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Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: fandango on April 30, 2015, 13:14:02 PM
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Hi folks,
With the WSOP just 4 weeks away, are we interested in doing our yearly fantasy league? Have been running for the last few years and always been a nice way of keeping up on the news from Vegas..
Last year Des was even kind enough to add a ME seat to a national event as added value to the winner!! So perhaps he will do the same kind gesture this year ;D?
We need to see how much interest is shown before we give it the thumbs up or down, last year John kindly agreed to do a spreadsheet and log points/scores etc, with myself and Chris helping to collect funds and look for point scores etc.. I"m happy to collect and look for points as usual, and maybe John and Chris will also help again.
We also need to have a look at rules/points etc as there is always some teething problems each year.
So do we have the usual categories to choose from and then 3 wild cards? Or completely change it and have 8-10 complete random picks? Do we give 1 point for cash 3 points for FT and 8 points for win? Etc etc..
Discuss.. Need to get up and running in the next couple of weeks to try and increase numbers.
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I"d vote keep it the same as last year... Thought it ran very well. Will definitely enter and happy to help out if I can in any way.
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I"d vote keep it the same as last year... Thought it ran very well. Will definitely enter and happy to help out if I can in any way.
Cheers Simon.. Always happy for everyone to track scores etc.. If John wants to relinquish his excell duties, how are you with this?
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I really enjoyed this last year. Definitely want to participate again this year :)
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Last years I think was def the best run so far, happy to help again. On my phone at the mo, could someone post the categories from last year and the scoring ? Think it"s still worth having a look even if we decide it"s fine as it is?? Do we need categories? Would it be more interesting with a team of wild cards?
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Last years I think was def the best run so far, happy to help again. On my phone at the mo, could someone post the categories from last year and the scoring ? Think it"s still worth having a look even if we decide it"s fine as it is?? Do we need categories? Would it be more interesting with a team of wild cards?
Please PM your team that you choose to John Murray (Mintrav).
The rules are pretty simple, choose 1 player from the catergories below, and 3 wild cards of your choice. You can either choose a player listed or draft in one of your own choice, that fits that particular catergory. You also need to nominate 1 of your players to be team captain, this player will score double points for you. Closing date will be on May 25th.
Scoring..
5 points if they win a Bracelet
3 points for a Final Table apperance (last 8 of HU event)
1 point for a cash
2 points for ME cash
5 points for Nov 9
10 points for ME win
Prizes..
We will hold a prizepool if you decide to join the payed game, which will cost £10 if you want both series and ME sweat, or £5 if you just want one or other (please state when submitting team). Depending on how many play will depend on how many places will pay. (this will be decided when registration closes on May 25th)
Des has kindly offered a added value prize consisting of a live main event ticket which will also be won by the winning contestant..
If you decide to play for fun you would still be in with a chance of winning this.
Catergories..
Previous Main Event winner..
1. Phil Hellmuth
2. Johnny Chan
3. Huck Seed
4. Scotty Nguyen
5. Carlos Mortensen
6. Chris Moneymaker
7. Joe Hachem
8. Jonathan Duhamel
9. Joe Cada
10. Peter Eastgate
British player
1. Chris Moorman
2. Sam Grafton
3. Jake Cody
4. David Vamplew
5. Sam Trickett
6. Neil Channing
7. Toby Lewis
8. JP Kelly
9. Stephen Chidwick
10. Sam Razavi
Female
1. Liv Boree
2. Vanessa Selbst
3. Jennifer Harman
4. Maria Ho
5. Vanessa Rousso
6. Annette Obrestad
7. Sandra Naujoks
8. Victoria Coren Web
9. Amanda Musumeci
10. Ana Marquez
European player
1. Ole Schemion
2. Olivier Busquet
3. Marvin Rettenmaier
4. Eugene Katchalov
5. Philip Gruissem
6. Martin Finger
7. Elky
8. Yevgeny Timoshenko
9. Alex Bilokur
10.Igor Kurganov
High Stakes
1. Daniel Negreanu
2. Barry Greenstein
3. Antonio Estfandiari
4. Mike McDonald
5. Phil Galfond
6. Viktor Blom
7. IIari Sahamies
8. Phil Ivey
9. Daniel Cates
10. Gus Hanson
Wild Cards
1.
