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Poker Forum => Online Archive => Online Poker => APAT Online => Topic started by: AMRN on November 11, 2012, 22:53:42 PM
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The way BOSS runs tourney H4H all the way from the bubble to the final table is just plain ridiculous.
Completely kills the structure in the league game - reasonable stack becomes short stack with hardly a hand being played.
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and the funniest thing of all..... some folk are time banking every hand during this extended H4H!! lol
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This is the single most tilting thing about BOSS tourneys. I thought they had fixed this in the last update. Just shows how long it is since I"ve cashed on BOSS.
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The way BOSS runs tourney H4H all the way from the bubble to the final table is just plain ridiculous.
Thinly veiled Brag I cashed ran deep post IMO ;D.
But agree stupid! You would think Boss would iron out a couple of "irritating" software issues like pop ups and H4H. Maybe the powers that be may nudge our concerns to the appropriate quarters?
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2 many things wrong with boss for me steve but i do think the 1st thing they need to sort out is using a random card generator
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2 many things wrong with boss for me steve but i do think the 1st thing they need to sort out is using a random card generator
Oh god, not another "this site is rigged" post. Of course they use a random number generator, otherwise they"d be out of business very quickly!
You"ll also find Sky poker is rigged, as is Pokerstars as is every other one where anyone gets a bad beat. Just look in the chat box, there"ll always be someone telling you how it"s rigged, just after they"ve suffered a bad beat. Strangely they never mention it being rigged when they get lucky but that"s obviously a flaw in the software... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Don"t worry Andy, it"s only big Al. If we believe everything he told us we"d be thinking live poker is rigged too! :o
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To be fair it"s more likely to be rigged than online!
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Don"t worry Andy, it"s only big Al. If we believe everything he told us we"d be thinking live poker is rigged too! :o
It is!!!
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2 many things wrong with boss for me steve but i do think the 1st thing they need to sort out is using a random card generator
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To be fair it"s more likely to be rigged than online!
Particularly if self dealt.
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2 many things wrong with boss for me steve but i do think the 1st thing they need to sort out is using a random card generator
Oh god, not another "this site is rigged" post. Of course they use a random number generator, otherwise they"d be out of business very quickly!
You"ll also find Sky poker is rigged, as is Pokerstars as is every other one where anyone gets a bad beat. Just look in the chat box, there"ll always be someone telling you how it"s rigged, just after they"ve suffered a bad beat. Strangely they never mention it being rigged when they get lucky but that"s obviously a flaw in the software... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I dont thinked "rigged" is the best word to describe it. TBH I have found that there are far more bad beats on the BOSS network than there are on Pokerstars, Im not talking about bad beats against me, Im talking about the BB I see just at the tables Im playing. Ofcourse there will be BBs where ever you play - Online or Live, but this network does have much,much more than I ever see on Pokerstars. I can be watchting an all-in hand and far too often I can predict the turn and river. Having said that all you have to do is adjust, I have played countless APAT tourneys online with all the various sponsors and have been reletivley successful sticking to my game, but I have to be honest when I play on this network I dont play Poker as such, I tend to "play the site".
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I dont play Poker as such, I tend to "play the site".
Quote of the year.
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Seriously, people it was a tongue in cheek comment.
Do you REALLY think that Matt or Des would operate a site on a network that was in anyway "shady"?
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Seriously, people it was a tongue in cheek comment.
Do you REALLY think that Matt or Des would operate a site on a network that was in anyway "shady"?
Des "Dodgy" Duffy @ Matt " Devious" Dale... Never no Never
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2 many things wrong with boss for me steve but i do think the 1st thing they need to sort out is using a random card generator
Oh god, not another "this site is rigged" post. Of course they use a random number generator, otherwise they"d be out of business very quickly!
