to choose from anyway, and which apparently is to be disadvantaged further by a lot of their experienced players playing for a different region which has a better chance of winning, on the pretext that they can"t bear to be parted from their old team-mates. If the "Luton" players are all allowed to stay together, I wouldn"t put any money on East of England challenging in the league.
Pretext - something that is put forward to conceal a true purpose or object;
In other words members of the old Luton team will pretend that they like the team spirit, camaradarie, facebook friendships, regular contact with new mates and occassional home games which have been fostered under recent stewardship when really we just want to block vote in order to improve our chances of winning something.
You are completely out of line John!
Which is a real shame because you actually make a valid point about the East of England should certain members of the old Luton team decide to stay together for entirly positive & APAT spirited reasons which APAT would have to look at
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GG APAT BTW
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All I am saying is that I don"t see how however much you all loved each other in the past justifies the entire team staying together in a new league structure when some of them live in a different region. Even without the additional players, London and the Home Counties will be one of the strongest teams, in fact, probably the strongest. East of England will prob be the weakest.
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This is perfect will play all games as they are on stars and what team will be runner up to Scotland?
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No I don"t, I have always felt that the unlimited Team size was the major flaw and grossly disadvantaged the lesser Apat populated regions.
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Suprised at that Cashman! A whole country and the 6 counties to get players from.
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No I don"t, I have always felt that the unlimited Team size was the major flaw and grossly disadvantaged the lesser Apat populated regions.
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A little dissapointed that some measure has not been introduced to stop this as it has been one of the main issues raised in discussion time after time.
POKERSTARS is a great move imo, glad to be back !
season 6 full details announcement when ???
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No I don"t, I have always felt that the unlimited Team size was the major flaw and grossly disadvantaged the lesser Apat populated regions.
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A little dissapointed that some measure has not been introduced to stop this as it has been one of the main issues raised in discussion time after time.
POKERSTARS is a great move imo, glad to be back !
season 6 full details announcement when ???
I hope there"s ample opportunity for every Region to raise a big enough team to compete for the National Online League in Season Six Jon - providing they really want it.
Season Six should come out late next week. I think it"s right that there is a bit of focus on the PokerStars initiative this week and we"re still clarifying various other details.
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season 6 full details announcement when ???
According to Des...later this week, IIRC.
EDIT...next week.
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Is the starting stack and blinds a bit on the deep side?
What time would you expect the games to finish?
Roughly:
Assuming 200-250 runners then the game will take between 6 to 6.5 hours, so finish between 2-2:30 am.
Assuming 150-200 runners then the game will take between 5.5 to 6 hours, so finish between 1:30-2 am.
Assuming 100-150 runners then the game will take between 5 to 5.5 hours, so finish between 1-1:30 am.
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All I am saying is that I don"t see how however much you all loved each other in the past justifies the entire team staying together in a new league structure when some of them live in a different region. Even without the additional players, London and the Home Counties will be one of the strongest teams, in fact, probably the strongest. East of England will prob be the weakest.
Looks like your wish has been granted - Which Regional Team can you play for ? (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=10387.0)
GG, WP >:(
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All I am saying is that I don"t see how however much you all loved each other in the past justifies the entire team staying together in a new league structure when some of them live in a different region. Even without the additional players, London and the Home Counties will be one of the strongest teams, in fact, probably the strongest. East of England will prob be the weakest.
Looks like your wish has been granted - Which Regional Team can you play for ? (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=10387.0)
GG, WP >:(
Ultimately the post was correct though and had APAT been definitive on this question from the start, it wouldn"t have been an issue. So in this case it"s my fault and I"d rather we all take a little bit of pain now rather than have team recruitment policies questioned throughout the 15 weeks of the League.
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All I am saying is that I don"t see how however much you all loved each other in the past justifies the entire team staying together in a new league structure when some of them live in a different region. Even without the additional players, London and the Home Counties will be one of the strongest teams, in fact, probably the strongest. East of England will prob be the weakest.
Everybody knows what you mean in most of your posts, it"s just the way you say things in virtually all of you posts that really p@@@ people off. Perhaps you should try and look for a positive before you post next time, but I won"t hold my breath on that.
P.s. there are many others that feel the same, hint take the ( re-arrange as you please)!
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Ignoring the bickering - this whole set up is the best result I could have hoped for.
I will be playing every league game (once I work out which region I belong to). Good job APAT on getting the backing of the best in the business - it strikes me as a fantastic deal and I cant wait for it to start.
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Great move! I"m in. :)
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Sounds fantastic wooohooo :)
Is Solent east or west of Southampton? Never could quite work out where it was.
I see Mr Murray has signed up for SE.
I think SW could struggle to get a decent size team together :-\
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Sounds fantastic wooohooo :)
Is Solent east or west of Southampton? Never could quite work out where it was.
I see Mr Murray has signed up for SE.
I think SW could struggle to get a decent size team together :-\
Solent is East of Southampton
SW gets West of Southampton, up to Bristol and down to Cornwall
Get the Bristol people energised Suzanne, and it will be a strong team at outset
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Sounds fantastic wooohooo :)
Is Solent east or west of Southampton? Never could quite work out where it was.
I see Mr Murray has signed up for SE.
I think SW could struggle to get a decent size team together :-\
Solent is East of Southampton
SW gets West of Southampton, up to Bristol and down to Cornwall
Get the Bristol people energised Suzanne, and it will be a strong team at outset
Just what I was thinking...I am on the case boss ;)
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All I am saying is that I don"t see how however much you all loved each other in the past justifies the entire team staying together in a new league structure when some of them live in a different region. Even without the additional players, London and the Home Counties will be one of the strongest teams, in fact, probably the strongest. East of England will prob be the weakest.
Funnily enough Luton is in the East of England region!
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All I am saying is that I don"t see how however much you all loved each other in the past justifies the entire team staying together in a new league structure when some of them live in a different region. Even without the additional players, London and the Home Counties will be one of the strongest teams, in fact, probably the strongest. East of England will prob be the weakest.
