Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chipaccrual on July 22, 2013, 12:05:43 PM
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If you had the power to remove something from the poker world, for the good of everyone involved, what would it be ?
We"ve selected a few options, so vote away, but feel free to add a post if there is something you"d love to see the back of.
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Nothing up there personally, can think of arguments on both sides for all 5 of them.
The three main things I would get rid of in the poker world all relate to cash poker - shortstacking, bumhunting and hit & running. I would love to see a poker site where there was one buyin per level = 100bbs. There would be no arguments then - you either sit down with 100bbs or you dont sit down.
The arguments for getting rid of the other two have been raised over and over again so I wont repeat them all here, but both are cancers on the game and put people off playing.
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Not quite covered by the options above but just a general observation about live poker at low-ish levels. I"d like other players to keep the speed of the game going. I"m not talking about tanking over difficult decisions or even "balancing" your decision time post-flop. Most of my gripe concerns the excessive amount of time people take with simple pre-flop decisions, these are usually in the following 2 categories (some of which is covered by the voting options):
- People who tank-fold 100% preflop, they probably think they are "balancing their folding range decision time", they aren"t, they are just making themselves look stupid and being generally annoying.
- People simply not paying attention to the action and having to be constantly reminded/nudged - sometimes borne by the fact that people wear headphones/watch ipads without considering how it affects their attention on the game.
I"d also like to add that I can"t stand players that abuse dealers/staff. I saw it at the last APAT I played at DTD and it leaves an unpleasant taste. Fortunately I busted the guy that was responsible and enjoyed doing so.
I voted for slowrolls but obviously understand that one person"s slowroll is another person"s difficult decision. However I generally don"t like any bad etiquette or angling at the table. One way of overcoming this would be to make everyone showdown at the river - most bad feeling in poker arises due to the showdown rules.
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Not sure any of those options would be a priority. I"d like to see rude and abusive behaviour to dealers and other players punished and therefore removed from the game.
Other than that, can we remove the river card please?
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I hate dealer abuse, it is unbelievable that people do this, playing at the Manchester G ( which, by the way has had a massive overhaul of the card room and is now excellent!) a busted player started to verbally abuse the dealer at which point the dealer just burst out laughing, and the guy just had to slope off, great attitude from the dealer on this occasion, but instant bans, penalties should be handed out for dealer abuse.
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Have added another option (You can change your vote is you like) ;)
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I cringe at unwarranted dealer abuse (I"m the only one who"s voted for it so far), but what really annoys me are people who think it"s okay to use those newfangled glass tube cigarettes at the table and bellow smoke out everywhere. It"s still smoking ! >:(
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I cringe at unwarranted dealer abuse (I"m the only one who"s voted for it so far), but what really annoys me are people who think it"s okay to use those newfangled glass tube cigarettes at the table and bellow smoke out everywhere. It"s still smoking ! >:(
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I voted against headphones, but I"d gladly change it to voting against those horrible things.
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I voted for the sunglasses but now changed it to abuse the dealer sorry not to abues the dealer. But still hate people wearing sunglasses
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BRIAN YATES .....hahahahahahahaha ,,, only kiddin mucka
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BRIAN YATES .....hahahahahahahaha ,,, only kiddin mucka
See, I put a similar comment about another apat member and it was deleted!!
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Ban wheelchairs. Give someone else a chance of winning something ;)
Seriously, the big bug bear of mine is non-standard rules. E.g. I see that the EPT don"t require you to show your hand to claim the pot even when there"s a river shove and a call. If the shover mucks the other guy gets the pot without any cards having to be shown from either side. There"s so many variations of what you can and can"t do on showdown and in what order etc it"s baffling/frustrating.
Also betting lines, forward motion, string bets, acting out of turn yada yada
One game, one set of rules everywhere.
PS saying in Vegas "that"s not how we do it in the UK" is one of the most funniest (to them) and embarrassing things you can say to one of their TD"s ;D
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nothing really bothers me from that list, apart from the last one which does sicken me when I witness it. Easy vote IMO
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One game, one set of rules everywhere.
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Ban wheelchairs. Give someone else a chance of winning something ;)
Emma gives pucka piggy backs.. Just saying ;)
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Tony G
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Ban Poker Forums from asking it"s members questions :P
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Defo dealers/players abuse.
Sure it"s disappointing losing a hand/getting knocked out in a bad beat/bad play, but if you want to berate dealers/players, go elsewhere.
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I voted slowrolls......
Would have voted for dealer/player abuse, but fortunately I"ve never really come across it on my travels to date, and hope it stays that way! Slowrolls on the other hand seem to happen everywhere I play, I"m obviously not playing against the right people!
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Still don"t care about live poker and don"t play it (APAT's don"t count :-)) so most annoying thing to me is chatbox abuse, even if it is sort of funny sometimes
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None of the options above bother me.
The abusive players are obviously in the wrong and there are rules in place to deal with them. They don"t affect me personally, even if a player is abusive towards me. They are the ones that are tilting and I like my opponents to be not thinking straight. I hope that makes sense.
Dark glasses wearers have an advantage over players that don"t wear them because they/I find it easier to spot live tells.
Slowrollers typically don"t do it deliberately they are just inexperienced. The players that slowroll on purpose lack table etiquette which will work against them in the long term.
I wouldn"t want to get rid of chat box abuse because this is a tell. I often enter player notes for players who have typed certain comments which often reveals which level of thinking they are at.
If I could remove one thing from the poker world it would be B O . #bathorshower&antiperspirantftw
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None of the options above bother me.
The abusive players are obviously in the wrong and there are rules in place to deal with them. They don"t affect me personally, even if a player is abusive towards me. They are the ones that are tilting and I like my opponents to be not thinking straight. I hope that makes sense.
Dark glasses wearers have an advantage over players that don"t wear them because they/I find it easier to spot live tells.
Slowrollers typically don"t do it deliberately they are just inexperienced. The players that slowroll on purpose lack table etiquette which will work against them in the long term.
I wouldn"t want to get rid of chat box abuse because this is a tell. I often enter player notes for players who have typed certain comments which often reveals which level of thinking they are at.
If I could remove one thing from the poker world it would be B O . #bathorshower&antiperspirantftw
How does wearing sunglasses INSIDE, where there is no real light anyway, make it easier to spot tells?
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You can observe any opponent without them knowing you are looking at them, because they can"t see your eyes.
I used to think professional players had shades on to prevent others spotting their own tells but this is not the case.
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If I had to pick one from the list it would be being rude and offensive, especially towards dealers who are just doing a job.
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A lot of things annoy me about live poker. My biggest pet hate is people taking too long on every decision, and i also hate it when there is an all in and call, but neither player wants to be the first to turn their cards over, so they both just wait.
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People with stink breath