You"ll also find Sky poker is rigged, as is Pokerstars as is every other one where anyone gets a bad beat. Just look in the chat box, there"ll always be someone telling you how it"s rigged, just after they"ve suffered a bad beat. Strangely they never mention it being rigged when they get lucky but that"s obviously a flaw in the software... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I dont thinked "rigged" is the best word to describe it. TBH I have found that there are far more bad beats on the BOSS network than there are on Pokerstars, Im not talking about bad beats against me, Im talking about the BB I see just at the tables Im playing. Ofcourse there will be BBs where ever you play - Online or Live, but this network does have much,much more than I ever see on Pokerstars. I can be watchting an all-in hand and far too often I can predict the turn and river. Having said that all you have to do is adjust, I have played countless APAT tourneys online with all the various sponsors and have been reletivley successful sticking to my game, but I have to be honest when I play on this network I dont play Poker as such, I tend to "play the site".
Based on how many hands??? Need some hard numbers to back this up. If I could have 10p for everytime I predicted a river card, I would have retired by now. Luckily I don"t have to pay 10p everytime I"m wrong
These posts are of "holocaust denial" standards
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2 many things wrong with boss for me steve but i do think the 1st thing they need to sort out is using a random card generator
Oh god, not another "this site is rigged" post. Of course they use a random number generator, otherwise they"d be out of business very quickly!
You"ll also find Sky poker is rigged, as is Pokerstars as is every other one where anyone gets a bad beat. Just look in the chat box, there"ll always be someone telling you how it"s rigged, just after they"ve suffered a bad beat. Strangely they never mention it being rigged when they get lucky but that"s obviously a flaw in the software... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Andy
Let"s be honest you know as well as I do it is rigged. I do wish you would stop posting denials though. You will draw peoples attention to it and somebody will come along and unrig it. Then where will we be????
I see no reason why I should have to play without the software/dealers rigged in my favour. I would almost certainly lose I am sure, which would be totally unfair. Please keep quiet about it in the future.
Much appreciated, have fun outdrawing people on Stars
Rodders
Do hope I got this PM right I never figured out how to send them properly.
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Guys,
Im not saying its rigged, Im saying that it does not have the same feel of randomness as a site like Stars. I know nothing at all about RNGs but I could bet that BOSS doesnt use the same software as PS.
If not -why?
I know its not rigged to get my money and give it to someone else, but there is something about the amount of premium hands I see. ( 2 Royal flushes at the same table, etc,etc) I fully understand that anything is possible but if you toss a coin 100 times and 90 times its heads, there is something wrong with that coin.
"play the site" is simply if I have a lot more chips than my opponent I can call comfortably knowing I will more than likely hit. ( this happens way too much)
FWIW Having a casino background, believe me - when it comes to money, there IS corruption. Is Poker immune to greed? How many high profile Poker Pros have been accused of cheating?
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2 many things wrong with boss for me steve but i do think the 1st thing they need to sort out is using a random card generator
Oh god, not another "this site is rigged" post. Of course they use a random number generator, otherwise they"d be out of business very quickly!
You"ll also find Sky poker is rigged, as is Pokerstars as is every other one where anyone gets a bad beat. Just look in the chat box, there"ll always be someone telling you how it"s rigged, just after they"ve suffered a bad beat. Strangely they never mention it being rigged when they get lucky but that"s obviously a flaw in the software... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Andy
Let"s be honest you know as well as I do it is rigged. I do wish you would stop posting denials though. You will draw peoples attention to it and somebody will come along and unrig it. Then where will we be????
I see no reason why I should have to play without the software/dealers rigged in my favour. I would almost certainly lose I am sure, which would be totally unfair. Please keep quiet about it in the future.
Much appreciated, have fun outdrawing people on Stars
Rodders
Do hope I got this PM right I never figured out how to send them properly.
Post of the Thread.
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Kinda got away from the H4H subject matter ?
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Kinda got away from the H4H subject matter ?
Just filling in the time whilst waiting for the next hand to start.
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I fully understand that anything is possible but if you toss a coin 100 times and 90 times its heads, there is something wrong with that coin.
Really? Why?
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I fully understand that anything is possible but if you toss a coin 100 times and 90 times its heads, there is something wrong with that coin.