Funnily enough Luton is in the East of England region!
correct. Anything north of Herts isn"t Home Counties.....a handy rule of thumb is which BBC local news programme you get
I live near Luton, get BBC East Anglia and at 6.30pm every night when the bright light big city regions are getting regional news of class and deportment I get "Bungay Cow stuck in grid, Norfolk farmer incandescent with rage at Beccles Manufacturer" read to me by a bottle blonde who "ooh-aars" over the autocue like nobody"s business
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All I am saying is that I don"t see how however much you all loved each other in the past justifies the entire team staying together in a new league structure when some of them live in a different region. Even without the additional players, London and the Home Counties will be one of the strongest teams, in fact, probably the strongest. East of England will prob be the weakest.
Funnily enough Luton is in the East of England region!
correct. Anything north of Herts isn"t Home Counties.....a handy rule of thumb is which BBC local news programme you get
I live near Luton, get BBC East Anglia and at 6.30pm every night when the bright light big city regions are getting regional news of class and deportment I get "Bungay Cow stuck in grid, Norfolk farmer incandescent with rage at Beccles Manufacturer" read to me by a bottle blonde who "ooh-aars" over the autocue like nobody"s business
I have Sky and watch both "BBC Reporting Scotland" and "BBC Look North (Yorkshire)" but I guess that won"t be much of a surprise.
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Will there be late reg ?
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Will there be late reg ?
For the first hour Chris.
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Will there be late reg ?
For the first hour Chris.
Superb. Thanks
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Think the League set-up looks superb Des. Just one thing (and I may have missed it, so apologies if it is already there) but, mostly for the new members who may sign up, are you going to post anything in the rules about "Team-Play" which is an obvious difference if you want a successful "Team" in this League?
Put it in place now and avoid 95 pages of arguments later on!
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Think the League set-up looks superb Des. Just one thing (and I may have missed it, so apologies if it is already there) but, mostly for the new members who may sign up, are you going to post anything in the rules about "Team-Play" which is an obvious difference if you want a successful "Team" in this League?
Put it in place now and avoid 95 pages of arguments later on!
Thanks Brian. We wil be utilising the same rule for this as was written in Season 5. They will be posted in advance of the League starting.
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Think the League set-up looks superb Des. Just one thing (and I may have missed it, so apologies if it is already there) but, mostly for the new members who may sign up, are you going to post anything in the rules about "Team-Play" which is an obvious difference if you want a successful "Team" in this League?
Put it in place now and avoid 95 pages of arguments later on!
Thanks Brian. We wil be utilising the same rule for this as was written in Season 5. They will be posted in advance of the League starting.
....with (hopefully) the caveat that if people prefer to play an individual game and thus end up knocking out "team-mates" they will not be shot at dawn or burned at the stake.
There"s going to be a significant multiple of $10 stakes at the payout end of each tourney and so we have to respect that some will be playing for the $$$ rather than the points. It could be $500 for the win - would you soft play the nuts against a team mate?
However the team dynamic does encourage "Team-Play" and those that wish to engage in that should also not be vilified for doing so. An interesting side to this is to know who in your team is doing which!!!!
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Think the League set-up looks superb Des. Just one thing (and I may have missed it, so apologies if it is already there) but, mostly for the new members who may sign up, are you going to post anything in the rules about "Team-Play" which is an obvious difference if you want a successful "Team" in this League?
Put it in place now and avoid 95 pages of arguments later on!
Thanks Brian. We wil be utilising the same rule for this as was written in Season 5. They will be posted in advance of the League starting.
....with (hopefully) the caveat that if people prefer to play an individual game and thus end up knocking out "team-mates" they will not be shot at dawn or burned at the stake.
There"s going to be a significant multiple of $10 stakes at the payout end of each tourney and so we have to respect that some will be playing for the $$$ rather than the points. It could be $500 for the win - would you soft play the nuts against a team mate?
However the team dynamic does encourage "Team-Play" and those that wish to engage in that should also not be vilified for doing so. An interesting side to this is to know who in your team is doing which!!!!
Completely agree. Personally I would play strategically against specific opponents but never soft play.
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However the team dynamic does encourage "Team-Play" and those that wish to engage in that should also not be vilified for doing so. An interesting side to this is to know who in your team is doing which!!!!
It was for precisely this reason that I withdrew from the league last season. I was playing for and with the team, and was then twice was knocked out by chip-hungry team mates who were only playing for themselves.
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I really like this but hope at least some of the matchdays are on nights I don"t work! Those being tuesdays, thursdays, and saturdays!
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Is the starting stack and blinds a bit on the deep side?
What time would you expect the games to finish?
Roughly:
Assuming 200-250 runners then the game will take between 6 to 6.5 hours, so finish between 2-2:30 am.
Assuming 150-200 runners then the game will take between 5.5 to 6 hours, so finish between 1:30-2 am.
Assuming 100-150 runners then the game will take between 5 to 5.5 hours, so finish between 1-1:30 am.
if this calculation is correct then won`t it be putting off a lot of players who have to get up for work on a Monday morning?
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I really like this but hope at least some of the matchdays are on nights I don"t work! Those being tuesdays, thursdays, and saturdays!
the matchdays are always on sundays.
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Ian....come and buy a caravan in the West Midlands and then I will sign you up. You can even bring your Brother Mike with you if you want ;D
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So what if it finishes 2 am. Cant see why people are worried, you dont have to watch if you go bust before final table. If you make final then there is a chance to make money and get individual and team points. And if you have to be at work in morning you are still getting 6 hours sleep.
Personally i didnt play much before because i didnt like the other sites, but i also found the tournys too fast, so maybe from a selfish POV i think this is great.
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So what if it finishes 2 am.... And if you have to be at work in morning you are still getting 6 hours sleep.
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lol - must be nice to be able to get up at 8am for work :)
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Prizes
Prizes will be allocated based on both team and individual performance.
Team:
The three best performing members of the winning team will be awarded a PokerStars.com UKIPT seat each.
The three best performing members of the runner up team will be awarded a $215 PokerStars Sunday Million entry each.
The three best performing members of the third placed team will be awarded a $109 PokerStars Sunday Kickoff entry each.
Q. How does it reward the TEAM if only the top 3 scoring players in the team get any reward?
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Prizes
Prizes will be allocated based on both team and individual performance.
