Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Live Poker => Topic started by: IrishTom on October 08, 2013, 16:39:40 PM
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As a (mainly) cash poker player myself for many years, I especially look forward to seeing how the Cash Tour continues to develop throughout Season 7 - and no doubt I (hope) will receive your feedback to help with fine-tuning this unique experience.
(BELOW AMENDED 14 OCT 2013:)
A Player Briefing, Full Schedule of Events, Cash Tour Rules, Seat Availability - in fact all official information for Glasgow will be posted on this thread when finalised and with the LATEST details, decisions and updates incorporated into the first 3 message postings on this forum topic. is be available HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14335.0)
Please, please do take the time to introduce yourself to me over the weekend - it"s going to be a busy one!
I look forward to meeting you all there.
Regards/Irish Tom
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Thanks Tom, and just for the benefit of the guys.....Tom is the current IPO Champion and was the chipleader at the most recent Irish Open when it reached the final table. So a pretty mean tournament player also!
(http://www.boylepoker.com/Content/Images/Tom.JPG)
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Are you really planning to run the Cash championships on Friday and Saturday night, with the final table in the early hours of Sunday morning? This could cause a clash with anyone left in the main event.
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Apologies, I didn"t read the cash tour championships proposal before posting.
It certainly gives more players the opportunity to get involved, but as in the previous post, it could cause clashes for some players.
Regardless of how its run, I"m in!
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Hi Rhino, Cash Tour FT planned to run early afternoon on Sunday and to conclude 15 mins before the start of the ME Final 27 - so any of the Cash Tour FT who have also qualified for the ME Final 27 will have 15 mins between events - on average, I guestimate that would be around 2 players.
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Hi Tom, I can now see you"ve given this a lot more thought than me and hope it all works out well.
I"ll look forward to meeting you in Glasgow.
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Can"t wait, will def come say Hi Tom, cheers for the great planning and update.
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Please see the 3rd posting on page 1 of this thread for an updated list of attendees for the Main Event - there remains only 7 EVENTBRITE "RESERVE A SEAT" places left to guarantee your seat - you can do so by CLICKING HERE (http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/org/4053909103).
Your comments/queries etc are still very welcome for the DRAFT Glasgow Player Briefing and Schedule of Events (and Cash Tour schedule and rules etc) as notified and still available to read on the 2nd posting on page 1 of this thread.
Regards/Tom
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I"m a little concerned that my name doesn"t appear on the list of attendees. I won a seat under the FPP"s promotion and asked to play in the Scottish Championships on that thread and Matt confirmed my request!
Thanks for your attention in this matter
Vaino Tiik
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Quick question - one of the Lancashire contingent has paid the £5 reserve-a-seat fee but now can"t guarantee to be at the casino before the cards are in the air. Would I be able to pay for him at the cash desk and his chips be put in play from the start ?
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I"m a little concerned that my name doesn"t appear on the list of attendees. I won a seat under the FPP"s promotion and asked to play in the Scottish Championships on that thread and Matt confirmed my request!
Thanks for your attention in this matter
Vaino Tiik
Now confirmed and added to list below.
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Thanks Tom.
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Quick question - one of the Lancashire contingent has paid the £5 reserve-a-seat fee but now can"t guarantee to be at the casino before the cards are in the air. Would I be able to pay for him at the cash desk and his chips be put in play from the start ?
Please see the new addition to the Player Briefing which should clarify things for you:
Registered players (and ALL players MUST register on the day) who have not taken their seat by the start of the first break, will have their chips removed from the event and their seat immediately made available for late-entrants/Alternates (who may join DURING the break).
This suggests that the travelling/late player must have registered at the casino before the start of play.
You haven"t answered the question of whether players can register for other players in their absence.
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Quick question - one of the Lancashire contingent has paid the £5 reserve-a-seat fee but now can"t guarantee to be at the casino before the cards are in the air. Would I be able to pay for him at the cash desk and his chips be put in play from the start ?
Please see the new addition to the Player Briefing which should clarify things for you:
Registered players (and ALL players MUST register on the day) who have not taken their seat by the start of the first break, will have their chips removed from the event and their seat immediately made available for late-entrants/Alternates (who may join DURING the break).
This suggests that the travelling/late player must have registered at the casino before the start of play.
You haven"t answered the question of whether players can register for other players in their absence.
I thought this was not allowed
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oh dear - I do seem to have got confused - bear with me please...
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I can honestly say that if I have pre-paid to enter an event, I have never ever then had to register at the cash desk on the day, I just go and find my seat.
This has happened to me once and once only. Worryingly it was the APAT Omaha event at DTD at the end of August, so maybe there is a precedent here. Was told to register at the cash desk even though I had bought in online days before. Others that were told to do the same were as surprised as I was. I didn"t ask what would have happened if I"d have not done this, since I was there anyway so registering was no problem. The event didn"t sell out so there were no alternates to find seats for, but boy there would have been some pissed off people if it had have sold out and they had been withdrawn with no refund for being 10 minutes late.
The new "rule" if there is one seems to be related to introduction of the reserve a seat for £5 option. If you pay a fiver and are not there at the start then you lose the fiver. I think we can all accept that. But can someone else pay the full fee for you and register you? Would that be a new rule? At some places this wouldn"t even be possible without a players card.
But if someone has paid the full fee or won a seat in advance and is late their money is in the prize pool. The should at the very least be given till the first break to get there and asking them to register at the casino before the event starts or lose the buy-in is just plain daft.
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I can honestly say that if I have pre-paid to enter an event, I have never ever then had to register at the cash desk on the day, I just go and find my seat.
This has happened to me once and once only. Worryingly it was the APAT Omaha event at DTD at the end of August, so maybe there is a precedent here. Was told to register at the cash desk even though I had bought in online days before. Others that were told to do the same were as surprised as I was. I didn"t ask what would have happened if I"d have not done this, since I was there anyway so registering was no problem. The event didn"t sell out so there were no alternates to find seats for, but boy there would have been some pissed off people if it had have sold out and they had been withdrawn with no refund for being 10 minutes late.
