| Date | Event | Start | Description | Days | Buyin |
| Sat, 8 Apr 17 | #1 | 12:00 | 8 Game Players Championship - DAY ONE | 2 | £100+£10 |
| #2 | 13:00 | Irish Championship | 1 | £50+£6 | |
| #3 | 17:00 | 6 Max Championship - DAY ONE | 2 | £50+£10 | |
| Sun, 9 Apr 17 | #4 | 12:00 | Main Event - Day 1A | 3 | £100+£10 |
| 13:00 | 8 Game Players Championship - FINAL TABLE | - | - | ||
| 14:00 | 6 Max Championship - FINAL DAY | - | - | ||
| #5 | 18:00 | NLHE Turbo Championship | 1 | £50+£6 | |
| Wed, 12 Apr 17 | #6 | 12:00 | Shootout Championship | 1 | £50+£6 |
| #7 | 14:00 | HORSE Championship | 1 | £50+£6 | |
| #8 | 18:00 | Antes Only Championship | 1 | £50+£6 | |
| Thu, 13 Apr 17 | #9 | 12:00 | Team Championship - DAY ONE | 2 | £100+£10 |
| #10 | 13:00 | Mixed (ROE NLHE/PLO) Championship | 1 | £50+£6 | |
| #11 | 17:00 | High Roller Championship - DAY ONE | 2 | £200+£20 | |
| Fri, 14 Apr 17 | 12:00 | Main Event - Day 1B | 3 | £100+£10 | |
| 13:00 | Team Championship - FINAL DAY | - | £100+£10 | ||
| #12 | 14:00 | Mix Max Championship | 1 | £50+£6 | |
| 17:00 | High Roller Championship - FINAL DAY | - | - | ||
| Sat, 15 Apr 17 | 12:00 | Main Event - Day 1C | 3 | £100+£10 | |
| #13 | 16:00 | Pot Limit Omaha Championship - DAY ONE | 2 | £50+£10 | |
| #14 | 18:00 | Open Face Chinese Championship | 1 | £50+£6 | |
| Sun, 16 Apr 17 | 12:00 | Pot Limit Omaha Championship - FINAL TABLE | - | - | |
| #15 | 13:00 | Pot Limit Omaha High/Low Championship | 1 | £50+£6 | |
| 14:00 | Main Event - Day 2 | - | - | ||
| #16 | 18:00 | Cash Tournament Championship | 1 | £50+£10+£6 | |
| Mon, 17 Apr 17 | #17 | 12:00 | Heads Up Championship | 1 | £50+£6 |
| 14:00 | Main Event - FINAL TABLE | - | - | ||
| #18 | 15:00 | Crazy Pineapple Championship | 1 | £50+£6 |
Considering a holiday to Madchester next Easter but there is a noticeable gap in my plans on Monday and Tuesday.
I am thinking that what is needed on those 2 days is a £50+£10+£6 NLHE Bounty Tournament and a satellite to the High Roller.
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Apparently quoting it did!!!
I found a place to stay http://www.parkview-residence.com/ only £45 per night for a single except for the saturday night which is £62.50 for an ensuite or if you don"t mind an external bathroom than it"s £45 per night.
Carey
I found a place to stay http://www.parkview-residence.com/ only £45 per night for a single except for the saturday night which is £62.50 for an ensuite or if you don"t mind an external bathroom than it"s £45 per night.
Carey
Anyone planning on staying for the whole WCOAP could do worse that the Travelodge Manchester Arena.
£399 for 9 days (pre-paid) + additional costs parking.
disappointed to see no stud games and no plo8 or limit o8.
disappointed to see no stud games and no plo8 or limit o8.
There is a PLO8 event..for some reason it doesn"t have a number on Tom's list but it"s on Sun, 16 Apr 17
At least there better be....I"m planning on playing it...if I"m not final tabling the PLO.
As for Stud, there"s enough of that in the 8 game and HORSE.
Frankly, I believe it"s been APAT's experience Stud games take too long and aren"t well supported....or at least don"t generare enough interest to make it worthwhile putting them on.
Frankly, I believe it"s been APAT's experience Stud games take too long and aren"t well supported....or at least don"t generare enough interest to make it worthwhile putting them on.
Frankly, I believe it"s been APAT's experience Stud games take too long and aren"t well supported....or at least don"t generate enough interest to make it worthwhile putting them on.
Well they definitely won"t be well supported this year, so if that"s the criteria, they won"t be in next year either.
...or at least don"t generate **enough** interest to make it worthwhile putting them on.
Quote...or at least don"t generate **enough** interest to make it worthwhile putting them on.
These are long comps and, from memory, the number of players able & willing to play them was relatively small. Usually in the 30-40 range again, from memory so I may be off on that.
Certainly, there"s an argument to be made for them but other games, Chinese / Crazy Pineapple / Mixed (ROE NLHE/PLO) seem to be more popular at present, and with an extensive schedule to neogotiate with Grosvenor I guess something had to give.
Frankly, I believe it"s been APAT's experience Stud games take too long and aren"t well supported....or at least don"t generate enough interest to make it worthwhile putting them on.
Well they definitely won"t be well supported this year, so if that"s the criteria, they won"t be in next year either.
Fair enough but my second point applies though, I believe.Quote...or at least don"t generate **enough** interest to make it worthwhile putting them on.
These are long comps and, from memory, the number of players able & willing to play them was relatively small. Usually in the 30-40 range again, from memory so I may be off on that.
Certainly, there"s an argument to be made for them but other games, Chinese / Crazy Pineapple / Mixed (ROE NLHE/PLO) seem to be more popular at present, and with an extensive schedule to neogotiate with Grosvenor I guess something had to give.
I suppose we"ll see how popular the alternatives actually are. If they aren"t as supported as is hoped, who knows, we might be able to persuade Tom to try the Stud again next year.
I hope so...I like Stud too.
