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Title: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: linziwan on February 11, 2008, 14:47:04 PM: After winning two tournaments, starting in a $3 rebuy satellite, to get to the $640 buy in for the Party Poker Million Cruise satellite with packages worth $12,000, I again get within striking distance of winning a seat in a prestigious tournament (only 6 people to go out to a money prize and 9 to the cruise package) I have qq... being so close to the prize I take no chances and raise with it. Get reraised by a donk who has donked off loads of chips and been defending his blind all the way, so i reraise him all in.... he calls with...... a pair of 4s... he hasn"t got many more chips than me and I"m on an average stack. Surprised at the call but thinking where"s me passport I"m gonna double up here.....

.................. you guessed it he hits a four, I have no idea what is happening to my luck over the past 8 months, getting called by all the donks going but just can"t get my hands to hold up. ???

The WSOP satellite - I get crippled with a high pair by a pair of 6s, the EPT package it was a pair of 5s.... and its always like 3 to 6 hours into a tournament with only a fraction of the field remaining and no time to recover.

FRUSTRATION, FRUSTRATION, ..... GRRRRR

Only been on tilt once and that was when the computer (and Blue Square software) played up when I had a very good chance of getting into the top money spots......

But this run of mine is starting to really depress me >:(.

I know statistically that it will stop - anybody know any good psychic"s think I need my karma washed - or something... :)
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: kinboshi on February 11, 2008, 16:28:11 PM: Standard.
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: Zanshin on February 11, 2008, 16:46:58 PM: Quote from: linziwan on February 11, 2008, 14:47:04 PM

Only been on tilt once

Wow.....

Quote from: linziwan on February 11, 2008, 14:47:04 PM

I know statistically that it will stop

You"ve certainly got my sympathy but the above is all you need......

Hope the turn around is soon ;)
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: nosey-p on February 11, 2008, 17:01:49 PM: been there, got the T-shirt

just keep on going

last year was the same, but with some good advice from kinboshi all seems well again.
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: RioRodent on February 11, 2008, 17:11:58 PM: Quote
I have no idea what is happening to my luck over the past 8 months, getting called by all the donks going but just can"t get my hands to hold up.

So you would have been happier to be called by AA or KK? ??? I bet when his hand was revealed you thought, "Hello, happy Xmas!"

You get all your chips in the middle as a 4/1 favourite and you complain about "donks" calling!

Bad Beat story alert!!!
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: Zukertort on February 11, 2008, 17:19:22 PM: Poker variance, good luck, bad luck, donkey players, s**t cards, outdraws, suckouts, unlucky dealers, blah de blah, just the realities of this game we love? Linda, as Dan states these are daily standard happenings in poker which will even out over time. Sometimes we take these setbacks personally and say to ourselves "why me", which can undermine our confidence, if only temporarily? We all need to try & develop a winning poker mindset that understands and accepts these realities. The best book i found to help me in this area is by Ian Taylor & Matthew Hilger called "THE POKER MINDSET".
They list 7 core mental attitudes for success in poker, which if understood & followed will develop your mental game to a higher level. Certainly helped me with my mentality, now i just need to work on how to play!? :D

Kevin
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: linziwan on February 11, 2008, 17:22:44 PM: Quote from: RioRodent on February 11, 2008, 17:11:58 PM

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I have no idea what is happening to my luck over the past 8 months, getting called by all the donks going but just can"t get my hands to hold up.

So you would have been happier to be called by AA or KK? ??? I bet when his hand was revealed you thought, "Hello, happy Xmas!"

You get all your chips in the middle as a 4/1 favourite and you complain about "donks" calling!

Bad Beat story alert!!!

I actually state I was happy but surprised with the call... was already planning the trip..... I was bemoaning the fact that I can"t seem to get my cards to hold up when there"s only 6 people left to go out before i win a $12,000 package.
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: RioRodent on February 11, 2008, 18:05:42 PM: Quote from: linziwan on February 11, 2008, 17:22:44 PM

Quote from: RioRodent on February 11, 2008, 17:11:58 PM

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I have no idea what is happening to my luck over the past 8 months, getting called by all the donks going but just can"t get my hands to hold up.

So you would have been happier to be called by AA or KK? ??? I bet when his hand was revealed you thought, "Hello, happy Xmas!"

You get all your chips in the middle as a 4/1 favourite and you complain about "donks" calling!

Bad Beat story alert!!!

I actually state I was happy but surprised with the call... was already planning the trip..... I was bemoaning the fact that I can"t seem to get my cards to hold up when there"s only 6 people left to go out before i win a $12,000 package.

