New casino for Cardiff event.
More lights for Glasgow event.
An APAT championship event in Bristol.
Drop Luton/Stoke.
Do you mean drop the Venues of Luton and Stoke or the Team Event itself??
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Locations: Having Vegas/Prague is a great thing to boast, but surely its kinda against the APAT ethos? ... Tryin to promote the amatuer game, by holding events in these places seems a little odd. ...
The team event, in my opinion should be a Ryder cup style pick with the most ranking points getting in the team and then the captain having two wild cards? Maybe a none playing captain too, who could coast around and support his players.
With Chris on the venues and it is about time one was held in Yorkshire! Genting at Sheffield was great at the GPS,
Like Danns point of the cut back on so many online games it"s ridiculous, people have family"s and partners/wife"s to keep happy and sitting down every night playing cards is out of he question.
The return of the online league has to be a priority as well, I"ve missed it this year and getting Yorkshire to the team event in Luton and playing myself was a great experience and one I would love to do again. I know Matt has explained to me that there may be a change of site etc but it needs sorting.
My main wish for season 8 is that you guys give us more notice. You seemed to forget that we"re all amateur players with jobs, families and limited resources. We need more notice than you gave us this year to organise time off, get cheap hotel and travel deals and get our green cards.
Get off Boss (seriously!).
The Mini League (current prize: Vegas Package) is an LPPL league that has run each month for years. We"ve now opened this up to APAT players, which I think is a good thing. It provides more choice and an option for people to play any night of the week - in fact, LPPL players have recently asked if I can increase the number of games here (from 1 a night to 3 a night at various times).
More focus on locations that the majority of the membership can afford to get to, and less focus on holiday destinations to satisfy the few that can afford it. How much has the APAT brand really been expanded by the foreign trips to date? How many of those locals that have played in the foreign locations joined up with APAT.co.uk, or used the forum, or played other APAT events?
I think that keeping APAT as a UK exclusive community would not be good for Amateur poker. The concept of APAT is about bringing value poker to the masses for affordable buy in - but I thought it was also about standardisation of the game.... and to achieve that, it has to gain exposure beyond the UK shores.
APAT is an excellent concept.................Why not expand to other countries and share the benefits?
More focus on locations that the majority of the membership can afford to get to, and less focus on holiday destinations to satisfy the few that can afford it. How much has the APAT brand really been expanded by the foreign trips to date? How many of those locals that have played in the foreign locations joined up with APAT.co.uk, or used the forum, or played other APAT events?
I thought you were in favour of overseas events:I think that keeping APAT as a UK exclusive community would not be good for Amateur poker. The concept of APAT is about bringing value poker to the masses for affordable buy in - but I thought it was also about standardisation of the game.... and to achieve that, it has to gain exposure beyond the UK shores.
APAT is an excellent concept.................Why not expand to other countries and share the benefits?
Whoah Whoah Rob agree with most of what you say, but no Yorkshire leg????
Blooming Lancastrians :P
I do like the idea of side events being mixed up though. They could be changed to include a list like Swine suggests above, or ... hold 2 side events simultaneously, to allow players who are busted from the main to pick which they"d prefer to play... With one of the side events being something completely different - e.g. Open Face Chinese, Bournemouth Roll, No Deal or Deal, etc. Bring some fun to the proceedings :)
I do like the idea of side events being mixed up though. They could be changed to include a list like Swine suggests above, or ... hold 2 side events simultaneously, to allow players who are busted from the main to pick which they"d prefer to play... With one of the side events being something completely different - e.g. Open Face Chinese, Bournemouth Roll, No Deal or Deal, etc. Bring some fun to the proceedings :)
Love how you"ve worked around any copyright infringment Matt. Nice work. ;D
Oh and OFC at Worlds please!!
How many APAT regs went to Vegas this year?? Can"t be more than 20?? That should be a jolly surely, not a bonafide leg of the season??
LOL, just seen Asa"s post.