Why have the Stud and Razz tournaments been dropped yet the OFC and Antes Only left in - when Razz scored more runners than Antes Only and Stud more than OFC last year?
I know from Social Media that there are a few unhappy about this, not just me.
Quote...or at least don"t generate **enough** interest to make it worthwhile putting them on.
These are long comps and, from memory, the number of players able & willing to play them was relatively small. Usually in the 30-40 range again, from memory so I may be off on that.
Certainly, there"s an argument to be made for them but other games, Chinese / Crazy Pineapple / Mixed (ROE NLHE/PLO) seem to be more popular at present, and with an extensive schedule to neogotiate with Grosvenor I guess something had to give.
I agree with most of that until the last bit. Yes, there"s no room for Stud or Razz, but there"s also no first Monday or Tuesday.
First I"ve heard of Stud not getting support. In fact, I know it"s not true from bitter experience. In 2015, I left work early and travelled from Portsmouth to Aspers for the Stud, but wasn"t allowed to play because the cap had been reached. Any lack of numbers for Stud has been due to the caps imposed.
On the other hand, there are several mixed-games players opposed to the inclusion of OFC. There is a vocal group who want it, but there are many who don"t like it and don"t think it has a place, especially at the expense of Stud or Razz (or even on its own merits).
Frankly, I believe it"s been APAT's experience Stud games take too long and aren"t well supported....or at least don"t generate enough interest to make it worthwhile putting them on.
Well they definitely won"t be well supported this year, so if that"s the criteria, they won"t be in next year either.
Fair enough but my second point applies though, I believe.Quote...or at least don"t generate **enough** interest to make it worthwhile putting them on.
These are long comps and, from memory, the number of players able & willing to play them was relatively small. Usually in the 30-40 range again, from memory so I may be off on that.
Certainly, there"s an argument to be made for them but other games, Chinese / Crazy Pineapple / Mixed (ROE NLHE/PLO) seem to be more popular at present, and with an extensive schedule to neogotiate with Grosvenor I guess something had to give.
I suppose we"ll see how popular the alternatives actually are. If they aren"t as supported as is hoped, who knows, we might be able to persuade Tom to try the Stud again next year.
I hope so...I like Stud too.
Feel the need to point this out from earlier in the thread:
Why have the Stud and Razz tournaments been dropped yet the OFC and Antes Only left in - when Razz scored more runners than Antes Only and Stud more than OFC last year?
I know from Social Media that there are a few unhappy about this, not just me.
First I"ve heard of Stud not getting support. In fact, I know it"s not true from bitter experience. In 2015, I left work early and travelled from Portsmouth to Aspers for the Stud, but wasn"t allowed to play because the cap had been reached. Any lack of numbers for Stud has been due to the caps imposed.
On the other hand, there are several mixed-games players opposed to the inclusion of OFC. There is a vocal group who want it, but there are many who don"t like it and don"t think it has a place, especially at the expense of Stud or Razz (or even on its own merits).
I for one am hugely looking forward to WCOAP
Hope to see you there.
APAT to their absolute credit though are the only operator offering these games at any kind of buy in level especially at the incredible value of a £50 buy in. I would love to see Stud and Razz on the schedule but we need to be grateful that APAT continue break the mould by including Horse, OFC, O8 and others
I, like you Peripheral, am a massive advocate of limit poker in all forms. I don"t think most people appreciate the true nuance"s of these games and prefer the gamble and variance of nl/pl games. Not that that stops these people complaining when variance bites them on the proverbials. This of course is the opinion of the masses and every provider including APAT has to tailor their offering to the majority of their client base.
APAT to their absolute credit though are the only operator offering these games at any kind of buy in level especially at the incredible value of a £50 buy in. I would love to see Stud and Razz on the schedule but we need to be grateful that APAT continue break the mould by including Horse, OFC, O8 and others that other tour operators would never dare take the risk on. All of this is without even mentioning the hugely successful 8 game players championship from last year and will no doubt prove to be even more popular this year. Another example of the community clamoring for an offering, APAT listening and supplying.
I"m sure, dealers and space permitting, that we could arrange a mixed game cash table one night. If we can get the numbers I"m sure Tom would be happy to arrange something with the cardroom. I"ll be there all week and can see this being a lot of fun, so I"ll kick off the list by proposing Tuesday night (good practise for the horse the next day) either £1/£2 or £2/£4 with 50p/£1 ante/bring in for stud games. Who"s in?
Simon
First I"ve heard of Stud not getting support. In fact, I know it"s not true from bitter experience. In 2015, I left work early and travelled from Portsmouth to Aspers for the Stud, but wasn"t allowed to play because the cap had been reached. Any lack of numbers for Stud has been due to the caps imposed.
On the other hand, there are several mixed-games players opposed to the inclusion of OFC. There is a vocal group who want it, but there are many who don"t like it and don"t think it has a place, especially at the expense of Stud or Razz (or even on its own merits).
And there are many who don"t like Stud or Razz, and many who love OFC or would love to try it in a casino, real money buyin environment...
Last year (or was it the year before!?) we tried to introduce non-NLHE/PLO events to the APAT Tour with a view to providing the opportunity to play them, build the interest and take it forward. Regrettably they didn"t get the support needed, therefore we were restrained to take them forward... (this isn"t particularly aimed at this discussion around Stud/Razz in WCOAP).
What really helps, is seeing support, both live and online, for non-NLHE/PLO events that gives us a little hope that they may be supported and we can therefore have a degree of confidence in our discussions with venues. I know Leigh is keen to continue with this theme online... so here"s hoping.
This conversation could just go on and on and on based around individual preferences, so thankfully it is APAT who make the decisons, and not individuals, otherwise a schedule would never be agreed!... and in the HOPE that, overall, we give a balanced APAT Season whilst remaining committed to bring non-NLHE events to members year on year... but we can"t always give YOU want YOU want (not aimed at YOU personally John).
