Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: Fatcatstu on January 15, 2013, 00:45:27 AM
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Fold pre. This hand isn"t very good and will get you into a whole heap of trouble - as I"m sure you"ve found out.
As played, opponent dependent. Most likely worth a small bet to take control and try to thin the field. Priority is getting to the river as cheaply as possible. Any reads?
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totally agree with above... fold pre, but as played I would bet like 2/3rds of the pot and see where I stand.
Fold if you get raised; and if you get called you probably get the river card for free.
You could also check to see the turn and bet if it"s checked to you again... if that happens, you should have the best hand.
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the hand is pants, and deserves to be folded pre...... however, it"s a short handed table and we have the button, so not a massive error to play so long as we feel we have something of a post flop edge against the field.
The flop is favourable, however our hand is not the nuts, we have no nut draw (other than an Ace which may split the pot much of the time).... and for those reasons, a cheap showdown is probably our better option, and I check behind. If the turn is a brick, and it checks to us again, then I would bet... or would call if someone lead out.
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Fold pre
Which is probably the default answer to most hands you play in PLO (and hold em) :p
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I"m not in agreement with the others regarding folding pre-flop. I think this hand is very playable on the button, wouldn"t play from the blinds. However it is limited in value and Im not going wild on this flop or getting glued to the hand.
I like the feeler/value bet of £.50 - £1.
However can see all options open here too, both the check for safety but could also play by repping AQ and potting here dependent on opponenets/table, but prefer the smaller bet to avoid tricky decisions later.
Next installment please.
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Thanks for all the replies so far, will give my thoughts and post the next bit when I get in from work tonight
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I quite like the fact there is not a turn card. It means the dynamic is the same as the flop.
Bet again, more as they may not be a river either in which case your hand is strong :-)
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Oh ffs. Ok will try again when I get in. Sigh. Ignore no turn card. Concentrate on the bet you *******!!!
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ok paired board, flushed board, no chance of having the nuts....
our hand has very marginal show down value, but certainly not calling any bets on the turn. checking behind on the turn, and hoping for a free showdown on the river... might consider calling a very small bet after a brick river.
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Oh no there is a turn and it an awful turn.
Hmm OK, lots of full house in his range but why has he checked? We have the lead on te turn so he may well be hoping for us to bet again.
He raised pre so should have some kind of high cards, then he called on the flop so it looks like a set or two pair although he could also have a pair and a flush draw or something like that. Do we have some stats on our opponent here?
I can"t really see what else you can do than check. It give the draws a free card but we are not in great shape against his range here and could be drawing dead.
Check and plan to fold on the river if he bests unless we have a read that says we should not. (I may call a small bet OTR but I am a fish).
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Urgh turn :(
With a straight on a paired board you are mostly likely to either win small or lose big. Even worse when you have no nut hands pre / or on the flop.. and this is steadily getting worse.
Check the turn.
Marginal show down value on the river x
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Not a Scooby Doo to be honest.
Raise Pre should indicate some kind of hand so rundown/pair/broadways.
Flop is good for broadway type hands and also can make a set for a lot of the pairs he can have, sets can"t feel too confident on that board though. He could also have two pair although that is not that strong of a hand on that board. AAxx with flush draw is also very possible.
When you bet (pretty big) and he calls I agree that a flush draw is possible. He can also have a set though, I am pretty sure AQxx SHOULD raise does not mean it does of course. He could also have a monster like KKxx or AQxx with the flush draw which is pretty bad for us.
When the board pairs I really think Full houses should be looking to get money in but he could be going for the check/raise. I like your check here.
When he checks the riverI am thinking any FH should have bet, he could still have AQxx or have missed the flush and have AAxx.
I say his range after the river is :-
BUsted Flush
AAxx
AQxx (Less Likely)
Some silly random ten
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For what its worth i agree with Robbie. I think this hand has flopping potential and yes, i DO think i have a large edge over the regs at this level. They are all seeing 75%+ of flops, if I tighten up, I feel i am missing out on alot of value by not playing.
Quite the opposite mate. Your value comes from hitting the nuts and getting paid by lower flushes and straights, full houses. by playing loose you are putting yourself in situations like this,and there" s no need at this level.
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For what its worth i agree with Robbie. I think this hand has flopping potential and yes, i DO think i have a large edge over the regs at this level. They are all seeing 75%+ of flops, if I tighten up, I feel i am missing out on alot of value by not playing.
Quite the opposite mate. Your value comes from hitting the nuts and getting paid by lower flushes and straights, full houses. by playing loose you are putting yourself in situations like this,and there" s no need at this level.
good post, and spot on!
Just because people are playing lots of bad hands, doesn"t mean you can beat them just by playing lots of bad hands yourself. Just play hands that can hit the nuts, and know that when you do get there, you will get paid most of the time.
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For what its worth i agree with Robbie. I think this hand has flopping potential and yes, i DO think i have a large edge over the regs at this level. They are all seeing 75%+ of flops, if I tighten up, I feel i am missing out on alot of value by not playing.
Quite the opposite mate. Your value comes from hitting the nuts and getting paid by lower flushes and straights, full houses. by playing loose you are putting yourself in situations like this,and there" s no need at this level.
good post, and spot on!
Just because people are playing lots of bad hands, doesn"t mean you can beat them just by playing lots of bad hands yourself. Just play hands that can hit the nuts, and know that when you do get there, you will get paid most of the time.
Wise words from Derrick & Steve 8). I"ve found myself playing low stakes PLO recently and this kind of [thing has introduced a horrible leak into my PLO & NLHE game. Getting drawn in to a pot with a hand with "a bit of potential", only to find 3 streets later you"re playing like a donk and reloading coz you hit a marginal draw. I"m quite rightly taking a break from both to re-evaluate and get back to basics.