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Poker Forum => Online Archive => Online Poker => National Online League => Topic started by: Swinebag on February 27, 2012, 22:43:37 PM
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Just had a look at the team numbers and wondered if there are to be any regions joined up to help balance out the numbers?
It seems that our own NW, SE and Scotland are allright jack, but a lot of the teams seem to be relatively short. This may dampen a bit of enthusiasm and I can see some of the less populated teams giving up pretty early in this.
Or....
do people think that even the small teams are big enough to have an impact and negate the numerical disadvantage?
thoughts?
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One season Liverpool had around 50% more players signed up than Walsall had - that was around 35 or so for them and about 20-25 of us. I remember one week when only 2 or 3 Liverpool played, but in general they found it hard to field a core team. Every week 11 or 12 Walsall always played, usually the same players.
It"s not about the registrations it"s about who actually joins in. Right now it"s looking a bit skewed but in practice it might not turn out that way. I think it"s better to wait and see what happens. Still ages off yet..........
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Have to agree with Andy.
Numbers might seem a bit high with some teams at the moment but it will all even out in the long run.
My SW team has about avg numbers but I am more than confident we will be in the top 3.
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"I have a dream"
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I think we have to give this time
Of course some established teams and groupings have a head start, but the opportunity for all the captains given the catchement areas is the same, just it will take time for the newer regions to get the numbers where they want them
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I had a chat about this the other night.... i don"t think smaller teams are at a disadvantage, infact, quite the opposite.
That said it would be nice for all teams to be roughly same numbers but that"s up to the team captains to push recruitment imo. I"m sure they will drive the numbers up. ;)
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This talk is a bit premature IMO. It"s set up as best as possible and we should just roll with it. I mean I"d take 1 Yorkshireman over 5 Scots or Mancs anyway....
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I had a chat about this the other night.... i don"t think smaller teams are at a disadvantage, infact, quite the opposite.
Would love to hear the logic on this one Sef?
I see some discontent in London.... but I agree LOADS of time left for captains to recruit and level the playing field x
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This talk is a bit premature IMO. It"s set up as best as possible and we should just roll with it. I mean I"d take 1 Yorkshireman over 5 Scots or Mancs anyway....
Well said ;)
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I had a chat about this the other night.... i don"t think smaller teams are at a disadvantage, infact, quite the opposite.
Would love to hear the logic on this one Sef?
I see some discontent in London.... but I agree LOADS of time left for captains to recruit and level the playing field x
First time i"ve had a request for my weird logic, not sure if anyone else will understand it. :D
The more players in a team means the more chance of the same team at one table therefore 5 players from the bigger team, 2 from team b and 1 each of 2 other teams.. I think the 2 single team players have the advantage in terms of 1. knocking out the other team players as theres more of them. and 2. other teams knocking each other out while they sit there racking up the points.
Make sense? lol
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I had a chat about this the other night.... i don"t think smaller teams are at a disadvantage, infact, quite the opposite.
Would love to hear the logic on this one Sef?
I see some discontent in London.... but I agree LOADS of time left for captains to recruit and level the playing field x
First time i"ve had a request for my weird logic, not sure if anyone else will understand it. :D
The more players in a team means the more chance of the same team at one table therefore 5 players from the bigger team, 2 from team b and 1 each of 2 other teams.. I think the 2 single team players have the advantage in terms of 1. knocking out the other team players as theres more of them. and 2. other teams knocking each other out while they sit there racking up the points.
Make sense? lol
To you it probably does :D
Weight of numbers just means that the more members a team has the more chance they"ll score points and the more chance they"ll score higher points.
I don"t think there"s any need to try and achieve exactly equal teams though - particularly as it"s the number that participate that matter rather than the nominal number of members - but also because as long as no team isn"t especially tiny then they should all have a chance.
And given the region sizes there"s no reason why any team should end up being particularly small.
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I think we have to give this time
Of course some established teams and groupings have a head start, but the opportunity for all the captains given the catchement areas is the same, just it will take time for the newer regions to get the numbers where they want them
Would have to disagree on this scotland catchment area / established teams is a lot larger than anyone elses .