As we complete our discussions with G BNR, we"ll be confirming all details for WCOAP, including max numbers for each event, in the coming week or so.
I for one am hugely looking forward to WCOAP, especially the Team Championship where hopefully we will have a good increase in teams participating.
Hope to see you there.
Do we need to have any sort of "special" APAT membership to take part in these events?
I used to be active in the Liverpool forum a few years back but stopped playing poker for a while but this Championship looks great. I"d be playing in 9 of the events if possible. Do we just turn up on the day and register or is there a protocol to it?
Many thanks
Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?
Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?
Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?
Unlikely, its a 2 day event hence extra rake
Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?
Hi Simon, yes it"s correct... Last year Grosvenor introduced a min fee of £6 for events. I"ve even seen £10+£6 (rebuy admittedly!)...
Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?
Unlikely, its a 2 day event hence extra rake
Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?
Hi Simon, yes it"s correct... Last year Grosvenor introduced a min fee of £6 for events. I"ve even seen £10+£6 (rebuy admittedly!)...
Actually, my mistake... #13 PLO is £50+£10 - as it"s a 2 day event.
However, others ARE correctly listed as £50+£6 (1 day events).
Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?
Unlikely, its a 2 day event hence extra rake
Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?
Hi Simon, yes it"s correct... Last year Grosvenor introduced a min fee of £6 for events. I"ve even seen £10+£6 (rebuy admittedly!)...
Actually, my mistake... #13 PLO is £50+£10 - as it"s a 2 day event.
However, others ARE correctly listed as £50+£6 (1 day events).
I hope it"s going to be a better structure than last year, preferably more like the previous year.
Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?
Unlikely, its a 2 day event hence extra rake
Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?
Hi Simon, yes it"s correct... Last year Grosvenor introduced a min fee of £6 for events. I"ve even seen £10+£6 (rebuy admittedly!)...
Actually, my mistake... #13 PLO is £50+£10 - as it"s a 2 day event.
However, others ARE correctly listed as £50+£6 (1 day events).
I hope it"s going to be a better structure than last year, preferably more like the previous year.
What was wrong with last year"s Matt?
(bearing in mind 2015 was a 15k+15k Double Chance - this is not a DC)
Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?
Unlikely, its a 2 day event hence extra rake
Is the reg fee on #13 PLO a misprint? £50 + £6 the correct amount?
Hi Simon, yes it"s correct... Last year Grosvenor introduced a min fee of £6 for events. I"ve even seen £10+£6 (rebuy admittedly!)...
Actually, my mistake... #13 PLO is £50+£10 - as it"s a 2 day event.
However, others ARE correctly listed as £50+£6 (1 day events).
I hope it"s going to be a better structure than last year, preferably more like the previous year.
What was wrong with last year"s Matt?
(bearing in mind 2015 was a 15k+15k Double Chance - this is not a DC)
Wasn"t it something like 15 or 20 minute blinds for the first 15 levels or similar? Just seemed very rushed like it was shoehorned into the schedule. Good to see 20k and 30 mins this year.
The guys have done a super job of planning the Series, as always.
One event I think may struggle, though, is the Antes-Only on Wednesday.
Wednesday will be the most thinly attended day anyway. Even the HORSE may struggle, but early attenders that day are likely to be there for that. Not many are likely to make a special effort to get there just for the Antes-Only. Most Hold'em specialists will just show up for the Shootout and, due to the limit format of HORSE, few players will be eliminated from that in time to join the AO.
I would suggest that swapping the starting times of the Shootout and Antes-Only might work better. People would show up for the Shootout and the majority would be eliminated in time for the AO, and would then play that. Perhaps even putting the Shootout on first and the HORSE second would allow knockouts to drop into the HORSE, whereas there won"t be knockouts from the HORSE in time for the Shootout.
The possibility of playing PLO8 was the only reason we didn"t increase the clock on PLO Day 2 beyond 30 mins - anyone making Day 2 of PLO should be able, if wished, to take part in the PLO8 the same day (late reg included)
Tom,
Would I be right in thinking early buy-in via Grosvenor is likely to go live soon after Edinburgh...if not before?
I"d like to get some markers down as early as possible since I have some cash on the account.
The guys have done a super job of planning the Series, as always.
One event I think may struggle, though, is the Antes-Only on Wednesday.
Wednesday will be the most thinly attended day anyway. Even the HORSE may struggle, but early attenders that day are likely to be there for that. Not many are likely to make a special effort to get there just for the Antes-Only. Most Hold'em specialists will just show up for the Shootout and, due to the limit format of HORSE, few players will be eliminated from that in time to join the AO.
I would suggest that swapping the starting times of the Shootout and Antes-Only might work better. People would show up for the Shootout and the majority would be eliminated in time for the AO, and would then play that. Perhaps even putting the Shootout on first and the HORSE second would allow knockouts to drop into the HORSE, whereas there won"t be knockouts from the HORSE in time for the Shootout.
I totally agree John.
When I originally looked at this day, the AO will take around 10 hours to complete so a 6pm start would drag it on too late. One thing we"ve tried to do this year, in tandem with the venue, is not have TOO LATE finishes... we"ve had 4am, 5am and even 6am completion times before, and I was very keen to try and avoid that scenario overall... with a 6pm AO start time, I"d guestimate a completion around 4am... the shootout allows for a 1am ish finish if it starts at 6pm.
However, thanks for bringing it back to my attention, as I do agree with all your points and maybe a one-off 4am finish would be better than the negative sides if we don"t change it... so I"ll re-look at that.
The guys have done a super job of planning the Series, as always.
One event I think may struggle, though, is the Antes-Only on Wednesday.
Wednesday will be the most thinly attended day anyway. Even the HORSE may struggle, but early attenders that day are likely to be there for that. Not many are likely to make a special effort to get there just for the Antes-Only. Most Hold'em specialists will just show up for the Shootout and, due to the limit format of HORSE, few players will be eliminated from that in time to join the AO.