Team:
The three best performing members of the winning team will be awarded a PokerStars.com UKIPT seat each.
The three best performing members of the runner up team will be awarded a $215 PokerStars Sunday Million entry each.
The three best performing members of the third placed team will be awarded a $109 PokerStars Sunday Kickoff entry each.
Q. How does it reward the TEAM if only the top 3 scoring players in the team get any reward?
We haven"t put the Terms thread up yet as has been mentioned elsewhere. We will have a clause that a percentage of any winnings from the live events goes back to the team in ratio to the points that players have earned over the season.
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Prizes
Prizes will be allocated based on both team and individual performance.
Team:
The three best performing members of the winning team will be awarded a PokerStars.com UKIPT seat each.
The three best performing members of the runner up team will be awarded a $215 PokerStars Sunday Million entry each.
The three best performing members of the third placed team will be awarded a $109 PokerStars Sunday Kickoff entry each.
Q. How does it reward the TEAM if only the top 3 scoring players in the team get any reward?
We haven"t put the Terms thread up yet as has been mentioned elsewhere. We will have a clause that a percentage of any winnings from the live events goes back to the team in ratio to the points that players have earned over the season.
Thanks Des. That"s exactly what I hoped the answer would be. Suggest 50% to the player, 50% to the team (excluding the player) on a ratio basis.
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Prizes
Prizes will be allocated based on both team and individual performance.
Team:
The three best performing members of the winning team will be awarded a PokerStars.com UKIPT seat each.
The three best performing members of the runner up team will be awarded a $215 PokerStars Sunday Million entry each.
The three best performing members of the third placed team will be awarded a $109 PokerStars Sunday Kickoff entry each.
Q. How does it reward the TEAM if only the top 3 scoring players in the team get any reward?
We haven"t put the Terms thread up yet as has been mentioned elsewhere. We will have a clause that a percentage of any winnings from the live events goes back to the team in ratio to the points that players have earned over the season.
Thanks Des. That"s exactly what I hoped the answer would be. Suggest 50% to the player, 50% to the team (excluding the player) on a ratio basis.
That"s a LOT of prize money to give away.
The team as a whole might give the added value winners the opportunity of playing in those extra tournaments - but if they then go on to cash or even win those tournaments I don"t think you could say that half of it is down to their team mates.
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Prizes
Prizes will be allocated based on both team and individual performance.
Team:
The three best performing members of the winning team will be awarded a PokerStars.com UKIPT seat each.
The three best performing members of the runner up team will be awarded a $215 PokerStars Sunday Million entry each.
The three best performing members of the third placed team will be awarded a $109 PokerStars Sunday Kickoff entry each.
Q. How does it reward the TEAM if only the top 3 scoring players in the team get any reward?
We haven"t put the Terms thread up yet as has been mentioned elsewhere. We will have a clause that a percentage of any winnings from the live events goes back to the team in ratio to the points that players have earned over the season.
Thanks Des. That"s exactly what I hoped the answer would be. Suggest 50% to the player, 50% to the team (excluding the player) on a ratio basis.
That"s a LOT of prize money to give away.
The team as a whole might give the added value winners the opportunity of playing in those extra tournaments - but if they then go on to cash or even win those tournaments I don"t think you could say that half of it is down to their team mates.
I agree, it won"t be as high as 50%.
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Prizes
Prizes will be allocated based on both team and individual performance.
Team:
The three best performing members of the winning team will be awarded a PokerStars.com UKIPT seat each.
The three best performing members of the runner up team will be awarded a $215 PokerStars Sunday Million entry each.
The three best performing members of the third placed team will be awarded a $109 PokerStars Sunday Kickoff entry each.
Q. How does it reward the TEAM if only the top 3 scoring players in the team get any reward?
We haven"t put the Terms thread up yet as has been mentioned elsewhere. We will have a clause that a percentage of any winnings from the live events goes back to the team in ratio to the points that players have earned over the season.
Thanks Des. That"s exactly what I hoped the answer would be. Suggest 50% to the player, 50% to the team (excluding the player) on a ratio basis.
That"s a LOT of prize money to give away.
The team as a whole might give the added value winners the opportunity of playing in those extra tournaments - but if they then go on to cash or even win those tournaments I don"t think you could say that half of it is down to their team mates.
Why not Jon? They probably scored way less than half the points that the team scored to get them there. If they were in a region on their own they wouldn"t get there. So on that basis it"s probably a raw deal on the rest of the team to only get 50% of the winnings ;D
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Why not Jon? They probably scored way less than half the points that the team scored to get them there. If they were in a region on their own they wouldn"t get there. So on that basis it"s probably a raw deal on the rest of the team to only get 50% of the winnings ;D
Even if the rest of the team contributed as high as 80% of the effort to get the winner in to the added value tournament.
They will have contributed 0% of the effort to get that player into the cash/win in the tournament itself
So their reward should be 0.8 x 0.0 = 0% surely?
They should be grateful for getting anything higher ;D
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Fantastic arrangement, albeit with a lil sad token to lose Luton Poker Club
Luton"s loss will be a bonus for whatever team you sign for Waz. You did them credit and led from the front, you were inspiring to your fellow team members.
Theres no doubt that the team you sign for will consider themselves lucky to get such a great guy.
Are you sure that you have no Geordie ancestors born any where near, Newcastle, Sunderland or Stockton. ;)
Good luck
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Why not Jon? They probably scored way less than half the points that the team scored to get them there. If they were in a region on their own they wouldn"t get there. So on that basis it"s probably a raw deal on the rest of the team to only get 50% of the winnings ;D
Even if the rest of the team contributed as high as 80% of the effort to get the winner in to the added value tournament.
They will have contributed 0% of the effort to get that player into the cash/win in the tournament itself
So their reward should be 0.8 x 0.0 = 0% surely?
They should be grateful for getting anything higher ;D
This is a TEAM event - the whole concept is team oriented, and it just happens that the highest placed players in a team win the opportunity to represent their team at the live event..... it could be argued that should he cash, the entire winnings are distributed to all team members on a pro-rata basis according to points contributed (and the player who represented the team in the live event and secured the cash gets his share according to the points total that he scored).