The new "rule" if there is one seems to be related to introduction of the reserve a seat for £5 option. If you pay a fiver and are not there at the start then you lose the fiver. I think we can all accept that. But can someone else pay the full fee for you and register you? Would that be a new rule? At some places this wouldn"t even be possible without a players card.
But if someone has paid the full fee or won a seat in advance and is late their money is in the prize pool. The should at the very least be given till the first break to get there and asking them to register at the casino before the event starts or lose the buy-in is just plain daft.
I think that is a huge understatement. IMHO, crazy suggestion, crazy rule and only going to send people elsewhere in the long term.
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The new "rule" if there is one seems to be related to introduction of the reserve a seat for £5 option. If you pay a fiver and are not there at the start then you lose the fiver.
As I understand it you lose the fiver whether you turn up or not... ???
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Quick question - one of the Lancashire contingent has paid the £5 reserve-a-seat fee but now can"t guarantee to be at the casino before the cards are in the air. Would I be able to pay for him at the cash desk and his chips be put in play from the start ?
To clarify -
the Eventbrite "reserve a seat" facility guarantees a player a seat for a cost of £5 which needs to be paid immediately to Eventbrite - this fee is non-refundable whether the player turns up or not.
thereafter, those who have used Eventbrite need to register within the timeframe at the venue and pay the full buyin of £75+£7.50 there and then, in person, otherwise they would have to take the chance of getting in as a Late Entry (if the event is not full - but I strongly believe it will be) which can be up to and including the first break (after 3 levels of play) or as an Alternate (if the event is full) which can be up to and including the first break if a seat becomes available before play re-commences - an "Alternates List" will be maintained on a first-come-first-served (in person) basis.
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Quick question - one of the Lancashire contingent has paid the £5 reserve-a-seat fee but now can"t guarantee to be at the casino before the cards are in the air. Would I be able to pay for him at the cash desk and his chips be put in play from the start ?
To clarify -
the Eventbrite "reserve a seat" facility guarantees a player a seat for a cost of £5 which needs to be paid immediately to Eventbrite - this fee is non-refundable whether the player turns up or not.
thereafter, those who have used Eventbrite need to register within the timeframe at the venue and pay the full buyin of £75+£7.50 there and then, in person, otherwise they would have to take the chance of getting in as a Late Entry (if the event is not full - but I strongly believe it will be) which can be up to and including the first break (after 3 levels of play) or as an Alternate (if the event is full) which can be up to and including the first break if a seat becomes available before play re-commences.
So paying £5 to guarantee a seat doesn"t actually guarantee a seat.
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Quick question - one of the Lancashire contingent has paid the £5 reserve-a-seat fee but now can"t guarantee to be at the casino before the cards are in the air. Would I be able to pay for him at the cash desk and his chips be put in play from the start ?
To clarify -
the Eventbrite "reserve a seat" facility guarantees a player a seat for a cost of £5 which needs to be paid immediately to Eventbrite - this fee is non-refundable whether the player turns up or not.
thereafter, those who have used Eventbrite need to register within the timeframe at the venue and pay the full buyin of £75+£7.50 there and then, in person, otherwise they would have to take the chance of getting in as a Late Entry (if the event is not full - but I strongly believe it will be) which can be up to and including the first break (after 3 levels of play) or as an Alternate (if the event is full) which can be up to and including the first break if a seat becomes available before play re-commences.
So paying £5 to guarantee a seat doesn"t actually guarantee a seat.
It does - it guarantees you your seat without having to turn up on the day and hope for the best - but you have to pay for it - on time - and if you haven"t paid for it, on time, you lose it
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I"m finding this difficult to understand what the issue is here...
£5 guarantees you a seat, which you have to pay for in advance of the tournament starting.
It does not guarantee you a seat for you to turn up and pay within 5 minutes of the first break.
But I think we have gone a long way from what ian.ski309 initially asked... "Can he pay the entry fee for his friend because he does not think he might make it in time, or does it have to actually be paid in person by the actual cardplayer?"
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Quick question - one of the Lancashire contingent has paid the £5 reserve-a-seat fee but now can"t guarantee to be at the casino before the cards are in the air. Would I be able to pay for him at the cash desk and his chips be put in play from the start ?
Ian, thinking further on this (now that I"ve clarified the position on pre-bought-in players do NOT have to register on the day an chips will remain in play) - as long as the venue requirements are met (eg does a player need to show ID to register) then yes, as long as a player "is registered and bought in" then their chips will remain in play - and a player does not need to register in person from an APAT pov (again I emphasise subject to meeting any requirements of the venue)
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It"s probably just me being a bit thick/old/senile/all of the above, but every additional post to this thread just seems to add to the confusion. I really have no idea what"s going on ??? :(
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Seems pretty clear to me.
Reserved a Seat - Paid £5.
If you don"t turn up and pay before the start time...you"re out and your seat is up for grabs first come, first served.
Pre-paid / Allocated a Paid seat.
You"re in UNLESS the venue requires that you turn up and confirm your ID in some way.
At least that"s the way I read it.
Perhaps what needs to be clarified is the venue"s tourney registration requirements, I would have thought a phone call could sort that out.
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I"m pretty sure that the Alea is a "walk in" casino...ie you dont need to register or show ID to gain entry.
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I"m pretty sure that the Alea is a "walk in" casino...ie you dont need to register or show ID to gain entry.
What I"ve quoted below is what I"ve been verbally advised by Alea Glasgow - ie the "Challenge 25" policy - so Tom I would say you are right for those aged over 25 - but if you "look 25 or under" they will challenge you to show id - and if you are actually 25 or under you are required to register as a member
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Seems pretty clear to me.
Reserved a Seat - Paid £5.
If you don"t turn up and pay before the start time...you"re out and your seat is up for grabs first come, first served.
Pre-paid / Allocated a Paid seat.
You"re in UNLESS the venue requires that you turn up and confirm your ID in some way.
At least that"s the way I read it.
Perhaps what needs to be clarified is the venue"s tourney registration requirements, I would have thought a phone call could sort that out.
I"ve asked the question via text to poker room manager and hope to have a reply today
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Seems pretty clear to me.
Reserved a Seat - Paid £5.