I would suggest that swapping the starting times of the Shootout and Antes-Only might work better. People would show up for the Shootout and the majority would be eliminated in time for the AO, and would then play that. Perhaps even putting the Shootout on first and the HORSE second would allow knockouts to drop into the HORSE, whereas there won"t be knockouts from the HORSE in time for the Shootout.
I totally agree John.
When I originally looked at this day, the AO will take around 10 hours to complete so a 6pm start would drag it on too late. One thing we"ve tried to do this year, in tandem with the venue, is not have TOO LATE finishes... we"ve had 4am, 5am and even 6am completion times before, and I was very keen to try and avoid that scenario overall... with a 6pm AO start time, I"d guestimate a completion around 4am... the shootout allows for a 1am ish finish if it starts at 6pm.
However, thanks for bringing it back to my attention, as I do agree with all your points and maybe a one-off 4am finish would be better than the negative sides if we don"t change it... so I"ll re-look at that.
Having looked at this a one-off 4am finish seems outweighed by the advantage of moving the Shootout to a noon start, so we"ll be amending the schedule for Wed as follows:
#6 12:00 Shootout Championship (8k/20 min) £50+£6
#7 14:00 HORSE Championship (8k/30 min) £50+£6
#8 18:00 Antes Only Championship (10k/30/20 min) £50+£6
John, thanks for taking the time to think these things through, and letting us know your thoughts - much appreciated.
We expect the Online Holding Tanks to go live within the next week, and Eventbrite "reserve a seat" will be released alongside, with a Full Player Briefing.
What sort of finish time are we looking at for 8-game Day 1? I see we"re back for 1300 the following day if we make the final so I would like to know what sort of sleeping time we"re going to be allowed if I or one of my mates get to that stage ;D
I"m already thinking about hotels and train tickets and trying to figure out what"s best, plus I have to sort out days off with work because we have Phase 1"s for the £6m GTD PartyPoker MILLIONS tournament (I work at Dusk Till Dawn as a dealer).
I know one or two said they"d be up for cash games of HORSE/8-game perhaps on the Monday/Tuesday between the HORSE and the 8 game comps so I"m wondering whether I should book a hotel from the 8th till the 13th, go home on the Thursday and deal Phase 1s for the rest of the week :P
Tbh I"m really up for playing two monster sessions of mixed game cash on the Monday Tuesday and possibly on the Saturday/Sunday depending on how I get on in these mixed game comps!
If I can build enough interest I will book the 5 days in a hotel, and if not, I can skip the Monday Tuesday and come back to Nottingham and go back on the Wednesday.
Bear in mind I"ve got a fair few fellow dealers coming up to play these games with me so we"ll not be short of players.
What"s the best solution?
What sort of finish time are we looking at for 8-game Day 1? I see we"re back for 1300 the following day if we make the final so I would like to know what sort of sleeping time we"re going to be allowed if I or one of my mates get to that stage ;D
I"m already thinking about hotels and train tickets and trying to figure out what"s best, plus I have to sort out days off with work because we have Phase 1"s for the £6m GTD PartyPoker MILLIONS tournament (I work at Dusk Till Dawn as a dealer).
I know one or two said they"d be up for cash games of HORSE/8-game perhaps on the Monday/Tuesday between the HORSE and the 8 game comps so I"m wondering whether I should book a hotel from the 8th till the 13th, go home on the Thursday and deal Phase 1s for the rest of the week :P
Tbh I"m really up for playing two monster sessions of mixed game cash on the Monday Tuesday and possibly on the Saturday/Sunday depending on how I get on in these mixed game comps!
If I can build enough interest I will book the 5 days in a hotel, and if not, I can skip the Monday Tuesday and come back to Nottingham and go back on the Wednesday.
Bear in mind I"ve got a fair few fellow dealers coming up to play these games with me so we"ll not be short of players.
What"s the best solution?
Hi Adam, I guestimate the 8-Game will complete circa 11pm, and the venue will be able to have dealers available for mixed cash games throughout Monday and Tuesday - would be great if those who wish to play these extensively on either/both days could confirm so I can ensure we have at least the min dealers from around noon each day I would suggest... ?
What sort of finish time are we looking at for 8-game Day 1? I see we"re back for 1300 the following day if we make the final so I would like to know what sort of sleeping time we"re going to be allowed if I or one of my mates get to that stage ;D
I"m already thinking about hotels and train tickets and trying to figure out what"s best, plus I have to sort out days off with work because we have Phase 1"s for the £6m GTD PartyPoker MILLIONS tournament (I work at Dusk Till Dawn as a dealer).
I know one or two said they"d be up for cash games of HORSE/8-game perhaps on the Monday/Tuesday between the HORSE and the 8 game comps so I"m wondering whether I should book a hotel from the 8th till the 13th, go home on the Thursday and deal Phase 1s for the rest of the week :P
Tbh I"m really up for playing two monster sessions of mixed game cash on the Monday Tuesday and possibly on the Saturday/Sunday depending on how I get on in these mixed game comps!
If I can build enough interest I will book the 5 days in a hotel, and if not, I can skip the Monday Tuesday and come back to Nottingham and go back on the Wednesday.
Bear in mind I"ve got a fair few fellow dealers coming up to play these games with me so we"ll not be short of players.
What"s the best solution?
Hi Adam, I guestimate the 8-Game will complete circa 11pm, and the venue will be able to have dealers available for mixed cash games throughout Monday and Tuesday - would be great if those who wish to play these extensively on either/both days could confirm so I can ensure we have at least the min dealers from around noon each day I would suggest... ?
