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Title: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: duke3016 on May 30, 2008, 15:42:14 PM
What is the definition of a hill, and when does it become a mountain. Scholars differ on this and it intrigues me. Encyclopaedia Britannica has no real geographical definition that I can find. The better webmasters of you lot could probably find one.

Now I always understood a mountain to be classed as over 2,000 feet and have a "definable" summit. However in America this is somewhat lower, so low in fact that if an average American lay on his back his belly would be classed as a mountain.

So come on all you scholars and answer these important questions

1.   Definition of  a Hill
2.   Definition of  a mountain
3.   When does a hill become a mountain ?
4.   When does a gentle slope become a hill ?  

It's bugging me !!!
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: Jon MW on May 30, 2008, 15:56:55 PM
Everything I know I learnt from films - The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill But Came Down a Mountain (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112966/) - which I think says 1000ft
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: HaworthBantam on May 30, 2008, 18:59:35 PM
My understanding was that any peak of 3,000 feet or more is deemed a mountain.

I seem to remember seeing somewhere recently, however, that some official body in the UK has deemed anything over 600 metres as a mountain, which works out at 1,968 (plus a few inches) feet.
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: lukybugur on May 30, 2008, 21:14:45 PM

My understanding was that any peak of 3,000 feet or more is deemed a mountain.


Unless it"s on the good side of the border, then it"s a Munro ;)
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: Mayfair on May 31, 2008, 08:32:00 AM

IIRC Griff Rees Jones said this week on his mountain show that a mountain in the uk was over 600m . It was defined in some law concerning walkers/ramblers rights.

The first google hit (so it must be true) on "uk mountain definition" threw up
this http://www.go4awalk.com/mountains/ (http://www.go4awalk.com/mountains/).


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Mayfa1r
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: Santino67 on May 31, 2008, 15:57:19 PM
Isn"t a mountain when you have a nut flush but your opponent has a full house  :o
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: kinboshi on June 02, 2008, 11:06:39 AM

My understanding was that any peak of 3,000 feet or more is deemed a mountain.

I seem to remember seeing somewhere recently, however, that some official body in the UK has deemed anything over 600 metres as a mountain, which works out at 1,968 (plus a few inches) feet.


It"s like what defines a "city".  In the UK, this is different to what defines a city in other countries.

For me though, a mountain is what the missus makes out of a molehill.
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: evilpie on June 04, 2008, 13:03:16 PM
I anyone manages to answer this question logically could they also please find out the following:

1.  Definition of a boat
2.  Definition of a ship
3.  When does a boat become a ship ?
4.  When does a ship become a liner?

This has bugged me for years.

Doesn"t bug me quite so much now because I"ve got the whole hill/mountain thing to occupy my mind but nevertheless an answer would be nice.

Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: Jon MW on June 04, 2008, 13:13:30 PM

I anyone manages to answer this question logically could they also please find out the following:

1.  Definition of a boat
2.  Definition of a ship
3.  When does a boat become a ship ?
4.  When does a ship become a liner?

This has bugged me for years.

Doesn"t bug me quite so much now because I"ve got the whole hill/mountain thing to occupy my mind but nevertheless an answer would be nice.


I don"t think there"s a proper definition just that a ship is a big boat.

But a liner is a ship that travels a "line" - i.e. a regular route (that might be regular as in once a year - but it"s still regular).
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: HaworthBantam on June 04, 2008, 13:29:10 PM


I anyone manages to answer this question logically could they also please find out the following:

1.  Definition of a boat
2.  Definition of a ship
3.  When does a boat become a ship ?
4.  When does a ship become a liner?

This has bugged me for years.

Doesn"t bug me quite so much now because I"ve got the whole hill/mountain thing to occupy my mind but nevertheless an answer would be nice.


I don"t think there"s a proper definition just that a ship is a big boat.

But a liner is a ship that travels a "line" - i.e. a regular route (that might be regular as in once a year - but it"s still regular).


This is a question I asked my dad many years ago when I was a slip of a lad - he was ex Royal Navy and used to talk about boats and ships, hence my question at the time.