Of course, the player who wins the individual tally should not split his winnings - he has won that for Individual recognition and not team performance.
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This is a TEAM event - the whole concept is team oriented, and it just happens that the highest placed players in a team win the opportunity to represent their team at the live event..... it could be argued that should he cash, the entire winnings are distributed to all team members on a pro-rata basis according to points contributed (and the player who represented the team in the live event and secured the cash gets his share according to the points total that he scored).
Actually...they might chose (or be required) to represent another team entirely.
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This is a TEAM event - the whole concept is team oriented, and it just happens that the highest placed players in a team win the opportunity to represent their team at the live event..... it could be argued that should he cash, the entire winnings are distributed to all team members on a pro-rata basis according to points contributed (and the player who represented the team in the live event and secured the cash gets his share according to the points total that he scored).
Actually...they might chose (or be required) to represent another team entirely.
I believe Steve means should they win a UKIPT seat...that they are effectively representing their team in that event.
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This is a TEAM event - the whole concept is team oriented, and it just happens that the highest placed players in a team win the opportunity to represent their team at the live event..... it could be argued that should he cash, the entire winnings are distributed to all team members on a pro-rata basis according to points contributed (and the player who represented the team in the live event and secured the cash gets his share according to the points total that he scored).
Actually...they might chose (or be required) to represent another team entirely.
I believe Steve means should they win a UKIPT seat...that they are effectively representing their team in that event.
Oh...that makes more sense than my paranoid delusions.
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Why not Jon? They probably scored way less than half the points that the team scored to get them there. If they were in a region on their own they wouldn"t get there. So on that basis it"s probably a raw deal on the rest of the team to only get 50% of the winnings ;D
Even if the rest of the team contributed as high as 80% of the effort to get the winner in to the added value tournament.
They will have contributed 0% of the effort to get that player into the cash/win in the tournament itself
So their reward should be 0.8 x 0.0 = 0% surely?
They should be grateful for getting anything higher ;D
This is a TEAM event - the whole concept is team oriented, and it just happens that the highest placed players in a team win the opportunity to represent their team at the live event..... it could be argued that should he cash, the entire winnings are distributed to all team members on a pro-rata basis according to points contributed (and the player who represented the team in the live event and secured the cash gets his share according to the points total that he scored).
Of course, the player who wins the individual tally should not split his winnings - he has won that for Individual recognition and not team performance.
Jon agrees with you Steve, as does Des. I tabled a 50% split, Jon said he thought that was too much and Des agreed and said it wouldn"t be as high as 50% to the team. So this will be a discussion for later when Des tells us (or offers to discuss) the detail. Az you know, we at BCPC have for 6 seasons used a 50% split rule for our winners that represent the club in regional/national events. I"m not aware of any opposition to this, but Brian would know better than me.
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Why not Jon? They probably scored way less than half the points that the team scored to get them there. If they were in a region on their own they wouldn"t get there. So on that basis it"s probably a raw deal on the rest of the team to only get 50% of the winnings ;D
Even if the rest of the team contributed as high as 80% of the effort to get the winner in to the added value tournament.
They will have contributed 0% of the effort to get that player into the cash/win in the tournament itself
So their reward should be 0.8 x 0.0 = 0% surely?
They should be grateful for getting anything higher ;D
This is a TEAM event - the whole concept is team oriented, and it just happens that the highest placed players in a team win the opportunity to represent their team at the live event..... it could be argued that should he cash, the entire winnings are distributed to all team members on a pro-rata basis according to points contributed (and the player who represented the team in the live event and secured the cash gets his share according to the points total that he scored).
Of course, the player who wins the individual tally should not split his winnings - he has won that for Individual recognition and not team performance.
Jon agrees with you Steve, as does Des. I tabled a 50% split, Jon said he thought that was too much and Des agreed and said it wouldn"t be as high as 50% to the team. So this will be a discussion for later when Des tells us (or offers to discuss) the detail. Az you know, we at BCPC have for 6 seasons used a 50% split rule for our winners that represent the club in regional/national events. I"m not aware of any opposition to this, but Brian would know better than me.
I will be creating a Captain"s board Andrew, and the guys can discuss and agree any outstanding issues in there. I"m happy to leave this one to them.
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I will be creating a Captain"s board Andrew, and the guys can discuss and agree any outstanding issues in there. I"m happy to leave this one to them.
Do you mean that it will be for each team to decide with their captain or for the captains to decide a rule between them? The latter please??? Make it the same for everyone, no matter what team they are in.
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I will be creating a Captain"s board Andrew, and the guys can discuss and agree any outstanding issues in there. I"m happy to leave this one to them.
Do you mean that it will be for each team to decide with their captain or for the captains to decide a rule between them? The latter please??? Make it the same for everyone, no matter what team they are in.
Absolutely, the Captains will confirm a position that will be entered into the terms and conditions of the National Online League and be applicable to all Regions.
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I would have expected this question to have been asked already but can"t see it so I will fire away...
The league will run for 15 consecutive weeks but I"m assuming and hoping, as many of us are, that there will be multiple APAT Live events during this period.
AFAIK APAT has always avoided the 2 clashing. Can you advise what the plan is?
ty
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I would have expected this question to have been asked already but can"t see it so I will fire away...
The league will run for 15 consecutive weeks but I"m assuming and hoping, as many of us are, that there will be multiple APAT Live events during this period.
AFAIK APAT has always avoided the 2 clashing. Can you advise what the plan is?
ty
Some clashes will occur during the season JP. PokerStars mobile may help in some cases, but hopefully it will be a relatively small number of players affected.
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I would have expected this question to have been asked already but can"t see it so I will fire away...
The league will run for 15 consecutive weeks but I"m assuming and hoping, as many of us are, that there will be multiple APAT Live events during this period.
AFAIK APAT has always avoided the 2 clashing. Can you advise what the plan is?
ty
Some clashes will occur during the season JP. PokerStars mobile may help in some cases, but hopefully it will be a relatively small number of players affected.
I"ve had a few people querying this as well Des. Could we look at holding the league game on the Monday, where it clashes with a live event.