2.
3.
Payment is by Paypal or Bank transfer only and once you have submitted your team to John via PM he will contact me and i will PM you with details.. Once you have paid or you decide you just want the freeroll i will add your name to the confirmed list of entrants..
Any questions please can you post them on the discussion thread here.. http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=15103.30
So peeps you have a little over three weeks to get your squads in and amaze us all with your knowledge of whos a shark and whos a fish!!
Good luck all
This was previous years draft..
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Think the scoring is great for the series. Would prefer to go back the total amount a team cashes for in the main event but obviously happy with what the majority prefer?
With picking a team would prefer to just pick 8 players as I think the category system can lead to a few pics that everyone has which can make it a tad boring?
We having a captain pick again?
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Think the scoring is great for the series. Would prefer to go back the total amount a team cashes for in the main event but obviously happy with what the majority prefer?
With picking a team would prefer to just pick 8 players as I think the category system can lead to a few pics that everyone has which can make it a tad boring?
We having a captain pick again?
What about then having 8 picks, but there has to be at least a female, European, English and former champ of anyone"s choice, instead of say just 8 picks that will probably be made up of mainly American/male..?
Could always scrap the ME sweat and just run it £10 for the series winner?
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Happy to play along again, although the scoring looks a bit wonky tbh.
To only get 4 more points for winning a bracelet over a min cash seems a bit mean.
How about 1 for a cash, and then the F1 scoring system, so 9th gets 2, 8th gets 4, 7th gets 6, 6th gets 8, 5th gets 10, 4th gets 12, 3rd gets 15, 2nd gets 18 and the winner gets 25.
We ran this in our online event last year and it worked really well as everyone has a chance to get back in it after a slow start.
Just my opinion obv ;)
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Think the scoring is great for the series. Would prefer to go back the total amount a team cashes for in the main event but obviously happy with what the majority prefer?
With picking a team would prefer to just pick 8 players as I think the category system can lead to a few pics that everyone has which can make it a tad boring?
We having a captain pick again?
What about then having 8 picks, but there has to be at least a Vanessa Selbst, European, English and former champ of anyone"s choice, instead of say just 8 picks that will probably be made up of mainly American/male..?
Could always scrap the ME sweat and just run it £10 for the series winner?
fyp
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Happy to play along again, although the scoring looks a bit wonky tbh.
To only get 4 more points for winning a bracelet over a min cash seems a bit mean.
How about 1 for a cash, and then the F1 scoring system, so 9th gets 2, 8th gets 4, 7th gets 6, 6th gets 8, 5th gets 10, 4th gets 12, 3rd gets 15, 2nd gets 18 and the winner gets 25.
We ran this in our online event last year and it worked really well as everyone has a chance to get back in it after a slow start.
Just my opinion obv ;)
Yes sounds a good idea IMO.. Only problem is if one player wins a bracelet and gets a 2nd or 3rd would it mean it"s pretty much over? Dunno.. But I like the idea of a player being rewarded more for snagging a bracelet.. Wonder if Don is going this year :D
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With picking a team would prefer to just pick 8 players as I think the category system can lead to a few pics that everyone has which can make it a tad boring?
What about then having 8 picks, but there has to be at least a female, European, English and former champ of anyone"s choice, instead of say just 8 picks that will probably be made up of mainly American/male..?
I would like that a lot. For me, a lot of the fun is finding players who have done well before but are not on everyone"s list. Several of last year"s teams started with Hellmuth, Negreanu, Ivey and Selbst plus four others. It does make some sense as they play all the events and do well, so you almost guaranteed a good base, though it means there is little reward for being innovative. At the end of last year"s competition I was intending to recommend that those four would not be eligible to be included in teams this year, to make it more interesting.
However, on reflection, it is probably important for us to make it as easy as possible for people and not put them off. It wouldn"t be much fun if we only got about nine entries cos we had made it difficult so, reluctantly, I am inclined to think that we need the lists so that more people can just make picks easily.