If you tossed it another 100 times and it came out tails on 90 of them...is there still something wrong with it?
Someone truly doesn"t understand the Law of large numbers
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I fully understand that anything is possible but if you toss a coin 100 times and 90 times its heads, there is something wrong with that coin.
If you tossed it another 100 times and it came out tails on 90 of them...is there still something wrong with it?
Someone truly doesn"t understand the Law of large numbers
Someone truly doesn"t understand the Law of large numbers...???
What Law would this be then?
Toss any coin you like 100 times, once its hit any side 90% post the result. If you understand the Law of averages - you really shouldnt bother.
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I fully understand that anything is possible but if you toss a coin 100 times and 90 times its heads, there is something wrong with that coin.
If you tossed it another 100 times and it came out tails on 90 of them...is there still something wrong with it?
Someone truly doesn"t understand the Law of large numbers
Someone truly doesn"t understand the Law of large numbers...???
What Law would this be then?
Toss any coin you like 100 times, once its hit any side 90% post the result. If you understand the Law of averages - you really shouldnt bother.
100 times is not enough to say that though.
Yes I agree there is a good chance there is something wrong with the coin at this point, it is by no means certain as your sample size is to small. Try it a few times, it is not unusual for a coin to hit one or the other 70 times out of 100 so 90/100 is not THAT much of a stretch.
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If you understand averages, this is the perfect time to start calling heads cos it is so overdue. Get in heavy on heads over the next 100 tosses and you are almost guaranteed to clean up.
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Yes I agree there is a good chance there is something wrong with the coin at this point...
That"s just like declaring a poker site to be rigged because we have a bad run and lose lots of races! If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. The law of probability says that a coin will land tails as many times as it lands heads, over time... however the law of probability is not a guarantee that it will land either way.
Anyway back to the original purpose of the thread, I think the extended H4H on BOSS is a joke. :D
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If you understand averages, this is the perfect time to start calling heads cos it is so overdue. Get in heavy on heads over the next 100 tosses and you are almost guaranteed to clean up.
Unless the coin is indeed faulty, rigged, dodgy etc
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Yes I agree there is a good chance there is something wrong with the coin at this point...
That"s just like declaring a poker site to be rigged because we have a bad run and lose lots of races! If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. The law of probability says that a coin will land tails as many times as it lands heads, over time... however the law of probability is not a guarantee that it will land either way.
I dont think any poker site that I have played on is rigged, but there seems to be sites that have far too many premiun hands far too often - is this down to RNGs? I dont know.
If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. Im afraid it does because this would never ever happen unless you use a dodgy coin.
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I dont think any poker site that I have played on is rigged, but there seems to be sites that have far too many premiun hands far too often - is this down to RNGs? I dont know.
If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. Im afraid it does because this would never ever happen unless you use a dodgy coin.
Sorry, but that"s crap. If it"s a random flip, it can land either way. There is no mandate within the law of probability or the concept of random, to state that it must land one way or the other - the clue is the random bit.... random means it can fall either way, and if it falls heads 100 times in a row, that does not in itself prove that the coin is faulty.
Similarly, the R in RNG stands for Random. You say that a poker site is not rigged, but that it gives too many premium hands - you contradict yourself there. It"s either rigged to provide lots of premium hands, or it"s random. It can"t be both. (and in this day and age of utter integrity and transparency, I doubt any poker site can afford to be anything other than truly random)
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If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. Im afraid it does because this would never ever happen unless you use a dodgy coin.
I just thought it meant you"re a useless tosser
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Yes I agree there is a good chance there is something wrong with the coin at this point...
That"s just like declaring a poker site to be rigged because we have a bad run and lose lots of races! If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. The law of probability says that a coin will land tails as many times as it lands heads, over time... however the law of probability is not a guarantee that it will land either way.
Anyway back to the original purpose of the thread, I think the extended H4H on BOSS is a joke. :D
Wait a minute, that quote entirely misrepresents my post and position on the question. Read the rest of the post and I had already pretty much said what you said here.
