Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => APAT Hall Of Fame => Awards Archive => APAT Awards => APAT Roll Of Honour => Topic started by: APAT on May 05, 2008, 20:05:16 PM
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I understand that APAT Welsh Championship final tablist Liv Boeree has just won the Ladbrokes Ladies European Championship event. No further details available just yet, but congratulations to Liv on a great result; adding another outstanding result to a growing APAT member roll of honour over the last twelve months.
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WOW! Big Congrats Liv!
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Very well played Liv. Always a pleasure to see someone take money off Ladbrokes ! ;D
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Des do u need me and Liv to get together and celebrate our recent successes? I"d be more then willing to do my bit for APAT! ::)
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Des do u need me and Liv to get together and celebrate our recent successes? I"d be more then willing to do my bit for APAT! ::)
;D ;D
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Excellent result - WP Liv
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Thanks guys, am soooo pleased ;D was a great tourney and lots of fun was had!
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we"re not worthy, we"re not worthy :D
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wp liv
;D
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As you can see Liv, your fan base is growing fast :)
Well done Liv and lots of success in your future pro career !
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nice result and well done
but.......
i dont get how someone who"s website says they are sponsored by a poker site can play in an APAT event, ???
not having a go or anything,i just dont get it ?
have i got it wrong
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i may be wrong, but Liv wasn"t sponsored when she played in the welsh champs back in january.
However, pro, not pro, sponsored or not sponsored, she is still a valued APAT member, and her story is exactly the type of thing APAT wants.
i would also bet that APAT have a target to help project more players into the pro ranks as well.
WD btw, a great result in a tough field!!
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That"s correct - when I played the Welsh APAT I wasn"t signed and as such all was kosher! Not sure about my eligibility for future APATs now the situation"s changed, but I"d certainly love to play them. The best structure for that buy-in you could ever dream of!
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Clearly there wasn"t an issue with Liv"s previous APAT experiences and I think if common sense is applied, there may not be an issue if she wanted to appear in further events in Season Two.
I think it is fair to say that Absolute Poker signed Liv for her media background and game show popularity as opposed to her ability on the poker table. If they were going to sign a player based solely on their ability to earn a sole income from poker winnings, then I suspect that there were many online and live candidates that may have had a better case for that position, based on results.
The fact that Liv has gone on to win a major title on the Ladies circuit suggests that she has the potential to go on and become a significant player in the game, and I"m sure we would all be delighted if she did so. But right now, I would interpret her status as that of a media professional wearing an Absolute shirt as opposed to a poker professional. We should not forget that Liv was jetting off introducing online coverage of the European Poker Tour last season and that her introduction to the game came by way of a gameshow on TV. There has also been a far greater media response in the UK to her signing for Absolute, than Sorel Mizzi at Betfair for example. She has received magazine covers and double page features which were not due to results - important and all as finishing 6th in Cardiff was :)
One of the most important objectives of APAT is to give players the ability to experience the "real thing" for a low buy in. We claim to be the proving ground for talented players. We"ve seen George go from being the first out of an APAT event to winning the most recent Gala British Poker Tour event, we"ve seen Jon lead a WSOP event with two tables left, John Tabatabai finish runner up in the WSOPE, Alan Lake cash in a 2,500 player WSOP event, Phil Starrs cash in the EPT, Nick Wright cash in the WPT, we"ve had countless players final table GUKPT events, Baz has finished 3rd in an online World Championship event and we"ve also got a monthly PokerStars TLB winner and a PokerStars Sunday Million winner amongst our membership.
All of these players have played APAT events prior to their successes. We are a proving ground and I think we should be careful not to exclude a member from continuing their development because they"ve picked up a sponsorship not 100% based on playing ability.
Now that"s my view as opposed to an official APAT position. It"s an interesting debate and one we were likely to have sooner rather than later given the results that some of our players are starting to churn out.
What do you think?
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That is the essence of APAT, to propell players into the higher echelons of Poker. I think most people who play poker would one day love to end up winning a major competition and for them to be approached and sponsored.
Also, Liv will bring positive press and media exposure to the APAT which can only be a good thing. As I see it, it is what the APAT is about.
WP Liv
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And, Liv would make a great addition to the APAT forum team...... ::)
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And, Liv would make a great addition to the APAT forum team...... ::)
Ian that is a top idea! Des- shall I PM Liv??? ;)
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Well played Liv. 8)
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And, Liv would make a great addition to the APAT forum team...... ::)
Have I mentioned that I would like to be on the APAT team ;D
My view on this subject is simple. Once an APATer, always and APATer. By players developing their game through the APAT structure and then going on to amazing success around the world can only be a good thing for the reputation of our tournaments.
It also shows players what can be achieved. I would like to think that all of these players who are going on to great achievements will give a little credit to APAT at some point.
This takes us back to the great debate of when does a poker player become a pro. I don"t think this hurts to keep it a reasonably grey area on this topic as I think Des has got Liv"s current situation spot on and it would be great to see her around an APAT table again in season 2. We"re all still learining after all and it can only be a good thing.
As long as we keep the structures and buy-in"s right for APAT, then it"s all good.
Leigh
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And, Liv would make a great addition to the APAT forum team...... ::)
Have I mentioned that I would like to be on the APAT team ;D
My view on this subject is simple. Once an APATer, always and APATer. By players developing their game through the APAT structure and then going on to amazing success around the world can only be a good thing for the reputation of our tournaments.
It also shows players what can be achieved. I would like to think that all of these players who are going on to great achievements will give a little credit to APAT at some point.
This takes us back to the great debate of when does a poker player become a pro. I don"t think this hurts to keep it a reasonably grey area on this topic as I think Des has got Liv"s current situation spot on and it would be great to see her around an APAT table again in season 2. We"re all still learining after all and it can only be a good thing.
As long as we keep the structures and buy-in"s right for APAT, then it"s all good.
Leigh
Agreed...
Plus I REALLY wouldn"t mind seeing Liv sit accross from me one time :D
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Congrats on the win Liv! ;D
I was reading in WPT magazine that you had/have been gettin some pointers from Annie Duke!......i think its only fair to share the knowledge with ur fellow APATers ;)
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Well done Liv, hope it"s a springboard to many more successes in the future.