Must be strange for scotland to be favourites at something :)
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I think we have to give this time
Of course some established teams and groupings have a head start, but the opportunity for all the captains given the catchement areas is the same, just it will take time for the newer regions to get the numbers where they want them
Would have to disagree on this scotland catchment area / established teams is a lot larger than anyone elses .
Must be strange for scotland to be favourites at something :)
No kidding - it stretches all the way to Leeds!! ;)
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I think we have to give this time
Of course some established teams and groupings have a head start, but the opportunity for all the captains given the catchement areas is the same, just it will take time for the newer regions to get the numbers where they want them
Would have to disagree on this scotland catchment area / established teams is a lot larger than anyone elses .
Must be strange for scotland to be favourites at something :)
I"m right
Populations of English regions, Scotland and Wales (source 2010 UK Gov estimates)
- South East 8m
- London 7.1m
- North West 6,2m
- East 5.3m
- West Midlands 5.2m
- Yorkshire and the Humber 4.9m
- South West 4.9m
- East Midlands 2.5m
- North East 2.1m
Scotland 5.2m
Wales 3.06m
5 of the APAT Catchment areas are larger than Scotland in terms of population
Yes they have established teams, notably Glasgow, but so do some others
Its up to London etc to recruit as hard, and level the playing field....
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In fairness half of the Scottish team are not actually populating there...
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In fairness half of the Scottish tram are not actually populating there...
And the other half are looking for an opportunity to leave.
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In fairness half of the Scottish tram are not actually populating there...
In the interest of fairness I think you will find that 95%+ of the scottish team are populating there ;)
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In fairness half of the Scottish team are not actually populating there...
really? I think it"s more like 2%
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I think we have to give this time
Of course some established teams and groupings have a head start, but the opportunity for all the captains given the catchement areas is the same, just it will take time for the newer regions to get the numbers where they want them
Would have to disagree on this scotland catchment area / established teams is a lot larger than anyone elses .
Must be strange for scotland to be favourites at something :)
NW has 1million more people than Scotland.
And we are pretty good at Elephant polo too :)
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I"m rarely in favour of anything I can"t easily spell after a night on the town.
So no halmin, algin, aliming...merging teams.
tygnihaw x
;D
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This thread does make me chuckle.
We could just play North v South and have done with it. I can understand the sentiment of wanting a level playing fiield for the teams, but I think now that it has gone to regions, the areas are big enough that it is going to come down to which teams spread the word and recuit players. (Which is never a bad thing)
I also had to laugh at Tighty"s stats. All those that commented about me "throwing toys out of the pram" about which team you could play for will see that I"ve chosen a much smaller populated area than either the South West or South East that I could have shown allegiance to.
I must be mad, or maybe it wasn"t all about the winning. ;)
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come on scotland
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNLyZ17imyM[/youtube]
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Scotland may have the biggest team so far but lets face it guys and gals - we have Ironside ffs
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well the general consensus is that there is no problem. This makes me happy. It was just a query based on the numbers.
Lets get it on
NWFTW!!
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I can"t see the relevance of population statistics to this, other than stating that the regions are broadly comparable in population size. The most relevant factor is the number of active APAT players (or potential players likely to brought in by current players) clustered in an area. Any area of 100,000? (prob a lot less) could support a team if the player concentration is right. Comparing the winning potential of such large areas on the basis that one has a population of Xm and another has 2Xm is completely spurious.
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We could just play North v South and have done with it.
Then Stuart would probably want to play for the South.
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Size isnt everything... but it helps lol, i aint scared of the size of the teams, its all about the quality. I remember Solent doing very well last year with a very small team and actually winning a match last season with only 8 players AND having the player of the season 5. Bring it on u biggies!!!!! :P
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Scotland had the biggest team so far because the captain and team work on recruitment instead of complaining on here. ;) ..... nuff said ;D
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I can"t see the relevance of population statistics to this, other than stating that the regions are broadly comparable in population size. The most relevant factor is the number of active APAT players (or potential players likely to brought in by current players) clustered in an area. Any area of 100,000? (prob a lot less) could support a team if the player concentration is right. Comparing the winning potential of such large areas on the basis that one has a population of Xm and another has 2Xm is completely spurious.
