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Title: Shoving Range?
Post by: AAroddersAA on August 26, 2013, 19:01:05 PM
Shoving Range here? 180 Man Turbo. Only 54 Hands on the BB, here seem to be playing quite tight. Pretty easy one this I guess but wanted to know people opinions.

PokerStars Hand #103260263120: Tournament #779497785, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2013/08/26 18:40:29 WET [2013/08/26 13:40:29 ET]
Table "779497785 4" 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: sword222 (3755 in chips)
Seat 3: 33teetwo33 (2150 in chips)
Seat 4: paultjehhh (1942 in chips)
Seat 5: Romanu47 (2485 in chips)
Seat 6: TeSokando (3699 in chips)
Seat 7: sawyer.ol (495 in chips)
Seat 8: FurryProZac (6539 in chips)
Seat 9: kamilNB (3305 in chips)
33teetwo33: posts small blind 100
paultjehhh: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 33teetwo33
Romanu47: folds
TeSokando: folds
sawyer.ol: folds
FurryProZac: folds
kamilNB: folds
sword222: folds
33teetwo33:
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: Drewski on August 26, 2013, 22:34:51 PM
When i am in the SB i am generally a little tight. Mainly because in my opinion (incorrectly?) players dont give as much credit to the SB shove. A general answer would be AJ+ KQ+ 99+

Things I would consider are;

How often have am I perceived to have been stealing? How often has he been defending his blinds to steals? What is the BB"s M? What is my M? How much am i gaining? Are there other clear spots available?

If I have a healthy stack I won"t steal as much until the antes kick in, or if I have a complete nit on my left. My stats will look like I am not stealing very often and I get more credit. I"d rather look for other weak spots.

This is such a common situation though, awkward stack size and the next level is going to eat us up. We don"t have enough chips to be creative with our stealing (limp then lead v tight players bb). Got to get those chips. Really keen to read others opinions

Apologies for my waffle

Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: Santino67 on August 26, 2013, 23:30:21 PM
Depends how you view the BB mate IMO. If you think he can only defend with top range with his stack then I"m certainly raising most of the time. Does it need to be a shove?
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: AAroddersAA on August 26, 2013, 23:37:20 PM

Depends how you view the BB mate IMO. If you think he can only defend with top range with his stack then I"m certainly raising most of the time. Does it need to be a shove?

Yes, I think it probably does. I only have 11BB in a turbo structure.
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: Santino67 on August 26, 2013, 23:43:28 PM


Depends how you view the BB mate IMO. If you think he can only defend with top range with his stack then I"m certainly raising most of the time. Does it need to be a shove?

Yes, I think it probably does. I only have 11BB in a turbo structure.


Then I"m probably shoving with just about anything if you think he"ll need a premium hand to defend. That"s the problem with turbos mate, not enough time to be patient and wait for good cards or better spots.
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: AAroddersAA on August 26, 2013, 23:48:25 PM



Depends how you view the BB mate IMO. If you think he can only defend with top range with his stack then I"m certainly raising most of the time. Does it need to be a shove?

Yes, I think it probably does. I only have 11BB in a turbo structure.


Then I"m probably shoving with just about anything if you think he"ll need a premium hand to defend. That"s the problem with turbos mate, not enough time to be patient and wait for good cards or better spots.

I actually think this is an excellent spot to shove any two :)

Good or bad?
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: Santino67 on August 26, 2013, 23:55:01 PM




Depends how you view the BB mate IMO. If you think he can only defend with top range with his stack then I"m certainly raising most of the time. Does it need to be a shove?

Yes, I think it probably does. I only have 11BB in a turbo structure.


Then I"m probably shoving with just about anything if you think he"ll need a premium hand to defend. That"s the problem with turbos mate, not enough time to be patient and wait for good cards or better spots.

I actually think this is an excellent spot to shove any two :)

Good or bad?


My thinking as well mate dependent on opponent. You"re only ever gonna be in real bad shape against and over pair or if your called and dominated
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: Fatcatstu on August 27, 2013, 00:17:08 AM
Has the software broken and you havent been dealt any cards?

Mrs Bunn The Baker and a blue Uno card.
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: s4ooter on August 27, 2013, 00:33:50 AM
ATC is +chipEV
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: Santino67 on August 27, 2013, 00:55:47 AM

Has the software broken and you havent been dealt any cards?

Mrs Bunn The Baker and a blue Uno card.


:D  :D  :D
Almost fell off my chair then Stu!
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: deanp27 on August 27, 2013, 10:43:59 AM
i"m not even looking, especially if he is calling tight - shame no antes though. Might fold pure trash hands though like 23o but shoving almost anything
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: fatpants on August 27, 2013, 12:03:30 PM
shoving almost any 2!  Just coz he looks like he has been playing tight doesnt mean he aint calling light though imo!  These games, once they get to this stage are pretty much shove fest so if he is a decent reg his calling range wont be as tight as you expect!
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: Swinebag on August 27, 2013, 15:59:47 PM
Villain seems more likely to call off lighter so I would take out non broadway unsuited 4 gappers (94o-) and worse from my ATC range
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: Drewski on August 27, 2013, 22:02:51 PM

ATC is +chipEV


I guess I"m far too tight in this spot then. Everyone else seems to be shoving light here.
Title: Re: Shoving Range?
Post by: dwh103 on August 27, 2013, 23:02:32 PM

Villain seems more likely to call off lighter so I would take out non broadway unsuited 4 gappers (94o-) and worse from my ATC range


About this, somewhere between an 75-100% range depending on BB. At this level, more likely to shove ATC.