Both of us clearly bored on a Monday afternoon. ;D
Agree with all of the posts mentioned, but mostly with overseas events, why ????
for me it doesn"t enhance APAT membership and is only a jolly for the few who are and able to afford it of which I am not one ( sob sob cry ) LOL
I have played in a few tourneys around the country and was amazed when I mentioned APAT that people still haven"t heard about us !!! More tournaments to highlight APAT etc to the british player is needed not overseas :-\
For the most APAT do a great job and I know the poker scene has changed from when APAT 1st began with more people following in our footsteps making things tougher
Ohh as above BYE BYE BOSS ( please )
:)
How many APAT regs went to Vegas this year?? Can"t be more than 20?? That should be a jolly surely, not a bonafide leg of the season??
Does it carry ranking points?? If so, then this favours those with the deep pockets - not really what APAT should be about.
If I were putting together an APAT tour to last a twelve month period, I think I would go for something like this :-
January - Leg 1 - Birmingham/Walsall
February - Leg 2 - Newcastle/Stockton
March - Leg 3 - Dublin/Cork
April - Leg 4 - Bristol/Cardiff
May - Leg 5 - ECOAP (Major European Venue)
June - Leg 6 - Glasgow/Edinburgh
July - Leg 7 - Luton/Milton Keynes/Reading
August - Leg 8 - Nottingham/Coventry/Stoke
September - Leg 9 - Manchester/Sheffield
October - Leg 10 - Portsmouth/Brighton
November - Leg 11 - WCOAP (Nottingham/London)
One of the legs would become the UK Team Championship each season, leaving 10 legs earning points towards a overall rankings leaderboard.
I"d look to change the main event structure to allow for a Day 1a on the Friday night, and a Day 1b on the Saturday afternoon (maybe with the option of re-entry into Day 1b if you get knocked out of Day 1a).
This would spread venue staff resource, and allow the venues to run a side event on the Friday night, Saturday night, and Sunday afternoon, and at the same time, not leave the tour restricted to venues that can accomodate 200+ runners.
A matching online event with buyins around half that of the live event and 2 or 3 National Online leagues throughout the season (with more focus on the individual than the team).
Ranking points would be available for all these events, but with a weighting on buyin and number of runners, so it becomes more of an index across the whole season.
I like Rob"s idea of varying the side events, and I think the cash tour concept could fit neatly within that area.
I"d like to see generic weekly satellites into live events, whereby you can earn tokens that have maybe a 12 months expiry date on them, meaning more flexibility for players to satellite into their choice of events when they have the time to play satellites, and not just the few days that they are run in the lead up to an event.
I"ve never been keen on the additional reservation charge, but at the same time am aware that it is the best solution yet to resolving the balancing act of players wanting to guarantee seats well in advance, and APAT not having to deal with a bunch of no-shows. I think the suggestion from Des to use those funds to improve the updating seems a sensible compromise. I"ve not had to buyin to an APAT event for a good while, but am aware when I was booking travel and accomodation to work the event, it"s amazing the deals you can get well in advance, assuming you know you will have a seat. If you satellite in, then when you use your token to buyin, you get refunded your fiver. Minimum admin, and maximum flexibility for the players.
I"d also love to see the inclusion/return of a higher buyin series, somewhere around the £200/£250 mark. The APAT membership is full of players that have experience in higher buyin tours, and plenty have had reasonable success in those. Maybe played on the Friday night, to allow those players to then play Day 1B on the Saturday, or vice-versa.
Seems like a well thought out post,i think it would be a very good season
If I were putting together an APAT tour to last a twelve month period, I think I would go for something like this :-
January - Leg 1 - Birmingham/Walsall
February - Leg 2 - Newcastle/Stockton
March - Leg 3 - Dublin/Cork
April - Leg 4 - Bristol/Cardiff
May - Leg 5 - ECOAP (Major European Venue)
June - Leg 6 - Glasgow/Edinburgh
July - Leg 7 - Luton/Milton Keynes/Reading
August - Leg 8 - Nottingham/Coventry/Stoke
September - Leg 9 - Manchester/Sheffield
October - Leg 10 - Portsmouth/Brighton
November - Leg 11 - WCOAP (Nottingham/London)
One of the legs would become the UK Team Championship each season, leaving 10 legs earning points towards a overall rankings leaderboard.
I"d look to change the main event structure to allow for a Day 1a on the Friday night, and a Day 1b on the Saturday afternoon (maybe with the option of re-entry into Day 1b if you get knocked out of Day 1a).
This would spread venue staff resource, and allow the venues to run a side event on the Friday night, Saturday night, and Sunday afternoon, and at the same time, not leave the tour restricted to venues that can accomodate 200+ runners.
