Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: AAroddersAA on June 04, 2012, 20:59:48 PM
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This section is getting a bit more use these days which is very good news. Wanted to put some hands on to help to keep it interesting and I think we all can improve our games looking through these.
I played online holdem cash for the first time for a while on the weekend. Came across this hand I am not that impressed by how I played but would like some thoughts. It is micro stakes Zoom Poker and the average player is loose/passive really, although not as bad as some people would have you believe. People generally play their hands face up and people don"t raise enough and almost never 3-bet light. I don"t expect most of them to know any of this though.
I have no read on the player in question other than the action.
PokerStars Zoom Hand #81436569687: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2012/06/03 19:44:52 WET [2012/06/03 14:44:52 ET]
Table "Tamariwa" 6-max
Seat 1: Toinster ($12.45 in chips)
Seat 2: 33teetwo33 ($10.23 in chips)
Seat 3: MaestroATM ($13.79 in chips)
Seat 4: antenorCZ ($14.52 in chips)
Seat 5: mrwheeler3 ($14.93 in chips)
Seat 6: thesnowflake ($21.08 in chips)
33teetwo33: posts small blind $0.05
MaestroATM: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 33teetwo33 [Js Th]
antenorCZ: raises $0.10 to $0.20
mrwheeler3: folds
thesnowflake: folds
Toinster: folds
What do we do here out of position (we are SB). I will give people time to respond before posting the next section at some time tomorrow.
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Min raise utg in Zoom could be either AA, 22 or anything in between so I"m likely to fold or raise rather than call. If called, lets hope for a favourable flop ;)
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Fold
Hand is vaguely playable with reads, but in rush zoom poker i doubt we have that luxury
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I like the 3 bet here, even without reads. A lot of players try and exploit the nittiness that goes with these games by min raising light. Fold is fine though. Call isn"t completely terrible but is the worst option by a long way.
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Readless and oop its a fold for me. Low Broadways seem like the nut worst combos to be 3bn an utg range, esp at this level where ppl r rarely folding pre, rarely folding pairs, and have us dominated a decent amount.
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OOP with Js 10h to a raise and no reads... I"m folding pre
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Fold, calling in spots like these from the sb is a loser and at micros I don"t think you need to 3bet bluff vs utg opens to win
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Good responses as ever. It seems that fold > raise > call.
Being a big fish I obviously call
33teetwo33: calls $0.15
MaestroATM: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs Kc 3h]
33teetwo33: checks
antenorCZ: bets $0.30
33teetwo33:
A couple of points here, do we like the check? What do we do now?
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Not many better flops you could hit tbh so I"m check raising that flop. If called and you miss, opponent may fire another, but may also give you a free river. Call on flop is fine but could scream of a draw and may not get you value if you hit, does keep it cheap though.
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Raise and get it in vs a 4bet looks standard to me
Still folding pre though
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I"d rather lead at this flop so we have the betting lead down the streets. As played c/r is good as we assume villain is gng to lead his entire range here, so we have plenty of f/e. Think when we are 100x deep tho, our c/r value range is actually a lot more narrow, so we are repping relatively thin vs a thinking opponent.
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I would just be check calling now.
If we 3bet then assume we will be getting it in as would hate to 3bet fold this hand. If we get it in on the flop then we are never ahead.
I don"t want to be playing big pots out of position with no pair.
People generally play their hands face up and people don"t raise enough and almost never 3-bet light. I don"t expect most of them to know any of this though.
Assuming that this is true, stacking off with a draw is unnecessary when you can grind easy money in other spots.
Good thread.
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I"d check call 1 street unless I had a read that villain c-bets small with no hand
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*** FLOP *** [Qs Kc 3h]
33teetwo33: checks
antenorCZ: bets $0.30
33teetwo33: raises $0.70 to $1
antenorCZ: calls $0.70
*** TURN *** [Qs Kc 3h] [9c]
33teetwo33: ???????
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Bet $2
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pre im folding 100% of the time, even at normal 6 max, let alone zoom. On that flop i dont mind check calling or check raising, or even donk betting to induce a raise.
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I"m betting about $1.50 here, looking to keep villain interested as he appears to have a piece of this (poss even KQ). Obv hoping he thinks he"s ahead and going to do the raising for us ;)
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just keep betting, 2/3 pot will do
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just keep betting, 2/3 pot will do
You have to bet here - I agree 2/3 pot seems right, the st8 could look pretty well hidden due to the flop C/R.
River comes spade and you vomit??
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No need for cleverness - Bet and keep betting.not really that fussed in about giving him wrong odds to call with draws or anything I just want to build pot and get the money in - he pays you off with nearly anything he"s holding now
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I"m in favour of an overbet here to feign a bit of weakness. Suspect he"s tied to Kc Qh / Ac Kh type hands.
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just keep betting, 2/3 pot will do
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As I"m forever the pessimist I"ll say and you"re up against a flopped set.. and the rivers going to pair the board...
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I"m in favour of an overbet here to feign a bit of weakness. Suspect he"s tied to Kc Qh / Ac Kh type hands.
My thoughts also - I"m definitely betting closer to pot than half pot.
Villain is either going to continue, or he isn"t - 60% to 80% pot is not suddenly going to change the range of hands he"ll continue with, so go for as much value as you dare.
In earlier news. Fold pre. Yes people will min-raise open light in Rush/Zoom. But I"ll still give credit to an UTG raise.
Check-call the flop, check-raising is horrible imo - throwing away all your implied odds. The only upside is you"re stopping him firing a second barrel with JJ or worse, if someone is doing that at 5c/10c then good for them - I"d rather call and spike (that"s if I"ve not folded pre)
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I dont think check raising is horrible (but then you have to be prepared to play for stacks, because folding after u have CR is not great) I actually prefer check raising, rather than check calling, then check folding brick turns.
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Excellent responses guys.
I actually led the turn for $2 and he folded. I think I should have folded pre though. However I played the whole hand badly but discussing hands where you know you have made errors in very useful imo.
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I"m in favour of an overbet here to feign a bit of weakness. Suspect he"s tied to Kc Qh / Ac Kh type hands.
This
If he is going to call a bet after your C/R, and the 9 hitting he"ll call one of any size. so make it massive!
Oh! and fold pre!