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Could be fun,
would there be a min/max amount of games to try and keep it fair or would it be just as many as you can squeeze in within a month?
I am up for this
Just thinking out loud,
We could agree an opening BR for every one to start on, almost like a buy in say $50 + $10.
You must stake atleast 50% of this minimum ( 10 games )
If you bust your out, but can buy back in for $50 + $10 ( build the pot + more for charity )
Whoever has the highest BR left the end of June wins
What you think?
I would keep it as simple as possible. Most profit wins with a min of 10 games.
Rod - were you definitely thinking just $2.50 180 turbos? No reg speed, hypers etc?
Would like to get involved in this - but you"re not suggesting they are the only games you"re gonna play all month? We just filter out the other games to create the results for the leaderboard?
Rodders...use OPR to check winnings...much easier and open to all to view
If you said most profit from 20 games then I would be interested (e.g. $50 staked total) because anyone who has a time opportunity and can do volume will be advantaged by this.
If you said most profit from 20 games then I would be interested (e.g. $50 staked total) because anyone who has a time opportunity and can do volume will be advantaged by this.
If you said most profit from 20 games then I would be interested (e.g. $50 staked total) because anyone who has a time opportunity and can do volume will be advantaged by this.
This sounds good, a round 20 should be fair on everyone
If you said most profit from 20 games then I would be interested (e.g. $50 staked total) because anyone who has a time opportunity and can do volume will be advantaged by this.
^^^^ this.....and Rodders not sure if u can filter like that on OPR tbh.....plus only prob with OPR is that everyone needs to be opted in for results to show up I believe unless theyve changed it!!
If you are up for it them please post your Pokerstars userid in the thread. There does not need to be a huge number of us to do this as I see it but reckon it would make for a good thread. Everybody could update the thread with how they are doing and I would do a leaderboard update once a week. We go my Sharkscope for the leaderboard. To play you will need to unlock results sites for Pokerstars.
Was hoping this would generate some interest. Great to see some of APAT's best taking an interest So far we have:-
BOINGBLITZ
josharp01
adilong1
amcgrath1uk
Swinebag22
Confirmed as interested. How sick is that list, there is not a weak link there. The winner will sure have to play some great poker to best these guy"s. I am also playing but am likely to be an easier spot than these five !!!!!!
Was hoping this would generate some interest. Great to see some of APAT's best taking an interest So far we have:-
BOINGBLITZ
josharp01
adilong1
amcgrath1uk
Swinebag22
Confirmed as interested. How sick is that list, there is not a weak link there. The winner will sure have to play some great poker to best these guy"s. I am also playing but am likely to be an easier spot than these five !!!!!!
I better come along and spoil that then :) kevod11 on stars!
So it will be the whole month of June and $2.50 180 man turbo sngs?
June means June people, not May, stop using all your flip tokens before it starts :-)
1hr30 iirc.
not played 180s for a long time but can you give me an idea how long these would typically take if you were to make the final table?
not played 180s for a long time but can you give me an idea how long these would typically take if you were to make the final table?
Yeah the one I won last night ( brag ;D ) took roughly an hour and 40 mins.
As for the late levels, if your raising from an early position be prepared to shove as there wasn"t many people seeing a flop without being all in!!! Also the shoves we"re very wide a lot of Ax hands being thrown about and very low pairs.
Oh well, might as well add my name to the fray!!
I see ajcairns is getting some serious practice in on this tonight!! ;)
Rodders...with OPR your WINS show up whether opted in or not at the bottom
Get me down for this one rodders please :)
Oh well, might as well add my name to the fray!! Just trying one during my lunch time, then saw the posts about how long it takes, lol all in first hand with 99 v AJ and it holds, oh well,
limp in 2nd hand with QT, flop QT2, someone shoves, I call he shows KK, Q on turn for boat, up to 4700
thegeezer2k on stars
I see ajcairns is getting some serious practice in on this tonight!! ;)
going to aim for 4 a night, and allowing for a few days off I reckon i will get about 100 in the month. I would hope for at least 20 ITMs, of which 5 FT and 1 win. Too ambitious?