If you don"t turn up and pay before the start time...you"re out and your seat is up for grabs first come, first served.
Pre-paid / Allocated a Paid seat.
You"re in UNLESS the venue requires that you turn up and confirm your ID in some way.
At least that"s the way I read it.
Perhaps what needs to be clarified is the venue"s tourney registration requirements, I would have thought a phone call could sort that out.
I"ve asked the question via text to poker room manager and hope to have a reply today
I can confirm that registration/buy-in in Alea Glasgow is not required to be "in person" - the Player Briefing has been updated.
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Registration for players who have NOT bought-in in advance (ie paid or had paid for them the entry fee in advance) will be open and required at the venue cash desk from 12:00 to 13:30 on Saturday. Players do not need to register and buy in "in person" as long as any requirements of the venue are met (ie if the venue require ID to be shown to register then this will be required).
I would hope that the updated Player Briefing makes everything clear - let me know what you"re not sure about and I"ll clarify.
Just for the purposes of ironing out any ambiguity or misunderstanding - does that mean that I can go to the cash desk on the morning of the tournament and buy in on behalf of a friend who has paid the "reserve a seat" fee ? He may not arrive at the casino until 3 or 4pm, so his chips will be in play from 2pm ? Sorry to be a nuisance but it"s a long trip for him if he"s not guaranteed a seat.
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Registration for players who have NOT bought-in in advance (ie paid or had paid for them the entry fee in advance) will be open and required at the venue cash desk from 12:00 to 13:30 on Saturday. Players do not need to register and buy in "in person" as long as any requirements of the venue are met (ie if the venue require ID to be shown to register then this will be required).
I would hope that the updated Player Briefing makes everything clear - let me know what you"re not sure about and I"ll clarify.
Just for the purposes of ironing out any ambiguity or misunderstanding - does that mean that I can go to the cash desk on the morning of the tournament and buy in on behalf of a friend who has paid the "reserve a seat" fee ? He may not arrive at the casino until 3 or 4pm, so his chips will be in play from 2pm ? Sorry to be a nuisance but it"s a long trip for him if he"s not guaranteed a seat.
Not a nuisance at all Ian - my "Player Briefing" no doubt comes across as anal to some - but I hope it answers questions for many more - as is its purpose.
You are correct that you can do that - and yes his chips will remain in play.
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Many thanks Tom. I look forward to meeting you and buying you a beer in Glasgow ;)
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The finalised Player Briefing and weekend Schedule of Events can be found here http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14335.0
Please continue to ask questions etc on this thread here though... (I"ve locked the thread above so it is immediately viewable to players without having to trawl through a long discussion thread)
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Many thanks Tom. I look forward to meeting you and buying you a beer in Glasgow ;)
Apparently APAT Staff don"t drink whilst events are on-going! :o
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Hi Tom
Last year the Alea drafted in local players and paid them to deal the tables. It wasn"t great, tbh. Do we know oif there"s going to be professional dealers this year?
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Hi Tom
Last year the Alea drafted in local players and paid them to deal the tables. It wasn"t great, tbh. Do we know oif there"s going to be professional dealers this year?
TC - have confirmation they are providing dealers - as to the "quality" of those dealers well, beyond me I"m afraid as it"s not something that is usually asked during discussions with a casino poker room - taken for granted etc... However, thanks for the info on the quality of last year and from that pov I will mention to my poc that we had some concerns with the quality of dealers at last year"s event.. and take it from there.
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Hi Tom,
I am wondering if you can confirm how many players have registered for the scottish championship at Alea. My friend said this morning (around 3am) that when he tried to reserve a seat through the eventbrite that it said it was sold out. But i noticed your updated list today at midday said 99/120. Could you please confirm the situation please? Would also like to congratulate the merge of LPPL and APAT. As an LPPL member i know that yourself and sharky put on a great show and are a great addition to APAT
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APAT Scottish Pub Poker Championship
Can APAT player register for this on the Sunday ?
I see from the LPPL site that after initails registrations taken into account any LPPL memeber can play , but only if played in an LPPL in the last 12 months , does this then rule us out ?
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Hi Tom,
I am wondering if you can confirm how many players have registered for the scottish championship at Alea. My friend said this morning (around 3am) that when he tried to reserve a seat through the eventbrite that it said it was sold out. But i noticed your updated list today at midday said 99/120. Could you please confirm the situation please? Would also like to congratulate the merge of LPPL and APAT. As an LPPL member i know that yourself and sharky put on a great show and are a great addition to APAT
Hi Kauto, the Eventbrite reserve a seat has indeed sold out - please have a look at the finalised Glasgow player briefing (etc) (pinned) for details of few remaining seats (Saturday night had online sats for 5 seats - tomorrow opens at 1200 noon for direct buyin online etc)
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Hi Tom/everyone.
Nice to see these threads never lack confusion. lol. All looks pretty straight forward to me and i"m looking forward to seeing you all in Glasgow. ;)
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Ok this thread is a nightmare so I have to apologise for adding to it.
I just logged into the APAT site to buy in direct about an hour ago. I understand that the event is not yet full and registration via the poker site was supposed to be open until 31st Oct or until the event was full. So why can I not buy in direct in advance? I will definitely be there, might not be on time. I don"t want to or shouldn"t need to pay a fiver to reserve a seat because I actually want to buy my seat in advance. I repeat that the APAT site states that buying in direct will be available in advance up until the 31st of October or until the event is full.
Please advise.
As an aside this paying a reservation fee and being pissed about with buying in in advance is seriously pissing off a lot of people and APAT need to get their act together or risk losing the massive amount of goodwill that we have towards them.
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Ok this thread is a nightmare so I have to apologise for adding to it.
I just logged into the APAT site to buy in direct about an hour ago. I understand that the event is not yet full and registration via the poker site was supposed to be open until 31st Oct or until the event was full. So why can I not buy in direct in advance? I will definitely be there, might not be on time. I don"t want to or shouldn"t need to pay a fiver to reserve a seat because I actually want to buy my seat in advance. I repeat that the APAT site states that buying in direct will be available in advance up until the 31st of October or until the event is full.