We could easily have a situation, particularly nearer then end of the league season, where some players may have to decide whether they attend a live event or not, if they are doing well in the league. This may then dilute the overall chances of the team as well. as their numbers may be significantly down. The draw of a UKIPT seat will be a strong one.
e.g. APAT Walsall Live weekend sees 9 or the 18 WM players that played make day 2 and 4 make FT. Many would like to stay and rail their friends I"m sure, but this would leave the WM league team in a poor position to say the least. (and yes I know this is hypothetical - well the bit about APAT Walsall and 9 making day 2- and 4 making FT ;) Not to mention those in the side game.
I guess there are 3-4 live events in the first half of season 6, which is circ 20-25% of the league games. At least that way everyone gets the chance to play all events. Just a thought.
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Des and the APAT team, I couldn"t be happier with the announcement so far. After reading the first couple of pages I totally lost interest in what I can only describe as dribble! I understand everyone is entitled to there opinion however what you"s guys have done for amateur poker in the UK is outstanding!! Now according to the rules who the feck can I play for this session!!!! I"m from Northern Ireland, my dads from New Zeland, we had a Portugees dog once, my aunt married a German porn star and I currently live in a 1970"s country (Gibraltar) !!!! Your help in this matter would be greatly appreciated!
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Des and the APAT team, I couldn"t be happier with the announcement so far. After reading the first couple of pages I totally lost interest in what I can only describe as dribble! I understand everyone is entitled to there opinion however what you"s guys have done for amateur poker in the UK is outstanding!! Now according to the rules who the feck can I play for this session!!!! I"m from Northern Ireland, my dads from New Zeland, we had a Portugees dog once, my aunt married a German porn star and I currently live in a 1970"s country (Gibraltar) !!!! Your help in this matter would be greatly appreciated!
Looks like your choices are Ireland or Europe then Dave. Flip a coin ?
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Des and the APAT team, I couldn"t be happier with the announcement so far. After reading the first couple of pages I totally lost interest in what I can only describe as dribble! I understand everyone is entitled to there opinion however what you"s guys have done for amateur poker in the UK is outstanding!! Now according to the rules who the feck can I play for this session!!!! I"m from Northern Ireland, my dads from New Zeland, we had a Portugees dog once, my aunt married a German porn star and I currently live in a 1970"s country (Gibraltar) !!!! Your help in this matter would be greatly appreciated!
Looks like your choices are Ireland or Europe then Dave. Flip a coin ?
@ allinbob2
Youre are welcome in our brand new Team European Region !
Kind regards
Achim
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The tournament is already in the Pokerstars lobby.
Couldn"t it do with some added description though?
At the very least "See www.apat.com for more details" for example
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The tournament is already in the Pokerstars lobby.
Couldn"t it do with some added description though?
At the very least "See www.apat.com for more details" for example
You really want four hundred PokerStars players in the tournament also?
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The tournament is already in the Pokerstars lobby.
Couldn"t it do with some added description though?
At the very least "See www.apat.com for more details" for example
You really want four hundred PokerStars players in the tournament also?
Assuming they are a) From the North West of England and b) Good, then yeah! ;)
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The tournament is already in the Pokerstars lobby.
Couldn"t it do with some added description though?
At the very least "See www.apat.com for more details" for example
You really want four hundred PokerStars players in the tournament also?
Assuming they are a) From the North West of England and b) Good, then yeah! ;)
I"ll take lucky rather than good ;)
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The tournament is already in the Pokerstars lobby.
Couldn"t it do with some added description though?
At the very least "See www.apat.com for more details" for example
You really want four hundred PokerStars players in the tournament also?
Assuming they are a) From the North West of England and b) Good, then yeah! ;)
I think you might see a very very strong European Region! ::)
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The tournament is already in the Pokerstars lobby.
Couldn"t it do with some added description though?
At the very least "See www.apat.com for more details" for example
You really want four hundred PokerStars players in the tournament also?
That"s a good point.....are you anticipating randoms?....Were there randoms last season?
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The tournament is already in the Pokerstars lobby.
Couldn"t it do with some added description though?
At the very least "See www.apat.com for more details" for example
You really want four hundred PokerStars players in the tournament also?
That"s a good point.....are you anticipating randoms?....Were there randoms last season?
I"m not expecting any randoms. We are not carrying the APAT url on the PokerStars lobby - we did last time, and the only way to play is by picking up the password here. We"ve also not mentioned the prize details.
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Another (hopefully) interesting topic that could turn into a debate - randoms?
Personally, I"m all for it - but as Joobs has just said, I think the tourneys HAVE to be password protected (or ticketed if possible along the $11) because people are going to see an $11 tournament at 7pm on a Sunday night and add it to their grind.
I"d password it - with the caveat (again, if possible on the forum software) that to get the password a player MUST join the APAT forum, make a post stating their name and Stars ID in their chosen team"s sign-up thread - then they can see a locked post with the password in. Password needs to be changed every week.
Then advertise the hell out of it. After all, that"s got to be what we want, new blood.
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It is password protected and all 15 tournaments are currently sitting within Tournies / Private on the PokerStars client. The PokerStars tournament team will be updating the starting time as all bar the first two tournaments have been set at 8pm.
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Another (hopefully) interesting topic that could turn into a debate - randoms?
Personally, I"m all for it - but as Joobs has just said, I think the tourneys HAVE to be password protected (or ticketed if possible along the $11) because people are going to see an $11 tournament at 7pm on a Sunday night and add it to their grind.
I"d password it - with the caveat (again, if possible on the forum software) that to get the password a player MUST join the APAT forum, make a post stating their name and Stars ID in their chosen team"s sign-up thread - then they can see a locked post with the password in. Password needs to be changed every week.
Then advertise the hell out of it. After all, that"s got to be what we want, new blood.