A matching online event with buyins around half that of the live event and 2 or 3 National Online leagues throughout the season (with more focus on the individual than the team).
Ranking points would be available for all these events, but with a weighting on buyin and number of runners, so it becomes more of an index across the whole season.
I like Rob"s idea of varying the side events, and I think the cash tour concept could fit neatly within that area.
I"d like to see generic weekly satellites into live events, whereby you can earn tokens that have maybe a 12 months expiry date on them, meaning more flexibility for players to satellite into their choice of events when they have the time to play satellites, and not just the few days that they are run in the lead up to an event.
I"ve never been keen on the additional reservation charge, but at the same time am aware that it is the best solution yet to resolving the balancing act of players wanting to guarantee seats well in advance, and APAT not having to deal with a bunch of no-shows. I think the suggestion from Des to use those funds to improve the updating seems a sensible compromise. I"ve not had to buyin to an APAT event for a good while, but am aware when I was booking travel and accomodation to work the event, it"s amazing the deals you can get well in advance, assuming you know you will have a seat. If you satellite in, then when you use your token to buyin, you get refunded your fiver. Minimum admin, and maximum flexibility for the players.
I"d also love to see the inclusion/return of a higher buyin series, somewhere around the £200/£250 mark. The APAT membership is full of players that have experience in higher buyin tours, and plenty have had reasonable success in those. Maybe played on the Friday night, to allow those players to then play Day 1B on the Saturday, or vice-versa.
Whilst I"m typing a lot of waffle ;) , what"s peoples views on groups attending events. I think back to the early seasons, and players always seemed to travel to APAT events en masse.
Maybe I"m not as close to the live players currently attending the events, but it does feel a lot more fragmented.
What about offering a group booking facility in advance. Groups can then sort shared travel, maybe looking to book the short stay type apartments as a base for the weekends.
Maybe give then a discount on the reservation fee if booking a group of players.
I like Rob"s idea of varying the side events.
I like Rob"s idea of varying the side events.
I was actually talking about the main events, didn"t think my schedule was too "gimmicky" to make them side events
For satellites I"d far prefer a "one and done" attitude toward feeders and super sats. I"m not going to play Monday, to qualify for a Saturday final. That"s two evenings just for an outside chance at a seat. Follow DTDs lead and run a turbo feeder into the main sat.
Really don"t like feeders into feeders and also think having so many events in the year is diluting APAT.
Also, if you"re keen to keep Ireland in the mix, The Cue Club in Killarney is a poker room that can hold (I think) 160 with the added bonus...they serve drink. Flights from Stanstead and Luton direct to Kerry airport and Connie usually sorts transport for players from the airport into town.
Flights from Birmingham, Bristol, East Midlands, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Liverpool, Gatwick, Heathrow, Stanstead, Manchester & Newcastle into Cork and either rent a car or get the train down to Killarney from Cork. That said, Cork is another option. The Macua Club in Cork is pretty good and Ken is a nice enough lad.
Not a big fan of events landing on Bank Holidays, its not always popular at home to leave for a Poker tournament and be away Saturday and Sunday, but to add Monday into the equation rubs salt in the wounds.
Really don"t like feeders into feeders and also think having so many events in the year is diluting APAT.
Also, if you"re keen to keep Ireland in the mix, The Cue Club in Killarney is a poker room that can hold (I think) 160 with the added bonus...they serve drink. Flights from Stanstead and Luton direct to Kerry airport and Connie usually sorts transport for players from the airport into town.
Flights from Birmingham, Bristol, East Midlands, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Liverpool, Gatwick, Heathrow, Stanstead, Manchester & Newcastle into Cork and either rent a car or get the train down to Killarney from Cork. That said, Cork is another option. The Macua Club in Cork is pretty good and Ken is a nice enough lad.
That"s a good point from Dawn. I"ve revised my schedule
Leg 1 - The Cue Club, Killarney
Leg 2 - The Cue Club, Killarney
Leg 3 - The Cue Club, Killarney
Leg 4 - The Cue Club, Killarney
Leg 5 - The Cue Club, Killarney
Leg 6 - The Cue Club, Killarney
Leg 7 - The Cue Club, Killarney
Leg 8 - The Cue Club, Killarney
Leg 9 - The Cue Club, Killarney
Leg 10 - The Cue Club, Killarney
New casino for Cardiff event.