I would be pleased if there are lots of opinions disagreeing with that.
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Think the scoring is great for the series. Would prefer to go back the total amount a team cashes for in the main event but obviously happy with what the majority prefer?
With picking a team would prefer to just pick 8 players as I think the category system can lead to a few pics that everyone has which can make it a tad boring?
We having a captain pick again?
What about then having 8 picks, but there has to be at least a Vanessa Selbst, European, English and former champ of anyone"s choice, instead of say just 8 picks that will probably be made up of mainly American/male..?
Could always scrap the ME sweat and just run it £10 for the series winner?
fyp
Haha quality Brooksie.. Although she didn"t do that well last series, the amazing Amanda Ho was a cashing queen..
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With picking a team would prefer to just pick 8 players as I think the category system can lead to a few pics that everyone has which can make it a tad boring?
What about then having 8 picks, but there has to be at least a female, European, English and former champ of anyone"s choice, instead of say just 8 picks that will probably be made up of mainly American/male..?
I would like that a lot. For me, a lot of the fun is finding players who have done well before but are not on everyone"s list. Several of last year"s teams started with Hellmuth, Negreanu, Ivey and Selbst plus four others. It does make some sense as they play all the events and do well, so you almost guaranteed a good base, though it means there is little reward for being innovative. At the end of last year"s competition I was intending to recommend that those four would not be eligible to be included in teams this year, to make it more interesting.
However, on reflection, it is probably important for us to make it as easy as possible for people and not put them off. It wouldn"t be much fun if we only got about nine entries cos we had made it difficult so, reluctantly, I am inclined to think that we need the lists so that more people can just make picks easily.
I would be pleased if there are lots of opinions disagreeing with that.
Think the best way is to leave it open and NOT have a list of players in the selected catergories so you have free range of choice.. Tbh I"m looking at say having 4 set catergories and 4 wild cards (although it pretty much is all wild cards if you choose out of the box)
Previous ME winner
European
Female
English
Then 4 wildcards
Perhaps a captain again who scores x2 points? But if using F1 style scoring could mean if the captain wins a bracelet 50 points would be pretty hard for another player to catch up..
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With picking a team would prefer to just pick 8 players as I think the category system can lead to a few pics that everyone has which can make it a tad boring?
What about then having 8 picks, but there has to be at least a female, European, English and former champ of anyone"s choice, instead of say just 8 picks that will probably be made up of mainly American/male..?
I would like that a lot. For me, a lot of the fun is finding players who have done well before but are not on everyone"s list. Several of last year"s teams started with Hellmuth, Negreanu, Ivey and Selbst plus four others. It does make some sense as they play all the events and do well, so you almost guaranteed a good base, though it means there is little reward for being innovative. At the end of last year"s competition I was intending to recommend that those four would not be eligible to be included in teams this year, to make it more interesting.
However, on reflection, it is probably important for us to make it as easy as possible for people and not put them off. It wouldn"t be much fun if we only got about nine entries cos we had made it difficult so, reluctantly, I am inclined to think that we need the lists so that more people can just make picks easily.
I would be pleased if there are lots of opinions disagreeing with that.
I disagree with you John
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What do people think of the previous champs category?
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Also for scoring what about 1 for a cash, 5 for a FT and 10 for a Bracelet?
Dislike having points changing for each position at the FT ... you either won it or you didn"t :)
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Also for scoring what about 1 for a cash, 5 for a FT and 10 for a Bracelet?
Dislike having points changing for each position at the FT ... you either won it or you didn"t :)
What do people think of the previous champs category?
Happy to go with what everyone thinks regarding catergories and points ..
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Hi folks,
With the WSOP just 4 weeks away, are we interested in doing our yearly fantasy league? Have been running for the last few years and always been a nice way of keeping up on the news from Vegas..
Last year Des was even kind enough to add a ME seat to a national event as added value to the winner!! So perhaps he will do the same kind gesture this year ;D?
