Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: BOINGBLITZ on July 03, 2013, 06:39:02 AM
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Would definitely prefer the Sunday
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definitely prefer the Saturday
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Definitely prefer the Saturday, unless they could start it at lunchtime on the Sunday ;D
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definitely prefer the Saturday
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Definitely prefer the Saturday, unless they could start it at lunchtime on the Sunday ;D
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Esp with one and a half hours late reg
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I would always prefer Saturdays for a tournament that runs on the (very good) iPoker structure, and starts with 500bbs. If I recall correctly, this doesn"t usually finish much before 3.30am, which would generally exclude me from playing it if on a Sunday night.
I can understand Brian"s points though, although as others have said, the post on the other thread wasn"t particularly well worded, and probably raised negative objection by it"s wording rather than it"s content.
In essence though, Brian raises a very valid point. Whilst BCPC may not be a significant poker tour in terms of the UK poker circuit and calendar, it is reasonably significant in terms of it"s links to APAT, not least the fact that there will be 20-30 players in the BCPC deepstack event on Saturday 6th July that might otherwise be playing the APAT online tourney.
Brian quotes a very valid precedent from last year when a main event was moved from a Saturday to a Sunday to avoid a clash with a Chezger event - another clash that would have taken ~30 players out of the APAT event. I would suggest that as grace was given in that circumstance, the precedent should be recognised and equal grace should be considered for this weekend"s events.
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Prefer Sunday
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Move it to the following Saturday? 13th..
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Move it to the following Saturday? 13th..
Des already posted on the main thread - it"s staying where it is because it"s already been promoted, and has been setup on WH already :(
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Move it to the following Saturday? 13th..
Dont say that Carl, I will be on my way back from the mighty Bournemouth v West Ham and you will all miss the added value of my buy in.
Bottom line is, whenever it gets played someone will have what to them appears a valid reason to get it moved.
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Bottom line is, whenever it gets played someone will have what to them appears a valid reason to get it moved.
Agree Don - you can"t please all the people all the time, and all that.
In this instance though, I"m disappointed that the precedent of last year when an APAT event was moved to avoid a clash with a Chezger event has not been recognised and replicated. In that particular instance last year, I had a personal impact in that the move meant I had to withdraw from a whole season of Vegas team events with Genting as the live final clashed with the new date that the APAT was event was moved to - for that reason, it stuck in the memory. Now that BCPC have an event very similar to the Chezger event (~30 players that will miss the APAT event), no change is being made. It does make us feel like the poor cousins to some extent.
All that said, I understand that the move last time was done with several weeks notice - this time there is only four days notice, and the marketing etc has already happened.... however, with the late announcement, we didn"t have the same window of opportunity for negotiation.
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Morning all.
Nothing like a good name check in a quote.
I"ll pretty much repeat on here what I have said to Brian via a Personal Message.
The tournament mentioned in the quote was moved back (against my initial personal view) as the event was two weeks down the line, so we had time to correct in the APAT lobby (so fully in our control) before we pushed the promotion out.
In the case of this weeks event, we have already spent considerable time communicating to William Hill to get the tournaments in the lobby and social media promotion has gone out confirming dates, start times and buyins.
To change it now would only confuse a lot of existing, and potential new players.
It is unfortunate that it clashes with your live event, but this is one event out of a long long season, and i doubt we will have a single player that does not have one of our events clash with something else going on in their lives this season.
Leigh
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You"ve asked for comments Brian, and I"m inclined to provide them, but as I type I"m aware this will be of a huge "blue touch paper" but it has bugged me more this time around for some reason...
So i will try to be as polite and objective as I can;
I guess its reasonable to ask, as in most things if you dont ask you dont get, but the seemingly nature of the request doesn"t put it in a reasonable context, imo.
Aware the the BCPC is a huge part of your poker life, and has strong links with APAT, but (and this is the bug on my part) why do you think it is important to everyone else?
BCPC, is maybe 20-25 players who also play APAT - APAT has several thousand members and I"d say 100-150 regular players both online and live.