Happy to confirm the following available on the Monday and Tuesday during WCOAP:
Monday 10th April
Cash Omaha/NLH/Mixed games from early afternoon
STT Satellites for APAT WCOAP High Roller
19:30 Easter Beast Day 1a - multi flight / multi venue tournament all players who make day 2 heading to Didsbury for the final day on 17th April @ 2pm. £100 + £10 buy in, 20k stack, 2 x re-entries per flight, £20,000 Gtd
Tuesday 11th April
FROM 9AM Cash Omaha/NLH/Mixed games
STT Satellites for APAT WCOAP High Roller
20:00 £50+£6+1 x optional R/A (1 re-entry permitted), 10,000 chips (2k early bird bonus), 25 min clock, £7,500 Gtd
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Mixed Cash:
£2/£2/£5 (£8 per hour session fee) and all games are pot limit.
Can cater for lower stakes (£1/£1 5% rake capped at £5) and higher if requested (£10) per hour session fee.
Games are:
Stud Padooki
Paduci
Omaha (High)
Omaha (Hi/Low)
Maltese Cross
Triple Draw
Super Stud
Irish
Scottish
Padooki
5 Card Draw Hi/Low
Matrix (Triple Board Hi Low Omaha)
Quick question - if I enter a bunch of events, but then make Day 2 of one of them (wishful thinking!), can I get a refund on the event I can no longer play?
Excited! Train and hotel booked!
Is there any chance of making the HORSE and 8 game deeper by 2k?
Is there any chance of making the HORSE and 8 game deeper by 2k?
Unfortunately not Adam, HORSE has already been moved to a later start time... but you realise the 8-Game is 50k?
Is there any chance of making the HORSE and 8 game deeper by 2k?
Unfortunately not Adam, HORSE has already been moved to a later start time... but you realise the 8-Game is 50k?
Happy to confirm the following available on the Monday and Tuesday during WCOAP:
Monday 10th April
Cash Omaha/NLH/Mixed games from early afternoon
STT Satellites for APAT WCOAP High Roller
19:30 Easter Beast Day 1a - multi flight / multi venue tournament all players who make day 2 heading to Didsbury for the final day on 17th April @ 2pm. £100 + £10 buy in, 20k stack, 2 x re-entries per flight, £20,000 Gtd
Tuesday 11th April
FROM 9AM Cash Omaha/NLH/Mixed games
STT Satellites for APAT WCOAP High Roller
20:00 £50+£6+1 x optional R/A (1 re-entry permitted), 10,000 chips (2k early bird bonus), 25 min clock, £7,500 Gtd
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Mixed Cash:
£2/£2/£5 (£8 per hour session fee) and all games are pot limit.
Can cater for lower stakes (£1/£1 5% rake capped at £5) and higher if requested (£10) per hour session fee.
Games are:
Stud Padooki
Paduci
Omaha (High)
Omaha (Hi/Low)
Maltese Cross
Triple Draw
Super Stud
Irish
Scottish
Padooki
5 Card Draw Hi/Low
Matrix (Triple Board Hi Low Omaha)
Great stuff, although I am really keen to get a fixed limit game going. Any chance?
The difference for me and I imagine a number of people is that fixed limit will be in my price range, but pot limit won"t be.
Happy to confirm the following available on the Monday and Tuesday during WCOAP:
Monday 10th April
Cash Omaha/NLH/Mixed games from early afternoon
STT Satellites for APAT WCOAP High Roller
19:30 Easter Beast Day 1a - multi flight / multi venue tournament all players who make day 2 heading to Didsbury for the final day on 17th April @ 2pm. £100 + £10 buy in, 20k stack, 2 x re-entries per flight, £20,000 Gtd
Tuesday 11th April
FROM 9AM Cash Omaha/NLH/Mixed games
STT Satellites for APAT WCOAP High Roller
20:00 £50+£6+1 x optional R/A (1 re-entry permitted), 10,000 chips (2k early bird bonus), 25 min clock, £7,500 Gtd
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Mixed Cash:
£2/£2/£5 (£8 per hour session fee) and all games are pot limit.
Can cater for lower stakes (£1/£1 5% rake capped at £5) and higher if requested (£10) per hour session fee.
Games are:
Stud Padooki
Paduci
Omaha (High)
Omaha (Hi/Low)
Maltese Cross
Triple Draw
Super Stud
Irish
Scottish
Padooki
5 Card Draw Hi/Low
Matrix (Triple Board Hi Low Omaha)
Great stuff, although I am really keen to get a fixed limit game going. Any chance?
The difference for me and I imagine a number of people is that fixed limit will be in my price range, but pot limit won"t be.
much rather play a limit mixed game cash table say £2/£4 with max £4 rake? Could Casino run this or are dealer costs too high?
Was thinking the games from:
2-7 TD
Badugi
Razz
Stud
Stud 8
O8
A-5 TD
Plus other games more suited to Limit?
Happy to confirm the following available on the Monday and Tuesday during WCOAP:
Monday 10th April
Cash Omaha/NLH/Mixed games from early afternoon
STT Satellites for APAT WCOAP High Roller
19:30 Easter Beast Day 1a - multi flight / multi venue tournament all players who make day 2 heading to Didsbury for the final day on 17th April @ 2pm. £100 + £10 buy in, 20k stack, 2 x re-entries per flight, £20,000 Gtd
Tuesday 11th April
FROM 9AM Cash Omaha/NLH/Mixed games
STT Satellites for APAT WCOAP High Roller
20:00 £50+£6+1 x optional R/A (1 re-entry permitted), 10,000 chips (2k early bird bonus), 25 min clock, £7,500 Gtd
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Mixed Cash:
£2/£2/£5 (£8 per hour session fee) and all games are pot limit.
Can cater for lower stakes (£1/£1 5% rake capped at £5) and higher if requested (£10) per hour session fee.
Games are:
Stud Padooki
Paduci
Omaha (High)
Omaha (Hi/Low)
Maltese Cross
Triple Draw
Super Stud
Irish
Scottish
Padooki
5 Card Draw Hi/Low
Matrix (Triple Board Hi Low Omaha)
Great stuff, although I am really keen to get a fixed limit game going. Any chance?