Great Idea. I would like this challenge against the cream of the Apat community
name : ZozzyBWFC
I think I have sorted the unlock. I"ve not used SharkScope before
Hi Craig
Added,you will need to unlock Sharkscope mate.
I think I have sorted the unlock. I"ve not used SharkScope before
Hi Craig
Added,you will need to unlock Sharkscope mate.
Thanks Steve.
Played a few of these yesterday and managed two 2nd places.
Really looking forward to bashing these out. Anyone got any ideas of realistic achievable volumes? Profit/loss targets?
Can i be added to this....2royals on stars...most of you don"t know me but i am Mark Lassman"s cousin and played my 1st APAT games on the Easter Weekend....My main game is Ohama hilow and maybe play 1%holdem nl in a week and hardly play sit and goes but willing to give this a go and see how i get on.
i am Mark Lassman"s cousin
i am Mark Lassman"s cousin
Oh God, there"s another one!
i am Mark Lassman"s cousin
Oh God, there"s another one!
Dont worry he is also better then me.....
Be Afraid.... Duke 3016 On Stars. No Idea About Unlocking....
I have no chance.......I am setting myself 20 of these and see how i get on but I am going to set a hard goal and say I want to win 5 of these this month(June) so i can push my bank roll to my 1st (4 figure Roll - 1st time in over 5 or 6 years)
In - but I cant unlock my sharkscope any time soon due to work :)
30 mins or so and I can start! Might play 4 tonight to get an early lead/deficit!
Just played my first ever 180 sit & go. The play was different to what I expected. I had to adjust quickly to what was happening. Taking down the pot pre-flop was a rare sight, and there was much more 3 betting than I expected in the early stages.
With a decent stack calling with A 10 to a 20BB shove seemed like optimal play to me in this comp ?
I have never seen so many all-ins. Maybe my first taste of these 180s was not typical ? I am looking forward to playing my next one. I finished 15th for $3.89 in my first one.
I have been playing cash games 6 max $20 recently, and obviously the two are worlds apart. Maybe my mindset was still in this mode, and why this format came as a bit of a shock.
Just to confirm in our league is it the player that accumulates the most prize money, not the player who makes most profit after deducting the $2.50 entry fees?
Depends when I get home, dont want to log onto Stars so wont be playing until I do anyway :)
Started with 4 table and was sitting ok in all of them and lost flips in all and finished out the money in all of them
I got 1 min cash so far, these are fun, if slightly mental.
Total car crash weekend, played about as badly as it is possible to play in these. Played 42 for a total loss of $87.
Did not get anything right from bet sizing (which is really hard to get wrong in these) to my pushing and calling ranges from different positions. Deserved to get crushed and did.
Will be happy to finish this not down on these this month now.
Total car crash weekend, played about as badly as it is possible to play in these. Played 42 for a total loss of $87.
Did not get anything right from bet sizing (which is really hard to get wrong in these) to my pushing and calling ranges from different positions. Deserved to get crushed and did.
Will be happy to finish this not down on these this month now.
Looks like I may not finish bottom at least!! ;)
Total car crash weekend, played about as badly as it is possible to play in these. Played 42 for a total loss of $87.
Did not get anything right from bet sizing (which is really hard to get wrong in these) to my pushing and calling ranges from different positions. Deserved to get crushed and did.
Will be happy to finish this not down on these this month now.
Looks like I may not finish bottom at least!! ;)
After tonight"s effort, maybe I will! :"(
Have started, will get sharkscope at the end though.
Is it too late to join in with this, only just seen the thread?