I for example, wouldn"t dream if we had the same type of club as the BCPC does for say Luton club and request that APAT moves an entire online event just for me and my private club.
like I say, I don"t know you at all really, and none of my business what you do or say, but you asked for comments, my 2p worth.
Genuine apologies for the likiness that this has itself annoyed you, and I accept your pending wrath from you and other BCPC members..
it just bugged me at the audacity of the request tbh
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I"m respect the fact that the APAT event is not being moved and I"m comfortable with it for all the reasons Des and Leigh have stated. There is no opportunity to move - hence no further need for debate.
However, Waz, I just wanted to respond to your point below. The way you have outlined your point was also partially my own opinion at the outset of this thread.... however, I keep coming back to the precedent that has been set previously.
I for example, wouldn"t dream if we had the same type of club as the BCPC does for say Luton club and request that APAT moves an entire online event just for me and my private club.
The fact is that a precedent was set when a live event was moved to avoid a clash with a Chezger event in recent history. Having set that precedent, this discussion was somewhat inevitable.
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As Steve has stated there was plenty of time to change date last year ???
unfortunately only 4 days or so for this one so I can understand why it won"t be moved :-\ :-\ :"(
To me I wish that we had dates announced a lot earlier rather than a week as is the case with this on-line event
we all want to play as many tourneys as possible BUT APAT please try and announce dates with plenty of notice
This season seems to be crammed in with sometimes 2 events in a month which to me is unafordable and a bit stupid to be honest, :P
We all have to work and arrange dates to play and so far this season it seems that APAT is trying to cram as many events as possible before xmas and I for one can"t afford it :"( :"(
Right grip over and good luck to all playing this weekend ;) ;)
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The fact is that a precedent was set when a live event was moved to avoid a clash with a Chezger event in recent history. Having set that precedent, this discussion was somewhat inevitable.
It was an online event which was moved steve, unless I am thinking of something else?
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I"m sure the APAT event would have been moved if it hadn"t already been promoted - APAT would love to have the 30 or so BCPC players among this week"s runners. I think the lesson to be learned, if possible, is don"t leave it till the "last minute" to set the APAT events up.
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Accept your point Steve on precedents being set, I guess it"s the manner.
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The fact is that a precedent was set when a live event was moved to avoid a clash with a Chezger event in recent history. Having set that precedent, this discussion was somewhat inevitable.
It was an online event which was moved steve, unless I am thinking of something else?
Yeah you"re correct,.my mistake. I was thinking of this one where a live event got moved... http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8189.0
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BCPC, is maybe 20-25 players who also play APAT - APAT has several thousand members and I"d say 100-150 regular players both online and live.
When did an online main event get anywhere near 150?
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BCPC, is maybe 20-25 players who also play APAT - APAT has several thousand members and I"d say 100-150 regular players both online and live.
When did an online main event get anywhere near 150?
The one I won had 121
#justsaying ;-)
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BCPC, is maybe 20-25 players who also play APAT - APAT has several thousand members and I"d say 100-150 regular players both online and live.
When did an online main event get anywhere near 150?
I didn"t have access to the actual history if the numbers so did use a wide range 100-150
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Well put JP. And regardless of numbers in online MEs events in recent times if nothing else the £15 buy-in should guarantee a decent turn-out this time (BCPC folks notwithstanding - don"t want to open up that debate again :) ).
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For what it"s worth, I didn"t actually see any offence in Brian"s initial post. I"ve known the guy for years, love that he"s an organiser who has put a lot of his own time into putting on games for others and he"s a done a good job of it. APAT is not in the business of shooting those guys down. Quite the opposite, we"ve actively allowed him to promote BCPC and that has helped grow his group over time.
One thing I would add though, it doesn"t matter a jot whether we"re pleaded with, or shouted at, to sort out this sort of issue. We look at it practically and always try to reach the right decision with the facts available.
Precedents mean NOTHING, it"s not even a word worth using here.
Where we can help and we feel its the right thing to do, we do. No politics, favours or anything else. Where we can"t help; and in this case regrettably we can"t, we feel bad about it - but never guilty.
Cheers,
Des.