Very much this.........it wouldn"t take a genius to find the one password that lasts all season.....I say welcome tourism...just let them go that extra step
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On re-reading, my posts read a bit harsher than I intended. I wasn"t intending to upset the Luton players, who we all know had a bond. I just didn"t fancy a super-team of London plus Luton, who have just finished second in the old league, which would have been guaranteed one of the top three places in the league, but the wording of the posts could have been better chosen. Having said that, I am disappointed by Richard"s responses, which were unnecessary and I hope he will retract them. Anyway, Des & Tighty have shown the wisdom of Solomon and made some wise decisions, so it"s time to focus on the new team - South-East for the title. Congrats on the captaincy, Richard - I am going to pm the Solent players" names and contact details to you. I hope the team does well - I will play as often as I can.
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On re-reading, my posts read a bit harsher than I intended. I wasn"t intending to upset the Luton players, who we all know had a bond. I just didn"t fancy a super-team of London plus Luton, who have just finished second in the old league, which would have been guaranteed one of the top three places in the league, but the wording of the posts could have been better chosen. Having said that, I am disappointed by Richard"s responses, which were unnecessary and I hope he will retract them. Anyway, Des & Tighty have shown the wisdom of Solomon and made some wise decisions, so it"s time to focus on the new team - South-East for the title. Congrats on the captaincy, Richard - I am going to pm the Solent players" names and contact details to you. I hope the team does well - I will play as often as I can.
Thanks for your kind words John. Here"s hoping we can win the league.
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Just realised you don"t need a pm with the details, cos they"re all on the Solent sign-up page:
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8262.0
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Just realised you don"t need a pm with the details, cos they"re all on the Solent sign-up page:
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8262.0
Thanks. I"ve already posted a note on all of the southern clubs pages, so hopefully that will bring things to peoples attention.
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It is password protected and all 15 tournaments are currently sitting within Tournies / Private on the PokerStars client. The PokerStars tournament team will be updating the starting time as all bar the first two tournaments have been set at 8pm.
Is the password the same as last year?
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The password is apatmember.
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Interesting to see all the Facebook groups springing up for the region teams....... it"s not that long ago that Brian Yates was lambasted for trying to get the West Midlands team to use a Facebook group as a focus. It was pointed out that West Mids might be colluding by using Facebook, and that this forum should be the only focal point for teams.
Looks like Facebook is considered to be ok now, and that perhaps Brian wasn"t trying to cheat after all?
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Interesting to see all the Facebook groups springing up for the region teams....... it"s not that long ago that Brian Yates was lambasted for trying to get the West Midlands team to use a Facebook group as a focus. It was pointed out that West Mids might be colluding by using Facebook, and that this forum should be the only focal point for teams.
Looks like Facebook is considered to be ok now, and that perhaps Brian was trying to cheat after all?
Can"t speak about the "cheating" element of your post Steve. I think Facebook is a great tool for promoting the whole league and introducing APAT to new players. To that end, facebook pages with a "Like" button that can be viewed by everyone, give each region and therefore the overall league the highest profile.
I believe that "open" groups give a similar visibility.
You are always going to get people suggesting that teams are colluding whether it be on facebook, msn, phones, or even being sat in the same room.
The reality is that the significant majority of APAT players wouldn"t even dream of doing any of this, and would also raise concerns if that heard of any players that were involved.
Clearly Brian is a visionary ;D
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Things have moved on in West Bromwich, Brian is now moving away from old fashioned social media towards innovative new communication techniques that are proving popular
(http://download.agefotostock.com/fotos/bajaage/cached/509383/RBB-D3D-81.jpg)
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Interesting to see all the Facebook groups springing up for the region teams....... it"s not that long ago that Brian Yates was lambasted for trying to get the West Midlands team to use a Facebook group as a focus. It was pointed out that West Mids might be colluding by using Facebook, and that this forum should be the only focal point for teams.
Looks like Facebook is considered to be ok now, and that perhaps Brian was trying to cheat after all?
Can"t speak about the "cheating" element of your post Steve. I think Facebook is a great tool for promoting the whole league and introducing APAT to new players. To that end, facebook pages with a "Like" button that can be viewed by everyone, give each region and therefore the overall league the highest profile.
I believe that "open" groups give a similar visibility.
You are always going to get people suggesting that teams are colluding whether it be on facebook, msn, phones, or even being sat in the same room.
The reality is that the significant majority of APAT players wouldn"t even dream of doing any of this, and would also raise concerns if that heard of any players that were involved.
Clearly Brian is a visionary ;D
Well said
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Have to agree fabebook is a great way of promoting and also talking team tactics
Was never used for what was suggested in steves post
And as Des is now on most of these if not all of these groups I think this will rule out any possible allegation of collusion or cheating
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Agree Leigh - it was quite disappointing (and offensive) at the time to see people suggesting that we might be using Facebook for the wrong reasons, but in line with the groundswell of opinion, we stuck to the APAT forum for anything West Mids team related.
Good to see that everyone is catching up and that we can all get in the real world now.
That said though, I think we need to try and get Pokerstars linked on all the regional team Facebook pages - I doubt it would be good for our sponsorship if we took much of the league related traffic away from their logos and links on the forum.
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Have to agree fabebook is a great way of promoting and also talking team tactics
Was never used for what steve suggested
And as Des is now on most of these if not all of these groups I think this will rule out any possible allegation of collusion or cheating
+1
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I assume we can use the link from the APAT banners on facebook , and APAT will get the same credit if anyone joins from the link http://www.pokerstars.co.uk/sites/v1pomiploee/ (http://www.pokerstars.co.uk/sites/v1pomiploee/)
if so will make regular postings on the facebook page
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Just realised you don"t need a pm with the details, cos they"re all on the Solent sign-up page:
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8262.0
Thanks. I"ve already posted a note on all of the southern clubs pages, so hopefully that will bring things to peoples attention.
I"m afraid they won"t see that, Richard. The Solent team were not typical - they were mostly people I know from other poker leagues who agreed to play the online league, but they haven"t played any other APAT events, even the online championships. They don"t frequent the forum, apart from signing up and maybe posting during or after a league game (you can see on the sign-up pages that they are mostly in single-digit post-counts). However, I will see a lot of them at a local tournament tomorrow, so I"ll encourage them to enlist for the South-East. I expect that the Facebook page will be the best way of communicating with them going forward.