The difference for me and I imagine a number of people is that fixed limit will be in my price range, but pot limit won"t be.
much rather play a limit mixed game cash table say £2/£4 with max £4 rake? Could Casino run this or are dealer costs too high?
Was thinking the games from:
2-7 TD
Badugi
Razz
Stud
Stud 8
O8
A-5 TD
Plus other games more suited to Limit?
hi, never multi tabled live before and have couple queries,
As we progress the fine tuning of the WCOAP, we recognise for WCOAP 2017, where we have a lot of multiple-day-events, that not being able to multi-table may restrict event choices and enjoyment throughout the week, and therefore for WCOAP 2017 players WILL be allowed to multi-table where they are involved in Day 2 of an event ONLY, with the exception of the Main Event Final Table.
Examples:
Nobody can multi-table any events on Saturday 8th (as there are no "Day 2" events that day) but if someone plays #1 (8-game) or #3 (6-max) and make Day 2 of the event being played on Sunday 9th, then they may play the #4 Main Event Day 1A at the same time.
If someone qualifies for #13 PLO Final Table on Sunday 16th, they can multi-table between the PLO and the Main Event Day 2.
No player who makes the Main Event Final Table on Monday 17 April can multi-table between that and the Heads Up nor the Crazy Pineapple.
As we progress the fine tuning of the WCOAP, we recognise for WCOAP 2017, where we have a lot of multiple-day-events, that not being able to multi-table may restrict event choices and enjoyment throughout the week, and therefore for WCOAP 2017 players WILL be allowed to multi-table where they are involved in Day 2 of an event ONLY, with the exception of the Main Event Final Table.hi, never multi tabled live before and have couple queries,
Examples:
Nobody can multi-table any events on Saturday 8th (as there are no "Day 2" events that day) but if someone plays #1 (8-game) or #3 (6-max) and make Day 2 of the event being played on Sunday 9th, then they may play the #4 Main Event Day 1A at the same time.
If someone qualifies for #13 PLO Final Table on Sunday 16th, they can multi-table between the PLO and the Main Event Day 2.
No player who makes the Main Event Final Table on Monday 17 April can multi-table between that and the Heads Up nor the Crazy Pineapple.
firstly can u only multi table with day2s and main event day1s or could I multi table day2 #3 6max and #5 nlhe turbo then day2 #11 highroller and #12 mix max and lastly day2 main even and #16 cash.
secondly is there a rule/etiquette in regards to min time spent at table i.e could I be playing in my day 2 then go and play other tourney for half hour then go back to my day 2 cheers
[Help please anyone?
As we progress the fine tuning of the WCOAP, we recognise for WCOAP 2017, where we have a lot of multiple-day-events, that not being able to multi-table may restrict event choices and enjoyment throughout the week, and therefore for WCOAP 2017 players WILL be allowed to multi-table where they are involved in Day 2 of an event ONLY, with the exception of the Main Event Final Table.hi, never multi tabled live before and have couple queries,
Examples:
Nobody can multi-table any events on Saturday 8th (as there are no "Day 2" events that day) but if someone plays #1 (8-game) or #3 (6-max) and make Day 2 of the event being played on Sunday 9th, then they may play the #4 Main Event Day 1A at the same time.
If someone qualifies for #13 PLO Final Table on Sunday 16th, they can multi-table between the PLO and the Main Event Day 2.
No player who makes the Main Event Final Table on Monday 17 April can multi-table between that and the Heads Up nor the Crazy Pineapple.
firstly can u only multi table with day2s and main event day1s or could I multi table day2 #3 6max and #5 nlhe turbo then day2 #11 highroller and #12 mix max and lastly day2 main even and #16 cash.
secondly is there a rule/etiquette in regards to min time spent at table i.e could I be playing in my day 2 then go and play other tourney for half hour then go back to my day 2 cheers
I"m sure it"s on here somewhere but can someone confirm the 8 games in the 8 game players championship and presumably apart from hold em nl and plo are all the rest limit games?
with the risk of sounding stupid can someone please confirm what ROE in ROE NLHE/PLO means and also what the MIX MAX championship is? thankyou
OK brilliant thank you - is it likely to be OK to turn up and pay and play or do they tend to reach the limit early, or can you buy a seat for Thursday and Friday when you pay into the HORSE on the Wednesday? not sure if you know these things, but thought I would ask cheers
The Cash Game Championship... is that you get £60 of cash chips and you play for 180mins and keep whatever (if any) you have left?
Looking forward to coming along for the Main Event and - hopefully - HORSE. Will there be any car parking offers similar to those at previous WCOAPs held in Stratford?
Looking forward to coming along for the Main Event and - hopefully - HORSE. Will there be any car parking offers similar to those at previous WCOAPs held in Stratford?
Quick question - if I enter a bunch of events, but then make Day 2 of one of them (wishful thinking!), can I get a refund on the event I can no longer play?
Excited! Train and hotel booked!
Hi Joe, we posted earlier on this thread HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php/topic,19740.msg251774.html#msg251774) about being able to multi-table during WCOAP if you make Day 2 of an event...
But yes, if you prefer, we can withdraw you from an event if you have made a Day 2 that clashes...
Quick question - if I enter a bunch of events, but then make Day 2 of one of them (wishful thinking!), can I get a refund on the event I can no longer play?
Excited! Train and hotel booked!
Hi Joe, we posted earlier on this thread HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php/topic,19740.msg251774.html#msg251774) about being able to multi-table during WCOAP if you make Day 2 of an event...
But yes, if you prefer, we can withdraw you from an event if you have made a Day 2 that clashes...
Hi Tom
May seem a silly question.
I take it anyone who buys in online for the high roller and then plays the live high roller satellite at the Casino will get a refund if they qualify through the satellite.