Not at all. As valid as anything else
eg...
London is a huge region. It happens to be grossly under-represented in terms of Active APAT players. for that captain, and teammates, therein lies the opportunityto get competitive by serious recruitment
Scotland is smaller in terms of catchment area than some other teams. However it has an established group of motivated players who bask in very cleverly seeded notions of national pride that are invoked such that everyone signs up, including those who once watched Braveheart or an Old Firm Derby on TV and dream at night of the smell of deep fried mars bars and decided they hailed from Glasgow. Admirable stuff
I would hope that head start would not persist, as others catch up on numbers
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I can"t see the relevance of population statistics to this, other than stating that the regions are broadly comparable in population size. The most relevant factor is the number of active APAT players (or potential players likely to brought in by current players) clustered in an area. Any area of 100,000? (prob a lot less) could support a team if the player concentration is right. Comparing the winning potential of such large areas on the basis that one has a population of Xm and another has 2Xm is completely spurious.
Not at all. As valid as anything else
eg...
London is a huge region. It happens to be grossly under-represented in terms of Active APAT players. for that captain, and teammates, therein lies the opportunityto get competitive by serious recruitment
Scotland is smaller in terms of catchment area than some other teams. However it has an established group of motivated players who bask in very cleverly seeded notions of national pride that are invoked such that everyone signs up, including those who once watched Braveheart or an Old Firm Derby on TV and dream at night of the smell of deep fried mars bars and decided they hailed from Glasgow. Admirable stuff
I would hope that head start would not persist, as others catch up on numbers
Ahhh deep fried mars bars....... *sef drifts off to the days of his youth* :D :D
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Deep fried Mars Bars ewwwwwww yuk :D
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I can"t see the relevance of population statistics to this, other than stating that the regions are broadly comparable in population size. The most relevant factor is the number of active APAT players (or potential players likely to brought in by current players) clustered in an area. Any area of 100,000? (prob a lot less) could support a team if the player concentration is right. Comparing the winning potential of such large areas on the basis that one has a population of Xm and another has 2Xm is completely spurious.
Not at all. As valid as anything else
eg...
London is a huge region. It happens to be grossly under-represented in terms of Active APAT players. for that captain, and teammates, therein lies the opportunityto get competitive by serious recruitment
Scotland is smaller in terms of catchment area than some other teams. However it has an established group of motivated players who bask in very cleverly seeded notions of national pride that are invoked such that everyone signs up, including those who once watched Braveheart or an Old Firm Derby on TV and dream at night of the smell of deep fried mars bars and decided they hailed from Glasgow. Admirable stuff
I would hope that head start would not persist, as others catch up on numbers
and Tighty, the Scottish Borders which includes Galashiels and Hawick IS in Scotland. ;D
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Scotland had the biggest team so far because the captain and team work on recruitment instead of complaining on here. ;) ..... nuff said ;D
Really ?????
On sign ups scotland have 9 first posts on their sign up and northwest have 16 !!
Scotland have the most players already with apat so if they recruiting as hard surely they should have more apat virgins NOT nearly half !
(not sure about other teams just checked the scots with their unfounded statements lol )
Prob bad tactics on my part sure you will treble your efforts now lad !
nuff said ;)
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Scotland had the biggest team so far because the captain and team work on recruitment instead of complaining on here. ;) ..... nuff said ;D
Really ?????
On sign ups scotland have 9 first posts on their sign up and northwest have 16 !!
Scotland have the most players already with apat so if they recruiting as hard surely they should have more apat virgins NOT nearly half !
(not sure about other teams just checked the scots with their unfounded statements lol )
Prob bad tactics on my part sure you will treble your efforts now lad !
nuff said ;)
Quite a pointless half assed assessment mate. ;) Are you saying recruiting for teams is based on just new sign ups? Or would you say that existing members that aint really been involved in previous leagues being pulled into the team would count? I would go with the latter which would make all previous comments founded and leave no need for tripling, already great, efforts. ;)
Maybe if people concentrated in growing their own team instead of trying to discredit scotlands there would be no issues with the teams. ;D
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I"m going to lock this discussion as it is completely pointless and starting to veer away from the spirit of competition we are promoting.