We need to see how much interest is shown before we give it the thumbs up or down, last year John kindly agreed to do a spreadsheet and log points/scores etc, with myself and Chris helping to collect funds and look for point scores etc.. I"m happy to collect and look for points as usual, and maybe John and Chris will also help again.
We also need to have a look at rules/points etc as there is always some teething problems each year.
So do we have the usual categories to choose from and then 3 wild cards? Or completely change it and have 8-10 complete random picks? Do we give 1 point for cash 3 points for FT and 8 points for win? Etc etc..
Discuss.. Need to get up and running in the next couple of weeks to try and increase numbers.
APAT are happy to support this with a National seat as last year Carl. Thanks for organising for the community.
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Hi folks,
With the WSOP just 4 weeks away, are we interested in doing our yearly fantasy league? Have been running for the last few years and always been a nice way of keeping up on the news from Vegas..
Last year Des was even kind enough to add a ME seat to a national event as added value to the winner!! So perhaps he will do the same kind gesture this year ;D?
We need to see how much interest is shown before we give it the thumbs up or down, last year John kindly agreed to do a spreadsheet and log points/scores etc, with myself and Chris helping to collect funds and look for point scores etc.. I"m happy to collect and look for points as usual, and maybe John and Chris will also help again.
We also need to have a look at rules/points etc as there is always some teething problems each year.
So do we have the usual categories to choose from and then 3 wild cards? Or completely change it and have 8-10 complete random picks? Do we give 1 point for cash 3 points for FT and 8 points for win? Etc etc..
Discuss.. Need to get up and running in the next couple of weeks to try and increase numbers.
APAT are happy to support this with a National seat as last year Carl. Thanks for organising for the community.
Many thanks Des, that"s very generous I"m sure the members echo my thoughts
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John has also kindly voluntered to do a spreadsheet so thanks goes to him again..
So are we all happy to say have a team of eight players, of which half will be made up of 1 player from the set catergories..
Previous ME winner..
Female Player
European Player
British Player
And then 4 wildcards of your own choice.
Scoring..
1 point for a cash
3 points for making final table ( last 8 of HU event )
10 points for winning bracelet
Choose a captain who scores double points? Or not?
Just have one competition £10 all in or two separate competitions £5 series £5 ME last longer?
Would like to have rules finalised by Sunday so we can start sending our picks to John so gives him plenty of chance to steal all our great picks ;D
So over to you guys you happy with points structure and rules about picks..
Need feedback on captain idea and payment option..
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European Player
Does anyone know if Gabriel Iemmito will be attending?
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Still trying to forget about him :(
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John has also kindly voluntered to do a spreadsheet so thanks goes to him again..
So are we all happy to say have a team of eight players, of which half will be made up of 1 player from the set catergories..
Previous ME winner..
Female Player
European Player
British Player
And then 4 wildcards of your own choice.
Scoring..
1 point for a cash
3 points for making final table ( last 8 of HU event )
10 points for winning bracelet
Choose a captain who scores double points? Or not?
Just have one competition £10 all in or two separate competitions £5 series £5 ME last longer?
Would like to have rules finalised by Sunday so we can start sending our picks to John so gives him plenty of chance to steal all our great picks ;D
So over to you guys you happy with points structure and rules about picks..
Need feedback on captain idea and payment option..
Captain to score double
One comp for a £10
Everything else spot on
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John has also kindly voluntered to do a spreadsheet so thanks goes to him again..
So are we all happy to say have a team of eight players, of which half will be made up of 1 player from the set catergories..
Previous ME winner..
Female Player
European Player
British Player
And then 4 wildcards of your own choice.
Scoring..
1 point for a cash
3 points for making final table ( last 8 of HU event )
10 points for winning bracelet
Choose a captain who scores double points? Or not?
Just have one competition £10 all in or two separate competitions £5 series £5 ME last longer?
Would like to have rules finalised by Sunday so we can start sending our picks to John so gives him plenty of chance to steal all our great picks ;D
So over to you guys you happy with points structure and rules about picks..
Need feedback on captain idea and payment option..
Captain to score double
One comp for a £10
Everything else spot on
Thanks Rich agree myself, see what the masses decide.
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Never played this but sounds like fun.