As someone who stopped playing poker last year after 16 years, I will make a few observations. I hope they are not considered too negative but for a start I will give the reasons I have never played an APAT event. A seat is not guaranteed unless you reserve one in advance, and then the reserve deposit is lost, not considered part of the buy in.
I love the old games rather than NLHE all the time, in fact I came to hate the game. So for me there would never be enough stud and omaha type games to make it worthwhile a few days overnight stay to play the APAT. The only place that now does those games is the WSOP - perhaps a trip to the WSOP if ever I get off my arse and inspired enough to play again and donk off £10-15k. I know that's a lot more than a few quid to reserve an APAT seat but I consider that deposit money being lost to be a bit of an insult.
The APAT was sometimes tempting but it just never had enough of those alternative games (not the dreaded open face thing) to break through my increasing apathy. APAT is a very commendable thing, and I hope you keep going, but I also hope you broaden the appeal with a few more stud or omaha type games, not fewer. I know that's the way it's gone, and that's the way it will keep going. God I hate holdem.
As someone who stopped playing poker last year after 16 years, I will make a few observations. I hope they are not considered too negative but for a start I will give the reasons I have never played an APAT event. A seat is not guaranteed unless you reserve one in advance, and then the reserve deposit is lost, not considered part of the buy in.
I love the old games rather than NLHE all the time, in fact I came to hate the game. So for me there would never be enough stud and omaha type games to make it worthwhile a few days overnight stay to play the APAT. The only place that now does those games is the WSOP - perhaps a trip to the WSOP if ever I get off my arse and inspired enough to play again and donk off £10-15k. I know that's a lot more than a few quid to reserve an APAT seat but I consider that deposit money being lost to be a bit of an insult.
The APAT was sometimes tempting but it just never had enough of those alternative games (not the dreaded open face thing) to break through my increasing apathy. APAT is a very commendable thing, and I hope you keep going, but I also hope you broaden the appeal with a few more stud or omaha type games, not fewer. I know that's the way it's gone, and that's the way it will keep going. God I hate holdem.
Hi Anthony,
Thanks for your feedback, it's always appreciated.
When putting a schedule together, it's always about finding a balance in the variants we offer. Our WCOAP event is now in its 9th year, and it has grown each year, offering recreational players a variety of poker variants for a low buy. We pride ourselves on giving the best possible structure we can within the constraints of the venue and staffing.
I'm not sure where you have been able to get your fix of live non-holdem tournaments over the past 16 years, but I'm quite surprised you've never decided to give an APAT event a go at some point. My understanding of the UK poker scene is that you will see the odd variant tournament, but they are few and far between.
The reservation fee is just another way APAT has innovated to give players flexibility in how they can play our events. We don't force players down that route, as we always run online holding tanks (with no fee) for all our events, plus players can just turn up on the day (although as our events do have a cap, we cannot guarantee spaces will be available).
You don't need to follow the event to see what people have to say. We've got 10 years of feedback on APAT events. You'll not find anywhere else in the UK where you can pit your wits against likeminded lovers of non-holdem games. They are a geeky bunch, but we love them for it :)
Leigh
Tom could you confirm the start time for the 6-Max on the opening Saturday. It's listed on here at 5pm but Grosvenor client says 6pm. Thanks.
Tom could you confirm the start time for the 6-Max on the opening Saturday. It's listed on here at 5pm but Grosvenor client says 6pm. Thanks.
5pm Tom, and thanks for the Heads Up... I'll check the G client.
Tom could you confirm the start time for the 6-Max on the opening Saturday. It's listed on here at 5pm but Grosvenor client says 6pm. Thanks.
5pm Tom, and thanks for the Heads Up... I'll check the G client.
Seems timings have changed with the clock going forward mate... all timings are as per the APAT website... the holding tanks close this coming Friday so we'll just let them 'play out'...
We'll have contact details for all individuals who buy in via G Holding Tanks, and next week I'll be sending them all info and will confirm the full schedule at the same time...
Can someone show me a link to where to reserve a seat via eventbrite please.
Cheers Leigh.Can someone show me a link to where to reserve a seat via eventbrite please.
EVENTBRITE LINK (https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/world-championship-of-amateur-poker-2017-tickets-31402415470)
As someone who stopped playing poker last year after 16 years, I will make a few observations. I hope they are not considered too negative but for a start I will give the reasons I have never played an APAT event. A seat is not guaranteed unless you reserve one in advance, and then the reserve deposit is lost, not considered part of the buy in.
I love the old games rather than NLHE all the time, in fact I came to hate the game. So for me there would never be enough stud and omaha type games to make it worthwhile a few days overnight stay to play the APAT. The only place that now does those games is the WSOP - perhaps a trip to the WSOP if ever I get off my arse and inspired enough to play again and donk off £10-15k. I know that's a lot more than a few quid to reserve an APAT seat but I consider that deposit money being lost to be a bit of an insult.
The APAT was sometimes tempting but it just never had enough of those alternative games (not the dreaded open face thing) to break through my increasing apathy. APAT is a very commendable thing, and I hope you keep going, but I also hope you broaden the appeal with a few more stud or omaha type games, not fewer. I know that's the way it's gone, and that's the way it will keep going. God I hate holdem.
S11 announcement
soon
S11 announcement
Yay!!
soon
Awww
Hi Anthony,
I should take the first part of this question as I was (and continue to be) the biggest exponent of the reservation fee at APAT. I should explain why we do it.
For years we offered a free 'reserve a seat' feature through the forum and we always had a large percentage of reserving players (50% minimum) let us down on the day. That meant certain other players weren't coming to events because they believed we were sold out in advance. Remember, APAT isn't a local game, so it became a barrier to many to travel across country for a game, when a motorway delay might mean there aren't any seats left when you arrive.
So we added a reservation fee.
This increased the reliability of the system and allowed us to continue to offer the system. However, we didn't do this as a money making scheme - it helps a little, but is a relatively small income line.