More lights for Glasgow event.
An APAT championship event in Bristol.
Drop Luton/Stoke.
HI All,
I am new to the APAT, when does the schedule for 2014 come out or if its out, how do I find it?
cheers
Asked this every year and once again will chuck into the hat.. request to move Online Nationals moved to a Sunday please x
Asked this every year and once again will chuck into the hat.. request to move Online Nationals moved to a Sunday please x
Had opinion on this request every year, and once again will chuck into the hat... request to leave Online Nationals on a Saturday please x
Asked this every year and once again will chuck into the hat.. request to move Online Nationals moved to a Sunday please x
Had opinion on this request every year, and once again will chuck into the hat... request to leave Online Nationals on a Saturday please x
Had no real opinion on this every year, but I have come to realize that these often clash with live tournaments that I wish to play at weekends. As I understand it, Phil and Steve are more concerned with not having them on either Sat or Sun than with having them on the day they each asked for, so a Friday, for example, might satisfy both and allow a lot of players to take part and still play live events at weekends..................... request to move Online Nationals away from weekends please x
Not sure if this has been suggested yet but OFC? :)
LIVE:
Competition is getting stronger all the time so APAT must do all it can to make events atractive for people to attend:
1. Stay Central ~ Don"t go North of the M62 or South of London, immediately puts half the country off. Lets have some new venues/cities (eg Liverpool, Birmingham, Sheffield, Reading, Leeds)
2. Get rid of the awkward £5 reservation fees, comments clearly indicate this is considered by many as an unpopular(-EV) and awkward way of reserving seats. Find an online provider with direct buy-ins and close the reg period in time so you can get the cash out, then sell any spare seats at the venue.
3. Compete with the other tours as mentioned previously and increase stack size to 20k or 25k, as only 15k starting stack is seen as not offering the same "value" of play. Just start a little earlier (or finish later) on the Saturday.
4. Keep the festivals, this is APATS strongest and most unique feature at the moment that attracts a lot of players.
5. Introuce/Replace a Team event with one that is based on an online league (see below)
6. For purely selfish reasons, I would love to see one of the Nationals being made an OMAHA event.
ONLINE
1. For the team competition, get rid of the unfair unequal size teams. Let people form their own teams (4 or 6?) and play a series of online games that lead to a live final (eg similar to the Vegas ones Genting used to run). Where online performance in some way will effect starting stacks and a contribution from each online prizepool goes towards the live final as added value. This will bring in new players to APAT as APAT members form teams recruiting their own non-APAT member poker playing friends.
2. Fridays do seem worth a try as the night for the main online events.
3. I have no interest really in international events and there does seem to be little in terms of people travelling from the UK for these.
Since when has London been "central"? Also, it is a dump that is stupidly hard to get to/travel around and costs a fortune (IMO)
Also, some of APAT's most regular players have come from places such as the North East or South coast, why should they not get an APAT event near to them?
Since when has London been "central"? Also, it is a dump that is stupidly hard to get to/travel around and costs a fortune (IMO)
Also, some of APAT's most regular players have come from places such as the North East or South coast, why should they not get an APAT event near to them?
London is not a dump at all, it"s an awesome place to go for a weekend. Book into the Easy Hotel Paddington for a tournament at the Vic and all the above issues are answered, it is easy to get too and everything is in walking distance. We could then get drunk on Edgeware Road, which has some damn fine pubs (proper pubs like). Also it is central for most of the population to be fair, although obviously not geographically.
Apart from that yeah and to be honest it is sometimes nice to go somewhere a long way away as it is somewhere different and a lot of people like visiting new places. I would love an event in the Newcastle area (Stockton would be great, although might need a few extra days). I certainly think we should have one in that area if possible.
I also think the starting stack size is fine 10K was too small but 15K is OK for this tour. We are already finishing at like 1am on the Saturday which imo is late enough.
Since when has London been "central"? Also, it is a dump that is stupidly hard to get to/travel around and costs a fortune (IMO)
Also, some of APAT's most regular players have come from places such as the North East or South coast, why should they not get an APAT event near to them?