How do you know whos playing. Do you just assume the big names will be there?
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Pretty much Suzanne,
certain players will always be risky as you don"t know how serious they will take it or if they will end up just playing cash. (Tom Dwan / Galfond)
Then you have safer bets with people like Hellmuth and Negreanu who will play as many as they physicaly can.
Twitter can be a useful tool to find out who"s going :)
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Never played this but sounds like fun.
How do you know whos playing. Do you just assume the big names will be there?
Always a sure fire way I find is to look on the Hendon Mobs stats for any players you are looking to have in squad.. If they have lots of WSOP flags from last year etc, pretty good way of gauging if they will be putting in a shift..
Also no harm in sending them a PM on FB ;) asking if they will be playing the whole series.
But like Chris has mentioned be careful in selected certain "big" names they tend to steer clear of the $1,500-$3,000 events and wait for the bigger buy ins.
Taylor Paur
Erik Seidel
Calvin Anderson
Dominik Nitsche
Matt Glantz
Humberto brenes
Scott Clements
Maria Ho
David Peters
Dan Kelly
These players all cashed over 5 times last year for instance, so it"s probably safe to say they will be there again this year..
Also look to add players who are good at mixed games aswell as just NLH.
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Very helpful, thank you Carl x
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Never played this but sounds like fun.
How do you know whos playing. Do you just assume the big names will be there?
Some other big names likely to be playing, who you may want to pick for your team:
Bill Sheppard, Brendan Byrne, Jason Kemp, Glenn Laming, Tom Brady, Duncan Hodgkins, Richard Baker, Jo Howard, Andy Hall, Maggie Holt, Joe Carr, Adam Sharples, John Miller, Simon Lawlor, Presty. (May be some others I"ve missed.)
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Never played this but sounds like fun.
How do you know whos playing. Do you just assume the big names will be there?
Some other big names likely to be playing, who you may want to pick for your team:
Bill Sheppard, Brendan Byrne, Jason Kemp, Glenn Laming, Tom Brady, Duncan Hodgkins, Richard Baker, Jo Howard, Andy Hall, Maggie Holt, Joe Carr, Adam Sharples, John Miller. (May be some others I"ve missed.)
This should so be in as an extra category.... Need a confirmed list of players and tournies though!
Me: ::) - Potentially one event (Extended levels) and I"d need to sell £350 of the buy-in... (This is doable right - GoFundMe?) :D
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Will have a go at this. One question... Ludo Geilich - UK player or European?
Add me and Leigh to the APAT list. We"re in for the Millionaire Maker and Monster Stack, possibly the 6max.
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Has to be UK player, speaks with a scottish accent and hangs around with the other UK players?
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Will have a go at this. One question... Ludo Geilich - UK player or European?
Going by the Hendon Mob he is classed as German.. But he is pretty much been adopted by Scotland/England..
Will let you know when I have heard back from him, if he wants to be classed as German then he will fall into the European category.. Otherwise he will be classed as British.
Def British.. Born in Scotland, lived in Scotland all his life his mothers German, straight from the horses mouth.
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Never played this but sounds like fun.
How do you know whos playing. Do you just assume the big names will be there?
Some other big names likely to be playing, who you may want to pick for your team:
Bill Sheppard, Brendan Byrne, Jason Kemp, Glenn Laming, Tom Brady, Duncan Hodgkins, Richard Baker, Jo Howard, Andy Hall, Maggie Holt, Joe Carr, Adam Sharples, John Miller, Simon Lawlor, Presty. (May be some others I"ve missed.)
I"m not eligible :P
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Oops.
I have forgotten to enter this.
I am, now, sat in a hostel in Dublin on my way to Vegas with no way of accessing my bank account.
Anyone coming to Vegas that I can pay £10 to in order to enter?
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Oops.
I have forgotten to enter this.
I am, now, sat in a hostel in Dublin on my way to Vegas with no way of accessing my bank account.
Anyone coming to Vegas that I can pay £10 to in order to enter?
I"ll tx £10 to Carl for you Adam.
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Tom - legend, thank you. One crisp £10 note waiting here.