If not, I"m Claret1 on Stars - I play the 180s anyway, but any extra motivation to grind is always good. I haven"t played any 2.50s this month yet, so it"s not as if I"m just joining because I"ve had a great start!
have unlocked the sharkscope this morning
Is it too late to join? Is there an entry fee? (sorry, could probably read back through 7 pages to find out, but am being lazy)
Is it too late to join? Is there an entry fee? (sorry, could probably read back through 7 pages to find out, but am being lazy)
Hi Steve
Not too late mate. As long as you have not played any $2.50 Turbo"s already in June.
The "fee" is $10 which we will all send to the winner at the end of the league via player transfer (yes this is done on trust) and the winner will donate half of it to a charity of their choice. That"s about it.
Are you in?
2 more min cashes today...sigh
Lessons learned from the prop bet so far:
1.)AA does not beat any other pocket pair when AIPF
2.)Getting them in after flopping top set will never ever get you paid
3)If you think you"re behind....get the chips in quick
Forgotten what it"s like to win a race! Onwards....maybe not upwards...but onwards! ;D
why oh why did I enter this challenge. I knew I hated the 180 turbos. Played a handful, and have managed to confirmed my prior opinion.
They are crap, and I"m crap at them.
Count me in please Steve. I assume its not too late to join. I have just transferred 3c to Sharkscope.
Mike Gale
Stars name Charlie44333
Count me in please Steve. I assume its not too late to join. I have just transferred 3c to Sharkscope.
Mike Gale
Stars name Charlie44333
Just checking you noticed my original post Steve and that your are counting me in. Though way things are going I"m not likely to trouble the leaders !
Count me in please Steve. I assume its not too late to join. I have just transferred 3c to Sharkscope.
Mike Gale
Stars name Charlie44333
Just checking you noticed my original post Steve and that your are counting me in. Though way things are going I"m not likely to trouble the leaders !
Yes, you are on the leaderboard post
Is there a prize for biggest loss ?
I believe I"m on loss of $36.07 so far. Anybody beat that ? Played 20, 1 FT and 2 other cashes.
Made a cracking start to this!! Going to plough some money into them tonight I reckon!! See if I can catch Rodders
Made a cracking start to this!! Going to plough some money into them tonight I reckon!! See if I can catch Rodders
Made a cracking start to this!! Going to plough some money into them tonight I reckon!! See if I can catch Rodders
Good luck with that I am finding new and exciting ways to lose, may teach you one day.
Remind me not to do any more of your leagues Rodders!!
All my pre league cashes and that win has really come back to bite me in the a**e. :"(
I"ll keep on plugging though ;)
4 more blank blank blank blank tonight ,so far for me it is one cash in 8 games......what should it be normally do people think?
15-20% ITM rate I suspect would be as good as it gets.
4 more blank blank blank blank tonight ,so far for me it is one cash in 8 games......what should it be normally do people think?
15-20% ITM rate I suspect would be as good as it gets.
4 more blank blank blank blank tonight ,so far for me it is one cash in 8 games......what should it be normally do people think?
15-20% ITM rate I suspect would be as good as it gets.
I would be surprised if anybody can stay above 15% over a very big sample.
between 12% and 15% is where some of the best players are on these (although they would be better at this level of course)
Which means that 15% ITM is average, for the very best players 20-25% should be obtainable at this level imo.
Which means that 15% ITM is average, for the very best players 20-25% should be obtainable at this level imo.
Oh - no cashes in 10 games is not so good then?
I hate these.
Which means that 15% ITM is average, for the very best players 20-25% should be obtainable at this level imo.
Oh - no cashes in 10 games is not so good then?
I hate these.
Which means that 15% ITM is average, for the very best players 20-25% should be obtainable at this level imo.
4 more blank blank blank blank tonight ,so far for me it is one cash in 8 games......what should it be normally do people think?
15-20% ITM rate I suspect would be as good as it gets.
I would be surprised if anybody can stay above 15% over a very big sample.
between 12% and 15% is where some of the best players are on these (although they would be better at this level of course)
I"d forgotten that Stars had changed the payout structures to 27 pay rather than 18.