Please advise.
As an aside this paying a reservation fee and being pissed about with buying in in advance is seriously pissing off a lot of people and APAT need to get their act together or risk losing the massive amount of goodwill that we have towards them.
GiMac, this thread was the original DRAFT Scottish thread - it has now been overtaken and the FINAL player briefing, schedule of events and list of attendees is here http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14335.0
The Online Direct Buyin was open until 31st Oct - or until sold out - it sold out this morning, therefore closed - ie the ONLINE Direct Buyin sold out, not the event.
However, the ONLY remaining seats available are with the venue - these can be purchased at the venue, or over the phone with them - I would suggest the best time to call is around 7-8pm when the poker room usually opens.
For info, the general "buyin" process for Glasgow has been:
Eventbrite - reserve a seat (if you wish) months in advance
Online Satellite Sat 19th Oct
Mon 21st Oct direct buyin online
Mon 21st Oct direct buyin at venue
I hope this helps.
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As a (mainly) cash poker player myself for many years, I especially look forward to seeing how the Cash Tour continues to develop throughout Season 7 - and no doubt I (hope) will receive your feedback to help with fine-tuning this unique experience.
(BELOW AMENDED 14 OCT 2013:)
A Player Briefing, Full Schedule of Events, Cash Tour Rules, Seat Availability - in fact all official information for Glasgow will be posted on this thread when finalised and with the LATEST details, decisions and updates incorporated into the first 3 message postings on this forum topic. is be available HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14335.0)
Please, please do take the time to introduce yourself to me over the weekend - it"s going to be a busy one!
I look forward to meeting you all there.
Regards/Irish Tom
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Ok this thread is a nightmare so I have to apologise for adding to it.
I just logged into the APAT site to buy in direct about an hour ago. I understand that the event is not yet full and registration via the poker site was supposed to be open until 31st Oct or until the event was full. So why can I not buy in direct in advance? I will definitely be there, might not be on time. I don"t want to or shouldn"t need to pay a fiver to reserve a seat because I actually want to buy my seat in advance. I repeat that the APAT site states that buying in direct will be available in advance up until the 31st of October or until the event is full.
Please advise.
As an aside this paying a reservation fee and being pissed about with buying in in advance is seriously pissing off a lot of people and APAT need to get their act together or risk losing the massive amount of goodwill that we have towards them.
GiMac, this thread was the original DRAFT Scottish thread - it has now been overtaken and the FINAL player briefing, schedule of events and list of attendees is here http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14335.0
The Online Direct Buyin was open until 31st Oct - or until sold out - it sold out this morning, therefore closed - ie the ONLINE Direct Buyin sold out, not the event.
However, the ONLY remaining seats available are with the venue - these can be purchased at the venue, or over the phone with them - I would suggest the best time to call is around 7-8pm when the poker room usually opens.
For info, the general "buyin" process for Glasgow has been:
Eventbrite - reserve a seat (if you wish) months in advance
Online Satellite Sat 19th Oct
Mon 21st Oct direct buyin online
Mon 21st Oct direct buyin at venue
I hope this helps.
So the direct buy in opened today at midday, which is what I thought. I didn"t want or shouldn"t need to pay a £5 reservation fee cos I am buying in direct in advance, but because you had the reserve a seat open BEFORE the buy in direct there were only 5 seats available to buy in online in advance???? I assume this since there are only 5 players in the holding tank?
This is daft!!! People get to reserve before those that want to pay in full in advance? This is madness personified.
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As an aside this paying a reservation fee and being pissed about with buying in in advance is seriously pissing off a lot of people and APAT need to get their act together or risk losing the massive amount of goodwill that we have towards them.
GiMac, I hope my attempts (albeit they were relatively late in the process regarding APAT Glasgow) to make things clear via the Player Briefing has and will make this process much easier for members from here onwards.
It is my remit to deliver APAT Live Events (which includes LPPL events) and I will be doing my best to ensure you guys all know "where you stand" when it comes to event buyins and seat availability, event registration etc etc. I can assure you, it will not be from a lack of effort on my part to improve the whole process.
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Hey GiMac, I"m not sure I can agree it is madness - the Eventbrite "reserve a seat" facility allows those who wish to take this option to reserve a seat, yes at an additional cost of £5, months in advance of the event - at that point the exact details of the event will not be known, many discussions still need to be conducted with the venue - capacity, event timings etc - most things that the venue cannot confirm that far in advance - as things start to firm up and we can give you guys more "meat on the bones" of the event then that is when it is available to buyin in full in advance of the event - if at this point the finer details turned out not to suit you, and you only reserved a seat via Eventbrite, then that saves you losing the buyin and you can change your plans where it won"t cost you the buyin in full.
So Eventbrite allows you, if you wish, to spend £5 and guarantee your seat without committing the full buyin amount months in advance when the finer details of the event haven"t been confirmed.
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As an aside this paying a reservation fee and being pissed about with buying in in advance is seriously pissing off a lot of people and APAT need to get their act together or risk losing the massive amount of goodwill that we have towards them.
GiMac, I hope my attempts (albeit they were relatively late in the process regarding APAT Glasgow) to make things clear via the Player Briefing has and will make this process much easier for members from here onwards.
It is my remit to deliver APAT Live Events (which includes LPPL events) and I will be doing my best to ensure you guys all know "where you stand" when it comes to event buyins and seat availability, event registration etc etc. I can assure you, it will not be from a lack of effort on my part to improve the whole process.
I"m sure you will sir and I wish you the very best of luck. :)
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Hey GiMac, I"m not sure I can agree it is madness - the Eventbrite "reserve a seat" facility allows those who wish to take this option to reserve a seat, yes at an additional cost of £5, months in advance of the event - at that point the exact details of the event will not be known, many discussions still need to be conducted with the venue - capacity, event timings etc - most things that the venue cannot confirm that far in advance - as things start to firm up and we can give you guys more "meat on the bones" of the event then that is when it is available to buyin in full in advance of the event - if at this point the finer details turned out not to suit you, and you only reserved a seat via Eventbrite, then that saves you losing the buyin and you can change your plans where it won"t cost you the buyin in full.