Of course it"s possible to get the same result in 100 straight fair flips, but if they are part of one billion flips where the coin proves to be fair it is not a problem and almost expected.
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I doubt any poker site can afford to be anything other than truly random)
Without getting into a lot more, there is no such thing as truly random with an RNG.
The algorithms used are incredibly complex and based in inordinately high numbers but if there were such at thing as a true RNG...then all the sites would use the same one*.
* and people would still moan about them.
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I dont think any poker site that I have played on is rigged, but there seems to be sites that have far too many premiun hands far too often - is this down to RNGs? I dont know.
If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. Im afraid it does because this would never ever happen unless you use a dodgy coin.
Sorry, but that"s crap. If it"s a random flip, it can land either way. There is no mandate within the law of probability or the concept of random, to state that it must land one way or the other - the clue is the random bit.... random means it can fall either way, and if it falls heads 100 times in a row, that does not in itself prove that the coin is faulty.
Similarly, the R in RNG stands for Random. You say that a poker site is not rigged, but that it gives too many premium hands - you contradict yourself there. It"s either rigged to provide lots of premium hands, or it"s random. It can"t be both. (and in this day and age of utter integrity and transparency, I doubt any poker site can afford to be anything other than truly random)
WOW I dont think you quite get it. 100 flips = 100 heads is it possible? YES
Is it EVER going to happen? NO, never ever, ever,ever.
Are all RNGs the same? If so, then I admit it must be my imagination that some sites seemto have more premium hands far too often.
If all RNGs arent the same, what makes them different and what are the outcomes of these differences?
The integrity and transparency bit - dont be fooled.
I worked in the casino game for about 15 years and although I never seen anything illegal from the casino side, they have tactics that are morally wrong. That doesnt mean all casinos use certain "tricks of the trade" but some certainly do.
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WOW I dont think you quite get it. 100 flips = 100 heads is it possible? YES
Is it EVER going to happen? NO, never ever, ever,ever.
Just
So
Wrong
If so, then I admit it must be my imagination that some sites seemto have more premium hands far too often.
At last, you get it....it is your imagination.
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I dont think any poker site that I have played on is rigged, but there seems to be sites that have far too many premiun hands far too often - is this down to RNGs? I dont know.
If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. Im afraid it does because this would never ever happen unless you use a dodgy coin.
Sorry, but that"s crap. If it"s a random flip, it can land either way. There is no mandate within the law of probability or the concept of random, to state that it must land one way or the other - the clue is the random bit.... random means it can fall either way, and if it falls heads 100 times in a row, that does not in itself prove that the coin is faulty.
Similarly, the R in RNG stands for Random. You say that a poker site is not rigged, but that it gives too many premium hands - you contradict yourself there. It"s either rigged to provide lots of premium hands, or it"s random. It can"t be both. (and in this day and age of utter integrity and transparency, I doubt any poker site can afford to be anything other than truly random)
WOW I dont think you quite get it. 100 flips = 100 heads is it possible? YES
Is it EVER going to happen? NO, never ever, ever,ever.
Are all RNGs the same? If so, then I admit it must be my imagination that some sites seemto have more premium hands far too often.
If all RNGs arent the same, what makes them different and what are the outcomes of these differences?
The integrity and transparency bit - dont be fooled.
I worked in the casino game for about 15 years and although I never seen anything illegal from the casino side, they have tactics that are morally wrong. That doesnt mean all casinos use certain "tricks of the trade" but some certainly do.
You just haven"t tried often enough. If you can carry out a test an infinite* number of times, if something CAN happen, then it WILL happen. Though I suspect regardless of what anyone might say you"re not interested in thinking any different.
*Actually only 1.2 nonillion times will be required on average to see this result (1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376) - get flipping.
An introduction to Statistics - http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/statistics.html - as a matter of interest it has a section on influencing a random event by skewing the distribution (i.e. rigging the RNG) and over a reasonably small number of events shows how the simplest of confidence tests can identify a skew in the distribution.