Which means that 15% ITM is average, for the very best players 20-25% should be obtainable at this level imo.
wooohooo a cash, and a final table at that. However, KK can"t be KQ when all in pre, and am out in 9th for a whopping $6.15
In the middle of playing 6....
at 125/250 level I"m down to 2 tables... 3 bad beats and a lost race... it"s easy to lose faith playing these...
What gets me is that they are so hard to cash in, but when you make a final table, you may end up with little more than double your stake. The payout is just so top heavy, but even at the final table luck plays such a massive factor.
4 more blank blank blank blank tonight ,so far for me it is one cash in 8 games......what should it be normally do people think?
15-20% ITM rate I suspect would be as good as it gets.
I would be surprised if anybody can stay above 15% over a very big sample.
between 12% and 15% is where some of the best players are on these (although they would be better at this level of course)
I"d forgotten that Stars had changed the payout structures to 27 pay rather than 18.
Which means that 15% ITM is average, for the very best players 20-25% should be obtainable at this level imo.
I really don" think 15% is average Dave.
I just had a look on Sharkscope at some of the best on the leaderboard playing these at this level
ljenkinsl90
Lfmmm -
mrGR33N13
These guys are all between ITM 15% and 20% over the last 100 games.
In the middle of playing 6....
at 125/250 level I"m down to 2 tables... 3 bad beats and a lost race... it"s easy to lose faith playing these...
one min cash for a whole $2.66 and 2/32 in the other
What gets me is that they are so hard to cash in, but when you make a final table, you may end up with little more than double your stake. The payout is just so top heavy, but even at the final table luck plays such a massive factor.
I know I preferred it when it was top 18, as it was a lil better if memory serves
A cash I"ve had a CASH!!! Get in, 8th shame about the other 15 that I didn"t get anything in! :"(
Get it quietly FFS!
Good for the soul init. I am still knocking it in as well btw. Think I need to win one to nearly break even. Thing is the beats and races are expected. Always play for top three.
Gave some back yesterday. 17 games - a 15th, 12th and 11th.
8th for $9.02 Whoopydoo!
Get it quietly FFS!
I reckon i can turn it around
Had a bad day yesterday, down about $40 and also got called "the worst reg ever".
Outdraws left right and centre still on these!
Pretty sure my record of 18 games isn"t quite right Rodders....I couldn"t be so far down with that few games! ;)
Just to scare you all, I"m starting today. Good luck :)
The outdraws are vile, just play unexploitably and youll win in the long run :)
I used to play these constantly, and ive seen even the best regs do on 250 buyin downswings as its easily done. A nice rule to remember in these:
You can shove ATC, bvb, with effective stacks of 11bb or less.
Yes, even 72o, 23o etc is +chipEV in the long run.
The outdraws are vile, just play unexploitably and youll win in the long run :)
I used to play these constantly, and ive seen even the best regs do on 250 buyin downswings as its easily done. A nice rule to remember in these:
You can shove ATC, bvb, with effective stacks of 11bb or less.
Yes, even 72o, 23o etc is +chipEV in the long run.
This is all true, I"ve had many 100+ buyin downswings. I play up to 20 tables at a time so I don"t even see most of the suckouts, but when I get down to the money I pull the tables out of the stack, so it"s particularly annoying when they happen at the last two tables.
Shoving any two from the SB is all good, but when you always seem to be dominated, or their ace rag always holds up and yours never does, you start to doubt yourself.
Anyway, rant over, back on the horse tomorrow.
The BvB shove is spot on, but you will not see many BvB spots as the antes go up really. If we know that our opponent is half decent and he shove 10BB effective into us BvB (with antes in play) what should our calling range be?
A2+, KQ and 66+ ?????
time for an update?
(thinly veiled "I"ve had a few results post")
time for an update?
(thinly veiled "I"ve had a few results post")
I will update Saturday Morning but you could tell us now if you like :-)
time for an update?