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think I need my karma washed

Disrespecting other players... bad karma.
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: SirPercival on February 11, 2008, 20:45:12 PM: I remember you calling me a donk (or words to that effect) when I called your ac ad1 with my qc qd. (and hit a qh)

You then proceeded to take pleasure when I was knocked out later in the tourney.

and you believe in Karma..??
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: linziwan on February 11, 2008, 21:16:02 PM: Quote from: Sir_Percival on February 11, 2008, 20:45:12 PM

I remember you calling me a donk (or words to that effect) when I called your ac ad1 with my qc qd. (and hit a qh)

You then proceeded to take pleasure when I was knocked out later in the tourney.

and you believe in Karma..??

Hi there Perc, the words were not "donk" just "lucky b" and I was kidding, but I was ashamed of myself, as I did mention, that I could feel pleasure at your unfortunately dismissal from the tournament, which is why I put a wink in the message LOL. But human nature does prevail and the odd sin (or several) will creep in. Your beating me with the QQs is just among the many hands I have lost very late in tournaments and for a lot more money than the bad beat you put on me.

Say hi at the next National you attend (if I get there) and I will buy you a drink to unruffle your feathers and show you I"m not the bad tempered witch you think I am.

In the meantime Karma is giving me a big kick up the backside... :) and I just have to smile through it and play as well as I can and hope she"ll like me again soon ;D
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: WarBwastardo on February 11, 2008, 21:26:33 PM: "Your beating me with the QQs is just among the many hands I have lost very late in tournaments and for a lot more money than the bad beat you put on me."

That"s doesn"t sound very magnanimous. He didn"t "put a bad beat on you"..once the money goes in it"s down to how the cards fall, it"s out of both players hands.

Have you kept a tally over this same period of how often you won with the worst hand?
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: Maxriddles on February 11, 2008, 22:15:52 PM: Quote from: WarBwastard on February 11, 2008, 21:26:33 PM

Have you kept a tally over this same period of how often you won with the worst hand?

If you do keep a count of anything don"t, whatever you do, be tempted to keep a tally of how often you lose when going in well in front. I was driving myself round the bend not so long ago when I hit a bad run with pocket pair against smaller pocket pair. I noticed that a bad run had started then made the mistake of starting to count them. When I got to the stage of having won 10 times out of 30 as an 80% favourite it was beginning to effect my game, not that I was aware of it at the time, I was given some sound advice which was to stop counting. I also read somewhere that due to variance anything less than 40000 hands is not a particularly meaningful sample.

The only the thing I count now is when I do hit a bad run as, I have in the last couple of weeks I have started to count how often I have got my chips in while ahead. I have found this a useful method for seeking reassurance that I"m making good decisions and it helps keep my confidence in my game intact when the cards come out wrong.
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: Eck on February 12, 2008, 10:04:54 AM: A wise man once said "if you never get your chips in behind i guarantee you will never be a long term winning player"

OK it was flushy that said it so the wise man bit was a bit out but the sentiment is correct.
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: smileriraq on February 12, 2008, 10:08:56 AM: I played 3 games sit n gos last night 1st 2 games I played pretty well but only managed 2nd and 3rs (only 2nd paid) and in both cases got outdrawn on the turn and the river when ahead preflop

3rd game I won but only because I hit on the turn after being behind and it does all even out in the end. I always look at my result s over a period of a month and when all said and done I usually end up with more money than i started with.

If your having a bad run I also reccommend taking a poker break and do other things for a a few days
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: evilpie on February 12, 2008, 11:34:13 AM: Quote from: smileriraq on February 12, 2008, 10:08:56 AM

If your having a bad run I also reccommend taking a poker break and do other things for a a few days

Perhaps a bit of ironing might calm you down ;D ;D

To be fair in such a big satellite comp with only 9 left to the major prize why are you going all in with a pair of queens following this action?

You said you were "taking no chances" so you raised with it. Didn"t you think you were taking a bit of a chance when someone who had you covered reraised you??

I think you can consider yourself lucky that you were actually ahead. I would"ve expected to be no better than a race against AK in this situation. You must"ve known he was going to call so why take the chance?

More of a bad luck story than a poker story so bad luck, better luck next time, blah blah blah, etc. etc. etc................
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: linziwan on February 12, 2008, 13:38:25 PM: Quote from: StuartHopkin on February 12, 2008, 11:15:28 AM

You did come across pretty sour and big headed! What was the line "i came 48th in some ladies comp!!"

Think you may have me mixed up with someone else.... I never actually finished 48th in any ladies comp.....
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: evilpie on February 12, 2008, 14:25:34 PM: Quote from: linziwan on February 12, 2008, 13:38:25 PM

Quote from: StuartHopkin on February 12, 2008, 11:15:28 AM

You did come across pretty sour and big headed! What was the line "i came 48th in some ladies comp!!"

Think you may have me mixed up with someone else.... I never actually finished 48th in any ladies comp.....

