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Title: JM 4/9/13 Should I fold nut straight to river raise with possible flush/house
Post by: Charlie44 on September 10, 2013, 18:12:20 PM
Is this line of ok. Bad spot to bluff turn ? What is line on river check/fold, check/call, bet/fold or bet/call ? Have only 94 hands on villain 17/13/0. Cbet 33%.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: $6.23
SB: $21.74
Hero (BB): $7.50
UTG: $10.81
UTG+1: $9.79
UTG+2: $10.65
MP: $11.31
MP+1: $27.99
CO: $11.80

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 6s 8s
fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.26, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.16

Flop : ($0.57, 2 players) Qd 7c 4c
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

Turn : ($0.57, 2 players) 4h
Hero bets $0.32, UTG+1 calls $0.32

River : ($1.21, 2 players) 5c
Hero bets $0.69, UTG+1 raises to $1.60, Hero calls $0.91

Title: Re: JM 4/9/13 Should I fold nut straight to river raise with possible flush/house
Post by: mporter123 on September 10, 2013, 19:06:34 PM
Fold pre. Peeling these sorts of hands out of position will get you in trouble.

As played, am unsure on betting the turn, he is unlikely to be folding a pair so checking back seems fine.

River is a clear fold once raised. We don"t want to fold as we made our gin card but we are VERY rarely winning as he never raises worse.
Title: Re: JM 4/9/13 Should I fold nut straight to river raise with possible flush/house
Post by: AAroddersAA on September 10, 2013, 20:46:59 PM
3-bet or fold pre, stop playing these hands without a full stack :)

I quite like betting the turn and think we do get enough folds here. Whilst I agree with Mark we do not get many folds from pairs I think he has air often enough to get it through.

River is a check/call as he can have a flush and full house, our hand is not actually that strong on that board. He should have a full house as a flush should call I think.

I would check/call river but bet fold might be fine. I definately don"t think we get raised by a hand like AQ or A4 here, they would just be calling. AQ should have bet the flop though and a 4 might well raise the turn. Not sure and will read other response but I like check/call on the river.

As played - fold.
Title: Re: JM 4/9/13 Should I fold nut straight to river raise with possible flush/house
Post by: Newportlad on September 10, 2013, 23:15:51 PM
Definitely fold pre.
If other players before you had called, then you can/should call with this hand.

As played then, a bet on the turn is fine. Raiser has shown no interest after the flop. If you check the turn, then you are showing a lot of weakness, and have to fold to any bet (unless you want to take a weird check/raise line). How else are you going to win the hand if you don"t bet?

The turn is your gin card, so you have to bet. However, once raised, I just call. He can easily have the flush here. Full House is also possible (but unlikely).
Title: Re: JM 4/9/13 Should I fold nut straight to river raise with possible flush/house
Post by: deanp27 on September 11, 2013, 08:55:55 AM
pre is fine. Line looks fine to me.
Title: Re: JM 4/9/13 Should I fold nut straight to river raise with possible flush/house
Post by: Charlie44 on September 11, 2013, 20:48:52 PM
Thanks for the replies guys. He had slowed played 77 for a made set on flop and house by turn.

Still not convinced I have played this particulrly badly apart from perhaps calling pre. Even though on limited hands he had only cont bet 33% of time.

By calling the turn I put him on perhaps medium pocket pair.

I felt I could get value on the river and a number of worse hands could call. The river raise confused me but to be honest for the size of the raise I had to be winning only 21% of the time to be right to call.

I think I make a note of slow playing big hands and not getting value and move on.