(thinly veiled "I"ve had a few results post")
I will update Saturday Morning
:o
Won one....
$221.49
As my school teacher used to say "could do better"
A quick look this morning and I THINK the top 3 looks like this
1) Mark +$187
2) Rodders +$46.77
3) Ger +$25.58
How is everybody else doing?
3) TallPaul will swing back up the leaderboard
3) TallPaul will swing back up the leaderboard
I certainly hope so, just about to start a long session - my run has to turn round eventually. Although I"ve been running slightly better in the 8s - up $650 for those in the month :)
Rather have it that way round!
Played all morning, bricked everything but finished with a 3rd for a breakeven session.
One min cash so far - taking a break for a wee while to up my alcohol levels ;D
I binked an $8 180 man SNG on Stars on Thursday for $396....can I count that as 3 1/2 x $2.50 events please Rodders?
Finally managed a second in one of these to half my deficit (sigh)... playing a few now to try and match that and get into the black!
Finally managed a second in one of these to half my deficit (sigh)... playing a few now to try and match that and get into the black!
The beats on these are soul destroying
would be nice to cash in one of these when it turns Golden!!!!
would be nice to cash in one of these when it turns Golden!!!!
My run of death continues in the $2.50"s, finishing 12th my best tonight, after being hit by 5 2 outers from the bubble onwards.
Fired up an $8 180, and finished 2nd, so has pretty much got me out of my $2.50 hole :)
Have a bug and not played nearly as much as I would like.
Managed a 2nd and a couple of min cashes. Gonna grind the weekend
As not in Coventry. 8 tabling and 14hr sessions FTW.
Last night 11.10pm I entered the last one to try and win the prop bet. I was absolutely knackered after driving two hours back from Coventry and only getting 4 hours sleep the night before. I had just finished the previous s&g and won it.
Tension is killing me....
Can everybody please ship Mark $10 as agreed.
Well done Mark. Top Man.
Playing these last night on a iPad
With no HM2 data was awful.
Taking nothing away best man won.
Will try and ship ASAP but may struggle
As on Hols or if somebody can ship on my
Behalf I can sort later. Many thanks.
Well done Mark. Top Man.
Playing these last night on a iPad
With no HM2 data was awful.
Taking nothing away best man won.
Will try and ship ASAP but may struggle
As on Hols or if somebody can ship on my
Behalf I can sort later. Many thanks.
I will do it, just send it to me when you get back mate. Mark, shipping another $10 for Dave.
Is that the final table on page one? 3 people total in profit?
Is that the final table on page one? 3 people total in profit?
Variance
Any conclusion on format for this month ? I thought great idea to increase interest compared to regular online grinding. Just a few thoughts - would it be better to reduce variance where possible if it is intended to reflect best performance. Perhaps by reducing no. of players and making regular sit"n"go rather than turbo. I suggest may be 27 player $3.50 standard sit n go"s on Stars. Winner is highest profit for month.
This is probably sour grapes on my part after poor performance last month, but I certainly acknowledge that Mark won on merit last month.
Any conclusion on format for this month ? I thought great idea to increase interest compared to regular online grinding. Just a few thoughts - would it be better to reduce variance where possible if it is intended to reflect best performance. Perhaps by reducing no. of players and making regular sit"n"go rather than turbo. I suggest may be 27 player $3.50 standard sit n go"s on Stars. Winner is highest profit for month.
This is probably sour grapes on my part after poor performance last month, but I certainly acknowledge that Mark won on merit last month.
Happy to do another one for this month but you will not reduce the luck factor any more than the format we had. The games were selected for that as you can play loads of them, each one has quite a high luck factor but you get around that with volume. Still game selection is for the win.
We could just go with any game on Stars high ROI wins - starts this weekend up until UKCOAP. That lets everybody play their own best game.
Thoughts?
Ill ship on Sunday, if that"s ok?