Any poker site should be open about giving their RNG to auditors. With the sheer number of hands available any statistical analyst worth their salt should identify the possibility of a flawed RNG.
In my opinion it"s blindingly obvious, if someone is going to steal from you at a poker site - it"s not likely to be from a rigged RNG but from some form of human intervention or fraud.
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1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,373 - Heads
1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,374 - Heads
1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,375 - Heads
1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376 - Heads
Online flipping is SO rigged.
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*Actually only 1.2 nonillion times will be required on average to see this result (1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376) - get flipping.
Prove it ;D
Ive never read any post on this thread that mentions stealing, in my opinion, some sites want games finished/players out quicker than other sites.
There is no point in me continuing posting on this topic as those who believe, will always believe and those who dont, never will.
In Poker terms, I fold
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In Poker terms, I fold
Dealer pulls in folded hand with a sigh of relief and swiftly moves on.
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In Poker terms, I fold
Dealer pulls in folded hand with a sigh of relief and swiftly moves on, whilst the rest of the table mutter about extensive hollywooding before the obvious fold
FYP
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It is impossible for a coin to land the same way 100 times unless it is faulty. The probability is so minisule that it is impossible.
Otherwise, the word impossible has no meaning.
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*Actually only 1.2 nonillion times will be required on average to see this result (1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376) - get flipping.
Prove it ;D
Its not impossible as however slim there is a chance of it happening. Its simple maths.
2 possibilities 100 times the same result = 2^100:1
So I presume the answer (without checking) is Dave"s 1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376
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It is impossible for a coin to land the same way 100 times unless it is faulty. The probability is so minisule that it is impossible.
Otherwise, the word impossible has no meaning.
Huh....if something is impossible it means that the probability is 0.
If the probability is miniscule it has a positive probability (regardless of how small) and thus IS possible.
Impossible is a binary state..it either is or it isn"t.
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Where"s the bar?
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The probability is 0.000000000000000000000000000001
In the same realms of Des getting a round in.
Pretty close to 0 to be fair ;) x
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The probability is 0.000000000000000000000000000001
In the same realms of Des getting a round in.
absolute 0 to be fair ;) x
FYP
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My brain hurts!
And I still hate BEETROOT!
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My brain hurts!
And I still hate BEETROOT!
I agree with the comment about Beetroot.
But what about bananas. I quite like bananas but not too keen on Strawberries. However I would prefer to have a strawberry flavor milkshake than a banana flavor milkshake.
How does that work I wonder?
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My brain hurts!
And I still hate BEETROOT!
I agree with the comment about Beetroot.
But what about bananas. I quite like bananas but not too keen on Strawberries. However I would prefer to have a strawberry flavor milkshake than a banana flavor milkshake.
How does that work I wonder?
Embrace the variance - you are Welsh ;D
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Bad times :(
http://simpleindianrecipes.com/Home/BeetrootMilkshake.aspx (http://simpleindianrecipes.com/Home/BeetrootMilkshake.aspx)
"Why are you waiting, enjoy this wornderful milk shake...." errrm....
(http://www.clker.com/cliparts/l/N/V/b/l/v/sick-smiley-md.png)
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Bad times :(
http://simpleindianrecipes.com/Home/BeetrootMilkshake.aspx (http://simpleindianrecipes.com/Home/BeetrootMilkshake.aspx)
"Why are you waiting, enjoy this wornderful milk shake...." errrm....
(http://www.clker.com/cliparts/l/N/V/b/l/v/sick-smiley-md.png)
Something"s shouldn"t even be shared sigh!!... Might stop Emma giving you the multi pack of Hob Nobs she brought for you as a gift .. BEETROOT milkshake?? Wtf :o
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If any of my team utter anything about coin flipping possibilities with 50 yards of a bar in stoke they are immediately dropped.
this is ridiculous.
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As always Improbable not impossible
Stu I"ll flip you the bird instead!
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