His answer at the time was that if a vessel can be carried by another vessel, then it"s a boat. If it cannot be carried by another vessel then it"s a ship. I suppose size would come into this as well. He also mentioned that the US navy had a different definition, but I can"t remember what it was.

Jon"s definition of liner is spot on.
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: billyho10 on June 04, 2008, 13:31:13 PM
everyday is a school day!  ;D
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: Jon MW on June 04, 2008, 13:36:52 PM

...

His answer at the time was that if a vessel can be carried by another vessel, then it"s a boat. If it cannot be carried by another vessel then it"s a ship. ...


So what ship would this boat be carried on?  ;)

(http://www.riverboatdiscovery.com/design/riverboat.jpg)

I have heard that definition before - but this is the reason why I"d stick to my guns by saying that their isn"t a proper definition.
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: HaworthBantam on June 04, 2008, 13:44:24 PM


...

His answer at the time was that if a vessel can be carried by another vessel, then it"s a boat. If it cannot be carried by another vessel then it"s a ship. ...


So what ship would this boat be carried on?  ;)

(http://www.riverboatdiscovery.com/design/riverboat.jpg)

I have heard that definition before - but this is the reason why I"d stick to my guns by saying that their isn"t a proper definition.


Ah, that would be an American vessel, yes ? As I said, the US navy have a different definition that I can"t remember....  :D
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: AMRN on June 04, 2008, 13:48:12 PM
Sorry, you"re all missing the critical and most fundamental difference between a boat and a ship, that being the fact that you would sound really silly if you won a big hand in a poker game and stood up to shout "BOAT IT"!!

It"s obvious really!!!

Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: Jon MW on June 04, 2008, 13:59:16 PM



...

His answer at the time was that if a vessel can be carried by another vessel, then it"s a boat. If it cannot be carried by another vessel then it"s a ship. ...


So what ship would this boat be carried on?  ;)

(http://www.riverboatdiscovery.com/design/riverboat.jpg)

I have heard that definition before - but this is the reason why I"d stick to my guns by saying that their isn"t a proper definition.


Ah, that would be an American vessel, yes ? As I said, the US navy have a different definition that I can"t remember....  :D


I don"t think the US Navy have many paddle boats in their fleet though ;)
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: HaworthBantam on June 04, 2008, 15:15:33 PM

Just had a chat with my dad (I think he"s been to the pub) and he said "A boat is what you get into when the ship is sinking".

I think somebody must have told him that one because he"s not usually that funny  ;D
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: Roscopiko on June 04, 2008, 15:56:48 PM


...

His answer at the time was that if a vessel can be carried by another vessel, then it"s a boat. If it cannot be carried by another vessel then it"s a ship. ...


So what ship would this boat be carried on?  ;)

(http://www.riverboatdiscovery.com/design/riverboat.jpg)



Maybe this one?
(http://static.flickr.com/129/319387071_ca16112306.jpg)
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: Hooligooner on June 05, 2008, 13:45:41 PM
The paddle boat is an inland vessel, ships are always sea going.

That"s a complete guess by the way.
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: kinboshi on June 05, 2008, 15:14:33 PM
A life boat and a tug boat are both sea going.

Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: Cyntaf on June 05, 2008, 16:13:22 PM
I"d rather be in a lifeboat Dan.
Unless i needed a good Tug ::)
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: Santino67 on June 05, 2008, 17:06:19 PM
They"re both ships................
except for the boat  ???
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: Hooligooner on June 05, 2008, 17:17:44 PM
A life boat is carried by a ship, the previous explanation still holds true.

Not sure about a tug boat, but there"s a joke in there somewhere.
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: biffa85 on June 05, 2008, 20:54:58 PM
saying boat is not nearly as bad as saying I"ve got a ship.....so boat it!

;)
Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: kinboshi on June 06, 2008, 13:35:06 PM
If you hit a boat on the river, ship it!!

Title: Re: When is a hill not a hill
Post by: jacklevel06 on June 08, 2008, 22:36:52 PM
I"m  over the hill apparently  :D