London is not a dump at all, it"s an awesome place to go for a weekend. Book into the Easy Hotel Paddington for a tournament at the Vic and all the above issues are answered, it is easy to get too and everything is in walking distance. We could then get drunk on Edgeware Road, which has some damn fine pubs (proper pubs like). Also it is central for most of the population to be fair, although obviously not geographically.
Apart from that yeah and to be honest it is sometimes nice to go somewhere a long way away as it is somewhere different and a lot of people like visiting new places. I would love an event in the Newcastle area (Stockton would be great, although might need a few extra days). I certainly think we should have one in that area if possible.
I also think the starting stack size is fine 10K was too small but 15K is OK for this tour. We are already finishing at like 1am on the Saturday which imo is late enough.
I agree with all of the above, except I don"t want to go to Newcastle. I want to INVADE YARM! :)
Since when has London been "central"? Also, it is a dump that is stupidly hard to get to/travel around and costs a fortune (IMO)
Also, some of APAT's most regular players have come from places such as the North East or South coast, why should they not get an APAT event near to them?
London is not a dump at all, it"s an awesome place to go for a weekend. Book into the Easy Hotel Paddington for a tournament at the Vic and all the above issues are answered, it is easy to get too and everything is in walking distance. We could then get drunk on Edgeware Road, which has some damn fine pubs (proper pubs like). Also it is central for most of the population to be fair, although obviously not geographically.
Apart from that yeah and to be honest it is sometimes nice to go somewhere a long way away as it is somewhere different and a lot of people like visiting new places. I would love an event in the Newcastle area (Stockton would be great, although might need a few extra days). I certainly think we should have one in that area if possible.
I also think the starting stack size is fine 10K was too small but 15K is OK for this tour. We are already finishing at like 1am on the Saturday which imo is late enough.
I agree with all of the above, except I don"t want to go to Newcastle. I want to INVADE YARM! :)
Right, we need to get this organised, dont we?
As a Lancashire Lad myself I have to agree
Can I just make (another) plea for something (not LPPL) in the North West of England please. We have a significant number of APAT players, but haven"t had a "home" event for years. Yorkshire I have to say, has been neglected for even longer!
I know MTS was the only updater there, and was gonna struggle trying to cover 3 events a day, from midday to 5am. Shame, as the community loves a bit of coverage.
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I know MTS was the only updater there, and was gonna struggle trying to cover 3 events a day, from midday to 5am. Shame, as the community loves a bit of coverage.
I think that"s a little harsh because I think Matt at the very least was there for most of it. I only made a couple of days so I could be wrong but at times there were 5 laptops open ready for updating.
Admittedly, at times, they were trying to cover up to three events at a time so even then they were going to be stretched.
Live updates are a not-insignificant cost to APAT and generate no revenue as such. This is true of pretty much all updates be it Blonde/DTD or Sky.
There are occasions when I, and some others, have jumped in to to add whatever we can (gratis) to any live update we can (sometimes with little or no appreciation [or even rubbishing] from some members of the forum) but I, and I"m sure others, often have other things we"d rather be doing.
To summarise, as it were
Without getting into debates about membership charges / extra costs again, an update team costs a non-negligable amount of money for no "actual" return.
If we want it them to continue we have to take what we can get, find some way of covering additional costs or jump in and help.
Live updates are a not-insignificant cost to APAT and generate no revenue as such. This is true of pretty much all updates be it Blonde/DTD or Sky.
I have to be honest and say that I thought of this before the festival and forgot to say it anywhere.
At each live event, why don"t we just set up pages on fb, i.e. "APAT WCOAP 2015 - PLO8" and let everyone update their own experiences. That way their friends get to see who they want to see and others who are more interested in the overall standings get to see everything. Just need to tell everyone where on fb they are and we"re away.
The APAT updaters can simply monitor the fb threads and cnp them into APAT threads as they see fit.
Simplez innit (prolly not but it"s how everyone at Aspers speak it seems).
I did wonder how long it would take for this thread to be resurrected!
Live updates are a not-insignificant cost to APAT and generate no revenue as such. This is true of pretty much all updates be it Blonde/DTD or Sky.
This is very true. I think a lot of people would be surprised at how much an update team costs. You pay an updater a daily rate plus expenses (hotel/travel/food etc). I"m not going to divulge confidential financial information from APAT but for an event like the worlds, a good freelance updater could charge (including expenses) 4 figures.