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I assume we can use the link from the APAT banners on facebook , and APAT will get the same credit if anyone joins from the link http://www.pokerstars.co.uk/sites/v1pomiploee/ (http://www.pokerstars.co.uk/sites/v1pomiploee/)
if so will make regular postings on the facebook page
No Gerry, please direct people to the APAT site for PokerStars signups and further information.
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Just realised you don"t need a pm with the details, cos they"re all on the Solent sign-up page:
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8262.0
Thanks. I"ve already posted a note on all of the southern clubs pages, so hopefully that will bring things to peoples attention.
I"m afraid they won"t see that, Richard. The Solent team were not typical - they were mostly people I know from other poker leagues who agreed to play the online league, but they haven"t played any other APAT events, even the online championships. They don"t frequent the forum, apart from signing up and maybe posting during or after a league game (you can see on the sign-up pages that they are mostly in single-digit post-counts). However, I will see a lot of them at a local tournament tomorrow, so I"ll encourage them to enlist for the South-East. I expect that the Facebook page will be the best way of communicating with them going forward.
Thanks John, that would be a great help.
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I assume we can use the link from the APAT banners on facebook , and APAT will get the same credit if anyone joins from the link http://www.pokerstars.co.uk/sites/v1pomiploee/ (http://www.pokerstars.co.uk/sites/v1pomiploee/)
if so will make regular postings on the facebook page
No Gerry, please direct people to the APAT site for PokerStars signups and further information.
no problem
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Just wondering whether the APAT member whose image is fronting the league, and who is closely identified with the sponsor, is likely to make an appearance at another APAT event now that we are also linked with PokerStars.
(http://www.apat.com/images/s6/event_ad_vertical_online.jpg)
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Just wondering whether the APAT member whose image is fronting the league, and who is closely identified with the sponsor, is likely to make an appearance at another APAT event now that we are also linked with PokerStars.
(http://www.apat.com/images/s6/event_ad_vertical_online.jpg)
Sure she will but to be honest john however drunk you try and get her and whatever bad chat up lines you use like you did to that poor unfortanate lady at our table last time is highly unlikely to work matey ;)
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Just to confirm, I cannot register with my existing Pokerstars account?
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Just to confirm, I cannot register with my existing Pokerstars account?
As long as you have a Pokerstars account, then you can join up with a region to play.
If you need an account, then please click the banners.
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Guess that PokerStars announce the APAT Online events under "privat" or "regional". Just as a prevention, please assure that players outside from UK/Ireland are able to register. Sometimes there are problems. Guess players from different countries have their own regional tournaments.;)
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Can anyone partake and also any idea when rego will open for the 1st event?
Thanks.
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What is the password please so I can reg :)
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Can anyone partake and also any idea when rego will open for the 1st event?
Thanks.
Hi
The event is only open to people living in or born in the East Midlands ;D
Just kidding, the event is open to all APAT members and APAT membership is open to all. But you must register with one of the regional teams before the first game. See other threads on how to do this and what the rules are regarding which team to join.
Password is apatmember
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Can anyone partake and also any idea when rego will open for the 1st event?
Thanks.
Hi
The event is only open to people living in or born in the East Midlands ;D
Just kidding, the event is open to all APAT members and APAT membership is open to all. But you must register with one of the regional teams before the first game. See other threads on how to do this and what the rules are regarding which team to join.
Password is apatmember
That"s what I call a real patriot. ;D
JP, good luck for you in season 6 and cu@thetables
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Thanks Achimm - you too mate.
Will we see you at a live event this year?
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Some clashes will occur during the season JP. PokerStars mobile may help in some cases, but hopefully it will be a relatively small number of players affected.
This might be quite fun actually; a group from the North East huddled around their i-Phones in one corner of the casino, a bunch of Scots in another while a bloke in a corduroy cap stalks the venue for signs of collusion. ;D
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Thanks Achimm - you too mate.
Will we see you at a live event this year?
Hopefully yes ! Missed 2011 to share some drinks with you and other APAT"lers;)
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@Des
Still no tournament in our region lobby.
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@Des
Still no tournament in our region lobby.
For me, they are under Tourneys > Private
Also for some reason my filter settings mean that they don"t show unless I switch filters off (just cannot see which filter is blocking them)
That"s not to say that they aren"t regionalised aswell, so you may still have a problem.
Leigh
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excellent super deep stack tourney. But this means i"ll now have no excuses for being crap
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may have been covered, but i cant read the whole 12 pages,
the $10+$1 each sunday will this be played for as prizes for that tourney or is some being held back to cover the added seats? If its all being played for could you not hold back say $1 from each $10 and add more seats?
TBF im not fussed either way just asking
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Finally, been waiting for Season 6 for ages. Couldn"t do a thing for last season, this online series is mine to bubble.
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may have been covered, but i cant read the whole 12 pages,
the $10+$1 each sunday will this be played for as prizes for that tourney or is some being held back to cover the added seats? If its all being played for could you not hold back say $1 from each $10 and add more seats?
TBF im not fussed either way just asking
The $10 each week gets paid out as per Pokerstars normal payout.
All of the UKIPT, Sunday Millions and Sunday KickOff seats are added value on top, courtesy of our friends at Pokerstars. ;)
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nice lol :o :o :o
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@Des
Still no tournament in our region lobby.
For me, they are under Tourneys > Private
Also for some reason my filter settings mean that they don"t show unless I switch filters off (just cannot see which filter is blocking them)
That"s not to say that they aren"t regionalised aswell, so you may still have a problem.
Leigh
Seems the same problem like last year with 888. PokerStars scheduled the APAT events only for players from UK/Ireland I guess. I can"t see any APAT event in the moment and allfilters switch off.
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@Des
Still no tournament in our region lobby.
For me, they are under Tourneys > Private
Also for some reason my filter settings mean that they don"t show unless I switch filters off (just cannot see which filter is blocking them)
That"s not to say that they aren"t regionalised aswell, so you may still have a problem.
Leigh
Seems the same problem like last year with 888. PokerStars scheduled the APAT events only for players from UK/Ireland I guess. I can"t see any APAT event in the moment and allfilters switch off.
My contact is away at the moment Achim, but I will get somebody to look at this in the interim.
Regards,
Des.