We offered it alongside direct buy in via our online partner - which had no fees attached, not even a requirement to play online. We also continue to offer online sats and we continue to offer seats in advance via the venue and on the day if availability allows. We've tried to offer something for everyone. Paid and free.
Why don't we offer a refund?
It would become an admin nightmare and doing so would erode that small commitment that we ask members to make for this optional service, possibly increasing no shows again.
Why didn't we include it within the buyin?
Again, an admin nightmare that we're simply not resourced to manage well. Quality is very important to the team at APAT, if we can't do it well, we don't do it at all. Even if it means we make a small profit on the activity.
Plus it's fantastic in this day and age to be able to offer a single button on the APAT home page that will enable a new player to get a seat without needing to download stuff or worry about getting to the venue days early. That's what today's mobile users expect.
That and the tons of value like Vegas packages that we add. ;)
If you haven't experienced APAT before, then I'd encourage you to. In fact, I'd be happy to personally pay your reservation fees for an event or two so that you can see how good we are. PM me if you'd like to take me up on my offer.
ps - I pushed the multi format events for years also and am extremely proud of the schedule that Tom has put together for Manchester. We might well be the friendliest poker tour in the UK - I know we're the oldest - but that doesn't stop our players being very competitive and ensuring that we grow our non hold'em schedule is something that we'll continue to do. I think Tom will have some good news on that front in our S11 announcement, which I suspect is coming soon.
Cheers,
Des.
Have just read through the event details and I'm not 100% sure but the details for the Irish and Crazy Pineapple seem to be the same and if I remember rightly the Crazy Pineapple was just three cards last year , and not four ?
Could someone please confirm , thanks
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I can't find it anywhere...
Will Day 1 of the 6-Max be played over a predetermined number of blind levels or down to a certain number of runners ? With it being a 5pm start, capped at 84 runners and only a 10k stack, are there any circumstances under which it might be played to a conclusion on Day 1 ?
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I can't find it anywhere...
Will Day 1 of the 6-Max be played over a predetermined number of blind levels or down to a certain number of runners ? With it being a 5pm start, capped at 84 runners and only a 10k stack, are there any circumstances under which it might be played to a conclusion on Day 1 ?
Hi Ian, currently I expect Day 1 to complete around midnight-1am latest with 12 players returning for Day 2... depending on runners, if it looked like we could conclude the event by 1am then we'd have to give that serious consideration, but if def coming back for a Day 2, it would be with an absolute min of 6 players.
As someone who stopped playing poker last year after 16 years, I will make a few observations. I hope they are not considered too negative but for a start I will give the reasons I have never played an APAT event. A seat is not guaranteed unless you reserve one in advance, and then the reserve deposit is lost, not considered part of the buy in.
I love the old games rather than NLHE all the time, in fact I came to hate the game. So for me there would never be enough stud and omaha type games to make it worthwhile a few days overnight stay to play the APAT. The only place that now does those games is the WSOP - perhaps a trip to the WSOP if ever I get off my arse and inspired enough to play again and donk off £10-15k. I know that's a lot more than a few quid to reserve an APAT seat but I consider that deposit money being lost to be a bit of an insult.
The APAT was sometimes tempting but it just never had enough of those alternative games (not the dreaded open face thing) to break through my increasing apathy. APAT is a very commendable thing, and I hope you keep going, but I also hope you broaden the appeal with a few more stud or omaha type games, not fewer. I know that's the way it's gone, and that's the way it will keep going. God I hate holdem.
Anyone know what the usual poker schedule is for the Grosvenor?
Friday / Monday / Tuesday specifically.
Their website is zero help there.
Hey
i haven't reserved a seat for day 1a of the main event yet, and was just thinking of turning up and playing but wanted to check what's the player capacity and are you near this being filled through who has already reserved/directly bought in online?
Thanks
Lee
We'll have contact details for all individuals who buy in via G Holding Tanks, and next week I'll be sending them all info and will confirm the full schedule at the same time...
Hi
I bought in through the holding tanks but haven't received any info since.
You usually put up lists of people who have registered so far, but I can't find them.
Please could you put them up so people can check that we are definitely registered.
Thanks
Where are all the photos stored now, have they been migrated from APAT's picasaweb page ?
Where are all the photos stored now, have they been migrated from APAT's picasaweb page ?
Here Ian https://www.facebook.com/groups/APATPoker/photos/?filter=albums
I believe Google removed the Picasaweb facility... so we moved to FB....
As someone who stopped playing poker last year after 16 years, I will make a few observations. I hope they are not considered too negative but for a start I will give the reasons I have never played an APAT event. A seat is not guaranteed unless you reserve one in advance, and then the reserve deposit is lost, not considered part of the buy in.
I love the old games rather than NLHE all the time, in fact I came to hate the game. So for me there would never be enough stud and omaha type games to make it worthwhile a few days overnight stay to play the APAT. The only place that now does those games is the WSOP - perhaps a trip to the WSOP if ever I get off my arse and inspired enough to play again and donk off £10-15k. I know that's a lot more than a few quid to reserve an APAT seat but I consider that deposit money being lost to be a bit of an insult.
The APAT was sometimes tempting but it just never had enough of those alternative games (not the dreaded open face thing) to break through my increasing apathy. APAT is a very commendable thing, and I hope you keep going, but I also hope you broaden the appeal with a few more stud or omaha type games, not fewer. I know that's the way it's gone, and that's the way it will keep going. God I hate holdem.
This is precisely why you should come on Monday 10th and Tuesday 11th to play in our £2/£4 HORSE cash game, set to be played all day and all night, I hope!
I know if I bust the HORSE early on Wednesday I will be trying to get a third day of a HORSE cash game!
WHO'S WITH ME? ;D
By the way, I wouldn't look at APAT WCOAP Live as a "turn up, buy in" thing, but more something you plan to do every year.
Anyone know if there's still seats available in today's ROE?
Anyone know if there's still seats available in today's ROE?
There are Stephen