Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: AAroddersAA on September 08, 2013, 16:32:11 PM
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Early in the session, only 4 hands in. How would you play and size each street?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php
Hero (UTG) ($10.15)
MP ($17.68)
Button ($9.21)
SB ($2.85)
BB ($10)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif), 6(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif)
Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ($1) 9(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif), 8(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif), Q(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif) (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.65, MP calls $0.65, 1 fold
Turn: ($2.30) 4(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif) (2 players)
Hero bets $1, MP calls $1
River: ($4.30) 2(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif) (2 players)
Hero bets $8.20 (All-In), 1 fold
Total pot: $4.30 | Rake: $0.19
Results below: [spoiler]
Hero didn"t show A(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif), 6(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif) (flush, Ace high).[/spoiler]
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Steve I have been working on some bet sizing processes recently which you are probably be aware and may or may not find helpful :
First of all you work out stack to pot size ratio. In this case it after the flop yours is the effective stack. You have 9.15 left and $1 in pot. So is SPR is 9.15. Obviously ideally you want to get you full stack in by the river. So it would be useful to know what bet sizing on each street will achieve this :
Pot betting on 3 streets will get achieve SPR of 13, 3/4 pot SPR of 7.3, and 1/2 pot SPR of 3.5. So something between 3/4 pot and pot will achieve this. In this case if say he has a big draw you may want to get more in before the river. So by pot betting flop and turn if my maths are right you will have pot of $9 by turn and £5.85 stack which it may be difficult for him to fold on teh river if he has anything.
I appreciate you may scare him away but at this level if he calls 65c on flop he will probably call $1 and nothing appears to have changed on turn. As at is its hard for him call overbet on river unless he has the King of hearts, and then its probably a clsoe call.
Not sure if this makes sense ?
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So by pot betting flop and turn if my maths are right you will have pot of $9 by turn and £5.85 stack which it may be difficult for him to fold on teh river if he has anything.
Curious about this common enough spot and what I sometimes call a negative freeroll, often it"s even more extreme, say $13 in the pot and $3.85 behind.
Let"s assume for convenience villain is on a draw, this is usually the case. In these spots the last $3.85 - $5.85 only goes in when we lose, so when we win the pot is $9 - $13 but when villain gets there the pot is potentially $20.70 and we likely cant fold getting between 2.5 : 1 and 4.5 : 1.
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Curious about this common enough spot and what I sometimes call a negative freeroll, often it"s even more extreme, say $13 in the pot and $3.85 behind.
Let"s assume for convenience villain is on a draw, this is usually the case. In these spots the last $3.85 - $5.85 only goes in when we lose, so when we win the pot is $9 - $13 but when villain gets there the pot is potentially $20.70 and we likely cant fold getting between 2.5 : 1 and 4.5 : 1.
Wow Mind boggling Brendan ??? I hadn"t thought about like that. I guess there"s a stack / pot size where can just fold if the board improves, and immediately above that spot there is a range where it would be-ev to build the pot any more!! I guess it doesnt apply so much here because villain may well be calling to draw to a hand which you beat, rather than for instance to a full house.
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Steve I have been working on some bet sizing processes recently which you are probably be aware and may or may not find helpful :
At micros you can often massively overbet the pot.....
Boss No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) - Boss Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Hero (UTG) ($61.50)
Button ($10.06)
SB ($6.39)
BB ($27.62)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif), J(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif)
Hero raises $0.28, 2 folds, BB calls $0.18
Flop: ($0.61) J(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif), A(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif), J(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50
Turn: ($1.61) K(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.40, BB calls $1.40
River: ($4.41) Q(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $59.32 (All-In), BB calls $25.44 (All-In)
Total pot: $55.29
Results below: [spoiler]
BB had 10(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif), Q(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif) (straight, Ace high).
Hero had A(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif), J(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif) (full house, Jacks over Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $86.39[/spoiler]
Boss No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (4 handed) - Boss Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
SB ($19.12)
BB ($23.61)
Hero (UTG) ($26.01)
Button ($21.08)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif), 4(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif)
Hero raises $0.57, Button calls $0.57, 2 folds
Flop: ($1.44) 4(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif), K(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif), 2(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.72, Button calls $0.72
Turn: ($2.88) A(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif) (2 players)
Hero bets $1.44, Button calls $1.44
River: ($5.76) 5(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif) (2 players)
Hero bets $23.28 (All-In), Button calls $18.35 (All-In)
Total pot: $42.46
Results below: [spoiler]
Button had 2(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif), 2(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif) (three of a kind, twos).
Hero had 3(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif), 4(http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif) (straight flush, five high).
Outcome: Hero won $45.27[/spoiler]