So Eventbrite allows you, if you wish, to spend £5 and guarantee your seat without committing the full buyin amount months in advance when the finer details of the event haven"t been confirmed.
Sorry I disagree and i refer you to the other thread in general reference to my views on reservation vs advance purchase. And if something arose that meant someone couldn"t attend we do have a seat exchange marketplace here so it"s highly unlikely and I am not aware of anyone who has ever lost their full buyin, as we can just sell our seats on there.
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However, the ONLY remaining seats available are with the venue - these can be purchased at the venue, or over the phone with them - I would suggest the best time to call is around 7-8pm when the poker room usually opens.
When contacted they advised that they thought APAT had requested the seats they had to be returned and were not aware of any seats that were available for direct buy in locally.
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However, the ONLY remaining seats available are with the venue - these can be purchased at the venue, or over the phone with them - I would suggest the best time to call is around 7-8pm when the poker room usually opens.
When contacted they advised that they thought APAT had requested the seats they had to be returned and were not aware of any seats that were available for direct buy in locally.
Well I can only take the blame for that myself - apologies - after deciding that it would be better to have those tickets available for sale here (forum or whatever) to our members rather than locally to locals - although, for whatever reason, I couldn"t get it confirmed by the venue last night - although you obv did (well, at least you were advised we wanted them back). Once my venue poc calls me and confirms exact details (names of those who have bought locally, amount spare etc) then I will advise everyone asap of available tickets and how to get them.
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However, the ONLY remaining seats available are with the venue - these can be purchased at the venue, or over the phone with them - I would suggest the best time to call is around 7-8pm when the poker room usually opens.
When contacted they advised that they thought APAT had requested the seats they had to be returned and were not aware of any seats that were available for direct buy in locally.
+1...I spoke to someone at the Alea and was told the same as I"d offered to buy in GiMac over the counter at the Alea.
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My son informed me last night that he had purchased one from the casino,
assuming he is telling truth!
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Re. Reserve a seat v Direct buy in. I think the reserve a seat option is great and applaude you guys for thinking about it. That said, I do agree that those willing to pay full buy in in advance should have a decent amount of seats allocated when the direct buy in opens. So yeah, basically I love the option of reserve a seat but I think the number of seat available through this should be limited and more available for the direct buy in. 50/50 would be fairer. Just some feedback for you guys. ;)
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My son informed me last night that he had purchased one from the casino,
assuming he is telling truth!
Sorry fella I"m confused. Did he buy it last night or tell you last night that he had bought it?
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This is my kid.........
I"ll try to find out exactly what he has done!
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This is my kid.........
I"ll try to find out exactly what he has done!
Thanks fella. ;D
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My son informed me last night that he had purchased one from the casino,
assuming he is telling truth!
+1 I bought 10 last night from the venue to add to the Reserve A Seat function. That"s £50 there I thought....
;D
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I won"t be playing this and have paid the £5 so someone is welcome to my option.
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I won"t be playing this and have paid the £5 so someone is welcome to my option.
I"ll take it please. PM me where you want the fiver sent.
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Wot a shambles
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I won"t be playing this and have paid the £5 so someone is welcome to my option.
I"ll take it please. PM me where you want the fiver sent.
Can someone transfer my option to Gordon please?
Use the fiver to buy the APAT guy a drink, think he deserves it having to put up with you lot.
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So many Glasgow briefings, threads and discussions, I am waiting for the final version before reading any. ;)
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Mikey you"ll find the final briefing HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14335.0) since 8th Oct - I agree we have lots of threads that seem to cover a lot of the same event and that is something I"m working on to improve and make much clearer for the future - the above link being an example where all OFFICIAL news and updates etc is in one place and NOT open to member contributions where the real content gets lost in questions etc etc
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I won"t be playing this and have paid the £5 so someone is welcome to my option.
I"ll take it please. PM me where you want the fiver sent.
Can someone transfer my option to Gordon please?
Use the fiver to buy the APAT guy a drink, think he deserves it having to put up with you lot.
Thanks Eck.
Bottle of Buckfast on ice will be waiting him. ;D
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L&G please see HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14335.0) for latest on Glasgow - including latest news on seat availability (and max runners) etc
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I won"t be playing this and have paid the £5 so someone is welcome to my option.
I"ll take it please. PM me where you want the fiver sent.
Can someone transfer my option to Gordon please?
Use the fiver to buy the APAT guy a drink, think he deserves it having to put up with you lot.
Thanks Eck.
Bottle of Buckfast on ice will be waiting him. ;D
I do believe that my hometown (Lurgan, Nor Ireland) and Glasgow are the largest two communities to consume the stuff!
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I"ll take that as confirmation that the transfer is being allowed. I have held off posting this until the transfer went through as it is not meant as an attempt to stop Gordon having Eck"s seat.
Maybe I misunderstood how the reservation system works. I thought the whole point of it was that you blocked a seat so no-one else could buy it but, if you didn"t play, you forfeited the £5 and the seat became available to everyone again. I didn"t think that someone could block a seat, decide not to play and then pass the reservation on to someone else of their choosing and not be out of pocket at all. If passing reservations around is allowed, then imo that is another reason to scrap the reservation idea totally and just have full buy-ins.
To clarify, I don"t have an issue with Gordon having Eck"s seat. In fact, let him have it as it appears that the rules weren"t clear. But could they be clarified for the future, cos I understood them differently to how they are being applied. Or, best option of all, scrap the reservations entirely.
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Hey John, no I cannot confirm this at present (and therefore have not updated/changed the list of attendees) - as I"m new to this I"m playing catch up and looking for clarification and will be posting a decision asap - but I personally believe you are correct in that it cannot be transferred and would therefore be on sale on the day when the "reserve a seat person" failed to register on time at the venue. However, as we"ve been informed in advance then this could go on "general sale" on a first-come-first-served basis in advance if indeed the EB person confirms they are happy for us to do this - but as said, will confirm once I can investigate further - that will be tomorrow.
