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Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: adilong1 on December 02, 2013, 15:27:47 PM
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Hi all,
A hand from last night any thoughts would be appreciated.
Blinds 250/500
Just been moved to table with no reads.
I"m in SB with Jc 10c with 10k behind. Should I fold pre?
UTG 1 min raises to 1000 with 16k behind button calls and BB calls.
Flop 7c Js 8c
I bet 2k, BB folds, UTG shoves!?!? 16k, button folds. What"s my play? Shove or fold?
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Surely u act first on flop
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With the proportion of your stack (25%? ish) you already have in the pot I don"t think you have much option to get it in.
If you"re betting OOP into a raiser....what was your plan either way?
Lead --> Fold is incredibly spewy.
Jam and hope you hit.
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Surely u act first on flop
Don"t know what you mean ::)
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This is a dream flop for your hand, top pair, gssfd and blockers, if folding is an option for you ( which it most definitely shouldn"t be) just fold pre.
I prefer to check raise jam here, we can pick up some overlay if btn flats and maximise our fold equity.
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This is a dream flop for your hand, top pair, gssfd and blockers, if folding is an option for you ( which it most definitely shouldn"t be) just fold pre.
I prefer to check raise jam here, we can pick up some overlay if btn flats and maximise our fold equity.
AS above ::) ::) ::)
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I assume you had a plan when you called pre-flop ?
That plan would have involved you somehow hitting a part of the flop ?
Congratulations, your plan has come together nicely, get those chips in and good luck.
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Agree with above, prefer a check / Jam.
Probably fold pre but once you flat pre and hit that flop you should be finding the best way to get the chips in the middle.
Hope if you had checked that it wouldn"t be with a plan to check call flop :)
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So, would fold pre in SB have been a better option??
Yes the plan was to flop a straight flush ;) not far off either.
As it happened I called the shove and he showed Ah Js and I missed :"(
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No problem with your pre flop play. Once I see that flop it"s a CRAI all day long.
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Fold pre, not a fan of peeling SB generally but with 20bb you are too shallow to make this hand play profitably.
Now you are here I don"t mind what you do as you should get the money in and be really happy about it, check raise probably is best.
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You are a slight favourite after the flop, get it in, fold pre though, as said above not deep enough to be calling here.
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I agree it is a pretty standard fold pre here. As Dean said to hard to play this hand profitable out of position 20BB deep (I would actually say it is impossible). I would rather shove than call but would need good info on the player to do this Vs and EP raiser.
Once the flop is down though I am in the CRAI camp. You don"t mind getting all your money in but you don"t mind if they all fold either and you win the pot.
As played it is a really easy call. You have to call 7K to win a 22K pot by my quick calculation? you only need 31% Equity and it is pretty much impossible to have less than that. Even against just sets and T9 you have 40%.
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Nothing much to add to: "fold pre, as played get it in"
Don"t mind leading flop 4 way but if you get called there are too many cards that kill the action ott. If you think that you get raised most times then leading is great
I think CRAI for me
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Thanks all