Linziwan was saying at the Lithuainian open that she"d won some ladies comp not finished 48th!! (There were only 7 in it ;D)

Apparently this was justification for calling people donks when they beat her or did what she considered as bad play.

I had quite an exciting little discussion with her before someone moaned that it should be saved for the forum not carried on at the final table of a tournament. At this point I apologised and stopped.

Fortunately when you win a competition you have a golden ticket to carry on regardless of what other people think so she got the last word in!!

PS: Linz. Just out of curiosity when you won that tournament did you at any point manage to outdraw anyone when you were behind?? Careful of your answer here you could be setting yourself up to be a donk ;)
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 12, 2008, 18:05:04 PM: Easy guys,

Having read this thread, I believe it was created in the hope of understanding her current poker situation, which can be put down to variance and the poker gods.

I don"t think it needs to turn into a character assasination, which goes against everything apat is about.

Hope it turns round for you linziwan.

Leigh
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: MAIR on February 12, 2008, 18:56:45 PM: Having read the replies to Linzi"s post I am quite shocked at how it has turned into a blatant attack on her.

Where"s the APAT spirit, yes we all have our frustrated moments and sometimes vent, but these responses to her is just taking it too far and has gone wayy off topic from what Linzi had posted about.

Im disgusted.
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: SirPercival on February 12, 2008, 20:27:20 PM: Quote

Say hi at the next National you attend (if I get there) and I will buy you a drink to unruffle your feathers and show you I"m not the bad tempered witch you think I am.

Linz, I can assure you my feathers are not ruffled. If it bothered me what people do or say during or after a poker game then I would have given the game up many years ago.

I don"t, for the record, think you are a bad tempered witch either. I am fully aware of your comments after the event and was quite happy that we were all friends of APAT and it"s values.

All this recent post of mine was trying to point out was that if Karma does exist then saying "nh" "gg" "gl" etc is probably the better option.

I"ll still take you up on that drink though ;)
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: evilpie on February 13, 2008, 01:34:34 AM: I wouldn"t want to be part of anything considered as character assassination so I apologise if my comments appear that way.

Having read them back they are maybe a bit below the belt so again i am sorry.

I must admit to a having a little bug to bare following a mini debate during the Lithuainian open. I wasn"t even involved as I had been knocked out but for some reason felt compelled to say something as some of Linziwan"s comments were in my opinion out of order.

This post just seemed like an opportunity to say my bit which I should not have done. If I"m honest I kind of see internet monikers as names rather than real people. I"m not trying to be personal as I don"t even know who Linziwan is or what her name is (as I"m sure she doesn"t know mine).

So I hope your luck changes Linz and if it doesn"t try to remember that it"s only poker. There"s plenty of worse things that can happen in life so take it on the chin when your aces get cracked and take comfort in the fact that if poker"s the only thing you"ve got to be depressed about you"re pretty well off.

Cheers

Matt (Evilpie) Russell..........

Just so you know ;)
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: StuartHopkin on February 13, 2008, 01:37:07 AM: Cant believe how out of order that evilpie is i havent even posted on this thread! ;D
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: evilpie on February 13, 2008, 01:57:13 AM: Quote from: StuartHopkin on February 13, 2008, 01:37:07 AM

Cant believe how out of order that evilpie is i havent even posted on this thread! ;D

Funny Hopkin.......

......Very funny ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: WarBwastardo on February 15, 2008, 23:04:31 PM: Quote from: Sir_Percival on February 12, 2008, 20:27:20 PM

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Say hi at the next National you attend (if I get there) and I will buy you a drink to unruffle your feathers and show you I"m not the bad tempered witch you think I am.

Linz, I can assure you my feathers are not ruffled. If it bothered me what people do or say during or after a poker game then I would have given the game up many years ago.

I don"t, for the record, think you are a bad tempered witch either. I am fully aware of your comments after the event and was quite happy that we were all friends of APAT and it"s values.

All this recent post of mine was trying to point out was that if Karma does exist then saying "nh" "gg" "gl" etc is probably the better option.

I"ll still take you up on that drink though ;)

This is good advice, I know it can be hard sometimes to hide your contempt for your subordinates in live events, but one of the benefits of online poker is you can type gg, nh, gl thus protecting the integrity of the APAT experience, when you"re really thinking:

[youtube=325,250]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxmJsMzC62U[/youtube]
Title: Re: Depressed, sick as a parrot.....
Post by: George2Loose on February 16, 2008, 08:04:53 AM: I know exactly how you feel Linzi just know that it can last FOREVER.

I"ve been on a three month downward swing with regard to variance and there"s not much you can do.

Played Walsall £100 last night lost with AA on A QQ9 board when my opponent flopped quads.

Long term by it"s very definition can be a very very very long time!

Good luck