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Wot a shambles
jockey I"m not sure what you consider a shambles, if its event seats then:
Players reserved a seat months in advance using Eventbrite
Now we have venue confirmation of numbers, times etc etc players have played online satellites for seats, bought in in advance both online and at the venue, and now we have taken what the venue has NOT sold, and along with being able to extent the max numbers from 120 to 130, will make these available for members to buyin online
I"m not sure if this is what you consider to be the shambles, but if so then from my pov it couldn"t be clearer - whether some players disagree with Eventbrite is a different issue - maybe that"s what you consider the shambles? or maybe it"s the numerous player comments as things have progressed and been fine-tuned - if not please clarify and I"ll happily try to sort out whatever problems you believe there to be.
Or maybe it"s just been a difficult one with me taking over so late in the day - but whatever, I want to make sure everyone is clear with things.
Regards/Tom
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I"ll take that as confirmation that the transfer is being allowed. I have held off posting this until the transfer went through as it is not meant as an attempt to stop Gordon having Eck"s seat.
Maybe I misunderstood how the reservation system works. I thought the whole point of it was that you blocked a seat so no-one else could buy it but, if you didn"t play, you forfeited the £5 and the seat became available to everyone again. I didn"t think that someone could block a seat, decide not to play and then pass the reservation on to someone else of their choosing and not be out of pocket at all. If passing reservations around is allowed, then imo that is another reason to scrap the reservation idea totally and just have full buy-ins.
To clarify, I don"t have an issue with Gordon having Eck"s seat. In fact, let him have it as it appears that the rules weren"t clear. But could they be clarified for the future, cos I understood them differently to how they are being applied. Or, best option of all, scrap the reservations entirely.
Tbh I agree with you John but I believe a precedent was set earlier in the week when someone was allowed to transfer their reservation to another player.
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It was done for Cardiff
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14116.0
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Hey John, no I cannot confirm this at present (and therefore have not updated/changed the list of attendees) - as I"m new to this I"m playing catch up and looking for clarification and will be posting a decision asap - but I personally believe you are correct in that it cannot be transferred and would therefore be on sale on the day when the "reserve a seat person" failed to register on time at the venue. However, as we"ve been informed in advance then this could go on "general sale" on a first-come-first-served basis in advance if indeed the EB person confirms they are happy for us to do this - but as said, will confirm once I can investigate further - that will be tomorrow.
Oh. I thought it was done. Can I time-delay my post then? As it has happened a couple of times already, I"m gonna feel pretty guilty if this one isn"t allowed.
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I won"t be playing this and have paid the £5 so someone is welcome to my option.
I"ll take it please. PM me where you want the fiver sent.
Can someone transfer my option to Gordon please?
Use the fiver to buy the APAT guy a drink, think he deserves it having to put up with you lot.
Thanks Eck.
Bottle of Buckfast on ice will be waiting him. ;D
I said buy him a drink not spoil him.... :D
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I won"t be playing this and have paid the £5 so someone is welcome to my option.
I"ll take it please. PM me where you want the fiver sent.
Can someone transfer my option to Gordon please?
Use the fiver to buy the APAT guy a drink, think he deserves it having to put up with you lot.
Thanks Eck.
Bottle of Buckfast on ice will be waiting him. ;D
I said buy him a drink not spoil him.... :D
Tennants Super it is then, sorry Tom. ::)
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Wot a shambles
jockey I"m not sure what you consider a shambles, if its event seats then:
Players reserved a seat months in advance using Eventbrite
Now we have venue confirmation of numbers, times etc etc players have played online satellites for seats, bought in in advance both online and at the venue, and now we have taken what the venue has NOT sold, and along with being able to extent the max numbers from 120 to 130, will make these available for members to buyin online
I"m not sure if this is what you consider to be the shambles, but if so then from my pov it couldn"t be clearer - whether some players disagree with Eventbrite is a different issue - maybe that"s what you consider the shambles? or maybe it"s the numerous player comments as things have progressed and been fine-tuned - if not please clarify and I"ll happily try to sort out whatever problems you believe there to be.
Or maybe it"s just been a difficult one with me taking over so late in the day - but whatever, I want to make sure everyone is clear with things.
Regards/Tom
hi tom,shambles was not aimed at you or your good work,i know that it is not easy trying to please everyone.Shambles was aimed at the numerous different threads & comments.I actually reserved my seat some while ago.Looking forward to seeing you in Glasgow. regards barry
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Wot a shambles
jockey I"m not sure what you consider a shambles, if its event seats then:
Players reserved a seat months in advance using Eventbrite
Now we have venue confirmation of numbers, times etc etc players have played online satellites for seats, bought in in advance both online and at the venue, and now we have taken what the venue has NOT sold, and along with being able to extent the max numbers from 120 to 130, will make these available for members to buyin online
I"m not sure if this is what you consider to be the shambles, but if so then from my pov it couldn"t be clearer - whether some players disagree with Eventbrite is a different issue - maybe that"s what you consider the shambles? or maybe it"s the numerous player comments as things have progressed and been fine-tuned - if not please clarify and I"ll happily try to sort out whatever problems you believe there to be.
Or maybe it"s just been a difficult one with me taking over so late in the day - but whatever, I want to make sure everyone is clear with things.
Regards/Tom
hi tom,shambles was not aimed at you or your good work,i know that it is not easy trying to please everyone.Shambles was aimed at the numerous different threads & comments.I actually reserved my seat some while ago.Looking forward to seeing you in Glasgow. regards barry
oh no worries mate - whether I take it personal or not if there"s a problem I need to sort then I just need to identify what it is - look forward to meeting you in Glasgow
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Yeah the reserve transfer has happened already for Glasgow and I see Cardiff aswell. FWIW I don"t see the difference between swapping reserves and the seat exchange of full buy ins. Both seem fine to me.
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Fwiw i wasn"t allowed to do this for Coventry, also slightly different that a reserve was transferred earlier in the week for a player who is still attending but won a seat in the sat. Isn"t the five pounds more to stop people taking up a seat and then not turning up? If somebody is now not turning up shouldn"t the seat be made available Friday and Saturday with the rest of them and the player forfeiting his fiver?
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---slightly different that a reserve was transferred earlier in the week for a player who is still attending but won a seat in the sat.