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Early days yet, but there look like there will be a couple of massive teams in this seasons league, and one or two smaller ones. Will these smaller teams be amalgamated to make them more competetive?
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Early days yet, but there look like there will be a couple of massive teams in this seasons league, and one or two smaller ones. Will these smaller teams be amalgamated to make them more competetive?
No. It"s up to the regions with the lower numbers to recruit hard.
All regions are much more even, in principle, in size and catchment potential
Obviously a few of the very established teams from last year have a head start with initial numbers
Lets give it a chance
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@Des
Still no tournament in our region lobby.
For me, they are under Tourneys > Private
Also for some reason my filter settings mean that they don"t show unless I switch filters off (just cannot see which filter is blocking them)
That"s not to say that they aren"t regionalised aswell, so you may still have a problem.
Leigh
Seems the same problem like last year with 888. PokerStars scheduled the APAT events only for players from UK/Ireland I guess. I can"t see any APAT event in the moment and allfilters switch off.
My contact is away at the moment Achim, but I will get somebody to look at this in the interim.
Regards,
Des.
Thanks Des, all is ok now!
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@Des
Still no tournament in our region lobby.
For me, they are under Tourneys > Private
Also for some reason my filter settings mean that they don"t show unless I switch filters off (just cannot see which filter is blocking them)
That"s not to say that they aren"t regionalised aswell, so you may still have a problem.
Leigh
Seems the same problem like last year with 888. PokerStars scheduled the APAT events only for players from UK/Ireland I guess. I can"t see any APAT event in the moment and allfilters switch off.
My contact is away at the moment Achim, but I will get somebody to look at this in the interim.
Regards,
Des.
Thanks Des, all is ok now!
Excellent, might be worth posting that "tip" in your captain"s thread Achim, in case any of your players are having similar problems.
Regards,
Des.
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Early days yet, but there look like there will be a couple of massive teams in this seasons league, and one or two smaller ones. Will these smaller teams be amalgamated to make them more competetive?
No. It"s up to the regions with the lower numbers to recruit hard.
All regions are much more even, in principle, in size and catchment potential
Obviously a few of the very established teams from last year have a head start with initial numbers
Lets give it a chance
Correct tighty, Solent won a league game with only 8 players last season so its quality and not quantity, remember there are only 18 positions to score points
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Doh, Sorry, I read Des's post as you would have to play on a new account to play with APAT.
forgive senility sneaking up..........
lol i thought the same thing!!
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Please feel free to post your thoughts or questions in this thread.
Ive registered,but cant find the password to enter the first league game on PS. Can you help me please?
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Please feel free to post your thoughts or questions in this thread.
Ive registered,but cant find the password to enter the first league game on PS. Can you help me please?
apatmember
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This probs been answered already somewhere:
15 consecutive weeks from 11 Mar 12 - what about the weekend(s) that have a Live championship?
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This probs been answered already somewhere:
15 consecutive weeks from 11 Mar 12 - what about the weekend(s) that have a Live championship?
Will still go ahead, pokerstars on the iphone it is.
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Hey Guys Im new to Apat so bear with me please if the questions sound ridiculous. Can i play with an existing stars account? and is there a limit to the number of players per region or is it just as many as possible but only top x score points for the region? I love the sound of this and would happily represent scotland in the league. As i said not been in the apat community for a LONG tim (1 event in season 1) so not clued up on how we operate here. Cheers guys
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Hey Guys Im new to Apat so bear with me please if the questions sound ridiculous. Can i play with an existing stars account? and is there a limit to the number of players per region or is it just as many as possible but only top x score points for the region? I love the sound of this and would happily represent scotland in the league. As i said not been in the apat community for a LONG tim (1 event in season 1) so not clued up on how we operate here. Cheers guys
Hey mate, yea you can play with an existing account..... there is no limit to the numbers in a team...... and i"ll clarify the points system soon ;) For now you can register for team Scotland here....... http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=10368.0
And catch up on other team scotland goings on here..... http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?board=116.0
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Des
Didn"t want to post on the T"s & C"s thread, but it"s not clear what happens to team points if one team gets 6 players into the top 27. Does the team point scoring then go down to 28 and so on like last year?
Matt
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Des
Didn"t want to post on the T"s & C"s thread, but it"s not clear what happens to team points if one team gets 6 players into the top 27. Does the team point scoring then go down to 28 and so on like last year?
Matt
Yes for the team points but will keep individual points
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Des
Didn"t want to post on the T"s & C"s thread, but it"s not clear what happens to team points if one team gets 6 players into the top 27. Does the team point scoring then go down to 28 and so on like last year?
Matt
That"s correct Matt.
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Des
Didn"t want to post on the T"s & C"s thread, but it"s not clear what happens to team points if one team gets 6 players into the top 27. Does the team point scoring then go down to 28 and so on like last year?
Matt
That"s correct Matt.
Thanks
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for me this league the clock is too long and the starting stack is 2 big for a sunday night but good luck to all playing it
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i cant see the tourny, where is it on pokerstars?
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i cant see the tourny, where is it on pokerstars?
Tourny / Private - scroll down to 7pm WET. or sort alphabetically by tournament name and all of the APAT events are together near the top.
If that doesn"t work, check your tournament filters.
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i cant see the tourny, where is it on pokerstars?
Tourny / Private - scroll down to 7pm WET. or sort alphabetically by tournament name and all of the APAT events are together near the top.
If that doesn"t work, check your tournament filters.
cheers mate, worked a treat, sunday millions and this should hopefully be a fun night
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GL tonight everyone, glad the new season now ready to go 8)
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Only 366 in so far.
Disappointing, hoped for more
( ;))
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Is the starting stack and blinds a bit on the deep side?
What time would you expect the games to finish?
Roughly:
Assuming 200-250 runners then the game will take between 6 to 6.5 hours, so finish between 2-2:30 am.
Assuming 150-200 runners then the game will take between 5.5 to 6 hours, so finish between 1:30-2 am.
Assuming 100-150 runners then the game will take between 5 to 5.5 hours, so finish between 1-1:30 am.
350 - 400 runners? just in time for breakfast ;)
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550 runners, and the game took 8 hours. :o