Now before you go "how much!" let me lay it out for you. As an example, let"s assume the Worlds are back at Stratford, during August Bank Holiday (as I cant look at next Easter) and we have the same schedule, from 19th August - 25th August. I have agreed to update for my standard rate (this is the number you dont get).
My train costs are £90.
7 nights at Stratford Travelodge (cheapest I found for this worlds) are £346 if I book today.
I generally don"t charge food expenses but when I did the ISPT, food allowance was £20 per day for 3 meals - so £140.
Even if you take out the food expenses, you still dont get much change from £500. Then you actually have to pay the updater. Don"t forget that most of the updaters are freelance, and have many other options - so you have to offer a rate that gets them to take your job rather than another one. In my case, I work as a contractor full time, so I would have to take time off work (unpaid, as a contractor) to cover the week (Tuesday - Monday), plus the second Tuesday to travel back home, plus probably Wednesday to recover from 7 solid days of running round a cardroom. (or, if you work at Wembley, 92 BLOODY STEPS)
Just ask yourself how much you would offer to do it for, solidly, for a week. Then add the expenses on top. Updating is expensive for the company and, tbh, not value for money at all. When Tighty did it for APAT, he was employed full time by APAT AFAIK so didnt draw extra costs. As much as we love MTS/Matt/Tom, they are not Tighty and we shouldn"t expect them to be.
Any help these guys can get, please, do so. But a fair warning - updating is a LOT harder than people think :)
I have to be honest and say that I thought of this before the festival and forgot to say it anywhere.
At each live event, why don"t we just set up pages on fb, i.e. "APAT WCOAP 2015 - PLO8" and let everyone update their own experiences. That way their friends get to see who they want to see and others who are more interested in the overall standings get to see everything. Just need to tell everyone where on fb they are and we"re away.
The APAT updaters can simply monitor the fb threads and cnp them into APAT threads as they see fit.
Simplez innit (prolly not but it"s how everyone at Aspers speak it seems).
I have to be honest and say that I thought of this before the festival and forgot to say it anywhere.
At each live event, why don"t we just set up pages on fb, i.e. "APAT WCOAP 2015 - PLO8" and let everyone update their own experiences. That way their friends get to see who they want to see and others who are more interested in the overall standings get to see everything. Just need to tell everyone where on fb they are and we"re away.
The APAT updaters can simply monitor the fb threads and cnp them into APAT threads as they see fit.
The usual issue about booking hotels is the amount of advance notice. With ample (and I"m talking months) notice, deals / discounts are nearly always available for the casual visitor...I do my best to point them out where I can.
Unfortunately, and it"s sometimes common, the final details of APAT events aren"t nailed down until quiet late which has been the cause of some niggles in the past. I know this is one of the things Tom (and Des) want to address for S8.
BOOAs a Lancashire Lad myself I have to agree
Can I just make (another) plea for something (not LPPL) in the North West of England please. We have a significant number of APAT players, but haven"t had a "home" event for years. Yorkshire I have to say, has been neglected for even longer!
.............................but I don"t have a problem neglecting Yorkshire (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-017.gif)
Will expect usual Apat excellence for upcoming season! However please please please revert the main event back to a 45 min clock with normal starting stack. Apats huge usp is the deep stacked nature of the events throughout and this years main did get really shallow around levels 18-20 unlike any i have known before
Can anyone on the APAT team confirm when the Season 8 schedule is likely to be released?
Can see the reaction in APAT Towers now...
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Will expect usual Apat excellence for upcoming season! However please please please revert the main event back to a 45 min clock with normal starting stack. Apats huge usp is the deep stacked nature of the events throughout and this years main did get really shallow around levels 18-20 unlike any i have known before
To be fair Chris, WCOAP did attract a huge field and had to be played out over 2 days (whilst not dragging on into the early hours of Bank Hol Monday after a very long week) - so in essence I believe the 20k/40 min for WCOAP was an acceptable (matter of opinion!) and good compromise. HOWEVER, rest assured there is no intention to do anything different that the NORMAL 45 min clock for Season 8.
I think you"ll find a clear return to regular, UK based, events in S8 Warren. We want this schedule to exclude as few of our players as possible. Simplicity has been the watchword in planning the season.