Not different at all. They could have been refunded their fiver and the seat could have been re-sold, it wasn"t and they were allowed to transfer the seat to someone else.
Isn"t the five pounds more to stop people taking up a seat and then not turning up? If somebody is now not turning up shouldn"t the seat be made available Friday and Saturday with the rest of them and the player forfeiting his fiver?
Do you honestly think that because someone has paid a fiver this has any bearing on whether they play or not? I think the fiver was to cover admin costs for those that did not turn up after reserving a seat.
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I think the fiver was to cover admin costs for those that did not turn up after reserving a seat.
To cover costs of administering a seat reservation system was the original reason IIRC
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I think the fiver was to cover admin costs for those that did not turn up after reserving a seat.
To cover costs of administering a seat reservation system was the original reason IIRC
Yea I thought it was something like that, thanks fella. :)
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---slightly different that a reserve was transferred earlier in the week for a player who is still attending but won a seat in the sat.
Not different at all. They could have been refunded their fiver and the seat could have been re-sold, it wasn"t and they were allowed to transfer the seat to someone else.
Isn"t the five pounds more to stop people taking up a seat and then not turning up? If somebody is now not turning up shouldn"t the seat be made available Friday and Saturday with the rest of them and the player forfeiting his fiver?
Do you honestly think that because someone has paid a fiver this has any bearing on whether they play or not? I think the fiver was to cover admin costs for those that did not turn up after reserving a seat.
So we now have a refundable non-refundable £5 fee?
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---slightly different that a reserve was transferred earlier in the week for a player who is still attending but won a seat in the sat.
Not different at all. They could have been refunded their fiver and the seat could have been re-sold, it wasn"t and they were allowed to transfer the seat to someone else.
Isn"t the five pounds more to stop people taking up a seat and then not turning up? If somebody is now not turning up shouldn"t the seat be made available Friday and Saturday with the rest of them and the player forfeiting his fiver?
Do you honestly think that because someone has paid a fiver this has any bearing on whether they play or not? I think the fiver was to cover admin costs for those that did not turn up after reserving a seat.
So we now have a refundable non-refundable £5 fee?
Yes if you satellite in after reserving a seat, i believe that has always been the case. Of course you can"t charge a fee to someone in that scenario. ::)
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Wot a shambles
jockey I"m not sure what you consider a shambles, if its event seats then:
Players reserved a seat months in advance using Eventbrite
Now we have venue confirmation of numbers, times etc etc players have played online satellites for seats, bought in in advance both online and at the venue, and now we have taken what the venue has NOT sold, and along with being able to extent the max numbers from 120 to 130, will make these available for members to buyin online
I"m not sure if this is what you consider to be the shambles, but if so then from my pov it couldn"t be clearer - whether some players disagree with Eventbrite is a different issue - maybe that"s what you consider the shambles? or maybe it"s the numerous player comments as things have progressed and been fine-tuned - if not please clarify and I"ll happily try to sort out whatever problems you believe there to be.
Or maybe it"s just been a difficult one with me taking over so late in the day - but whatever, I want to make sure everyone is clear with things.
Regards/Tom
When will we have confirmation on the available seats for direct buy-in online. Will these seats be added to the original holding tank (i.e tourney number 53666724)?
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Dear Members, following forum discussions and player feedback, we have reviewed and discussed internally the Eventbrite facility, and are updating the ‘reserve a seat’ procedure as follows:
When APAT is advised by a player that their Eventbrite seat will NOT be used then the following will be put in place:
If at the time APAT is informed, and seats have NOT YET been advertised for direct buyin in advance, then the extra seat will be made available via direct buyin in advance.
If at the time APAT is informed, and seats HAVE BEEN advertised for direct buyin in advance, then the extra seat will be made available via Eventbrite.
The ONLY exception to above is if a player who has reserved a seat via Eventbrite subsequently wins their entry via APAT by online Satellite etc, then that player may inform APAT of an alternative player name for the Eventbrite seat – in effect a ‘seat exchange’ for the Eventbrite entry – and it is between both those players (not APAT) to sort out any refund/transfer of Eventbrite fee – if any payment is to be made/transferred, it cannot under any circumstances be more than the £5 paid. It is emphasized that this facility is ONLY available to exchange an Eventbrite seat where the player has WON an additional seat via APAT.
HOWEVER, this will not be implemented for Glasgow as we have already let seats be transferred and it is not deemed appropriate to have two conflicting policies for the same event mid-way through the process.
WP Sir. As always APAT working behind the scenes to address members concerns and feedback. See you all in Glasgow....
P.S. Tom for the purposes of the player list ..APATSef is moi... Paul Sefton ;)
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---slightly different that a reserve was transferred earlier in the week for a player who is still attending but won a seat in the sat.
Not different at all. They could have been refunded their fiver and the seat could have been re-sold, it wasn"t and they were allowed to transfer the seat to someone else.
Isn"t the five pounds more to stop people taking up a seat and then not turning up? If somebody is now not turning up shouldn"t the seat be made available Friday and Saturday with the rest of them and the player forfeiting his fiver?
Do you honestly think that because someone has paid a fiver this has any bearing on whether they play or not? I think the fiver was to cover admin costs for those that did not turn up after reserving a seat.
So we now have a refundable non-refundable £5 fee?
Yes if you satellite in after reserving a seat, i believe that has always been the case. Of course you can"t charge a fee to someone in that scenario. ::)
Yep, my bad, didn"t read it properly
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P.S. Tom for the purposes of the player list ..APATSef is moi... Paul Sefton ;)
Thanks.
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---slightly different that a reserve was transferred earlier in the week for a player who is still attending but won a seat in the sat.
Not different at all. They could have been refunded their fiver and the seat could have been re-sold, it wasn"t and they were allowed to transfer the seat to someone else.
Isn"t the five pounds more to stop people taking up a seat and then not turning up? If somebody is now not turning up shouldn"t the seat be made available Friday and Saturday with the rest of them and the player forfeiting his fiver?
Do you honestly think that because someone has paid a fiver this has any bearing on whether they play or not? I think the fiver was to cover admin costs for those that did not turn up after reserving a seat.
So we now have a refundable non-refundable £5 fee?
Yes if you satellite in after reserving a seat, i believe that has always been the case. Of course you can"t charge a fee to someone in that scenario. ::)
So does that mean I get my fiver back? paid for EventBrite pre-reg but won my seat through the FPP route
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There are 13 "returns" available for purchase. See here: http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14424
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---slightly different that a reserve was transferred earlier in the week for a player who is still attending but won a seat in the sat.
Not different at all. They could have been refunded their fiver and the seat could have been re-sold, it wasn"t and they were allowed to transfer the seat to someone else.
Isn"t the five pounds more to stop people taking up a seat and then not turning up? If somebody is now not turning up shouldn"t the seat be made available Friday and Saturday with the rest of them and the player forfeiting his fiver?
Do you honestly think that because someone has paid a fiver this has any bearing on whether they play or not? I think the fiver was to cover admin costs for those that did not turn up after reserving a seat.
So we now have a refundable non-refundable £5 fee?
Yes if you satellite in after reserving a seat, i believe that has always been the case. Of course you can"t charge a fee to someone in that scenario. ::)
So does that mean I get my fiver back? paid for EventBrite pre-reg but won my seat through the FPP route
I should think so. ;)
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Only a few more days to go. Looking forward to this one as usual. Good luck everyone.
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Just a quickie ! Is the alea providing us with 13 dealers on the day ?
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Looking forward to this on Saturday.... Driving up on Friday from Liverpool.. Coming up with Lynne, her mum and my daughter Billie who are doing the wandering around the shops thing on Saturday. Hopefully they are doing the same on Sunday which would mean I have made Day 2...
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Look forward to seeing you again Bill - hopefully get to enjoy a pint with you this time.
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I guestimate the Glasgow Main Event will complete on Day 1 around Level 13, 14 or 15 (circa 00:30 - 02:45) and on Day 2 around Level 24 or 25 (circa 22:00 - 23:00).
I have to forward timings to Alea so have sent the following - these will of course be subject to confirmation on the day when taking into account how the event is progressing, but your view are very welcome (based on 15 min short breaks and a 45 minute dinner break to allow for grub and a chat etc):
APAT Scottish Amateur Poker Championship
15,000 Chips - 45 minute clock
Level Small Big Ante Mins Time Time
1 25 50 45 14:00 14:45
2 50 100 45 14:45 15:30
3 75 150 45 15:30 16:15
BREAK 15 16:15 16:30
4 100 200 45 16:30 17:15
5 100 200 25 45 17:15 18:00
6 150 300 50 45 18:00 18:45
BREAK 45 18:45 19:30
7 200 400 50 45 19:30 20:15
8 300 600 75 45 20:15 21:00
9 400 800 100 45 21:00 21:45
BREAK 15 21:45 22:00
10 500 1000 150 45 22:00 22:45
11 600 1200 200 45 22:45 23:30
12 800 1600 250 45 23:30 00:15
BREAK 15 00:15 00:30
13 1000 2000 300 45 00:30 01:15
14 1500 3000 400 45 01:15 02:00
15 2000 4000 500 45 02:00 02:45
End of Day 1
16 3000 6000 600 45 14:15 15:00
17 4000 8000 800 45 15:00 15:45
18 5000 10000 1000 45 15:45 16:30
BREAK 15 16:30 16:45
19 6000 12000 1000 45 16:45 17:30
20 8000 16000 2000 45 17:30 18:15
21 10000 20000 2000 45 18:15 19:00
BREAK 45 19:00 19:45
22 15000 30000 3000 45 19:45 20:30
23 20000 40000 4000 45 20:30 21:15
24 25000 50000 4000 45 21:15 22:00
BREAK 15 22:00 22:15
25 30000 60000 5000 45 22:15 23:00
26 40000 80000 6000 45 23:00 23:45
27 50000 100000 8000 45 23:45 00:30
BREAK 15 00:30 00:45
28 60000 120000 10000 45 00:45 01:30
29 70000 140000 12000 45 01:30 02:15
30 80000 160000 14000 45 02:15 03:00
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You"ll go to maximum level 13, around 1.15am, Tom. We"ve never gone past that. You should be left with around 25 players, which should see you finished by around 10.30pm on Sunday night.
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if you have an event bright reservation Can you pay buy in on the Fri night if at the casino for main event , to save coming down early on Saturday , ?
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if you have an event bright reservation Can you pay buy in on the Fri night if at the casino for main event , to save coming down early on Saturday , ?
Gerry the answer is "yes I believe so" - I just need to confirm it with Alea.
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if you have an event bright reservation Can you pay buy in on the Fri night if at the casino for main event , to save coming down early on Saturday , ?
I can confirm that yes, you will be able to pay your buyin from tomorrow, Friday 13:00 onwards, in the Alea - go to the cash desk (the poker room doesn"t open until the evening) - they "should" have the list of entrants - if not, just make sure you get a receipt and we"ll be able to reconcile it all on Saturday.
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Tom....
Can you please confirm that Saturday"s Main Event start time is actually 2pm and not as printed on the Eventbrite tickets as 14:30...
I do not intend to be late but if I am I want to be aiming for the correct time...
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if you have an event bright reservation Can you pay buy in on the Fri night if at the casino for main event , to save coming down early on Saturday , ?
I can confirm that yes, you will be able to pay your buyin from tomorrow, Friday 13:00 onwards, in the Alea - go to the cash desk (the poker room doesn"t open until the evening) - they "should" have the list of entrants - if not, just make sure you get a receipt and we"ll be able to reconcile it all on Saturday.
I would advise anyone who has the opportunity to register on the Friday to do it, as last year the queue to register on the Saturday took over an hour and a half to get through. 8)
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Tom....
Can you please confirm that Saturday"s Main Event start time is actually 2pm and not as printed on the Eventbrite tickets as 14:30...
I do not intend to be late but if I am I want to be aiming for the correct time...
I can confirm it is 14:00 start on Saturday.
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Will the provisional table & seating positions be online tomorrow before the start ? Also what link are people gonna use to track player, chip counts & exits etc?