Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: LongshanksED on October 28, 2008, 21:38:48 PM
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http://www.donkeytest.com/index.html
bordering average 109
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106.
I don"t play NL ring games at all, though. Does this mean I should take them up!? Or not?! Er...
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pfffff, I"m starting to bleed through my eyes. This is a long test ... I"m sure I"m not going to be a donk though ...
It"s the first time in a long while I"ve gone on a foldfest ...
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After 1 hour of solid thinking ...
88
Hmmfff!
Played it too tight me thinx.
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I don"t need to take a test. The answer is yes.
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(http://img215.echo.cx/img215/5241/bouncingsmilie33nk5wp.gif)
Such an eejit -- 101
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After 1 hour of solid thinking ...
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1 hour!!!
You can"t expect me to concentrate for that long.
Can I just make up a number and pretend I did it?
What would be believable?
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After 1 hour of solid thinking ...
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1 hour!!!
You can"t expect me to concentrate for that long.
Can I just make up a number and pretend I did it?
What would be believable?
Or try posting a screen shot!
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll215/swinebag22/PokerIQ.jpg)
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I also paid the $10 for my full profile and got....
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll215/swinebag22/PokerIQ-1.jpg)
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That does actually look quite cool (all those pretty numbers), I might actually be tempted to do it this evening.
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96, is this good for a beginner...??
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If poker were a GCSE, 96/150 would be an easy pass...
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Who says what answer is correct and would make most profit in that 1 scenario?
And its online so it probably rigged.
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Who says what answer is correct and would make most profit in that 1 scenario?
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Like with any quiz online you have to trust their interpretation for it to be worthwhile.
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And its online so it probably rigged.
:D
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I was looking at it from many different angles. You have to assume that you"re playing within your Bankroll in the cash games and that the tourney questions don"t refer to rebuys. At least I think you do - maybe that"s why I only got 88.
I had a good logically thought out answer for each of the questions ... but it"s obv I AM a donkey!
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question 19
You"re in the BB. Blinds are $1/$2 and everyone at the table has $50,000 in front of them. It is folded to the button, who raises to $7 but accidentally turns over his cards in the process.
You see that he holds:
ac ad
He knows that you saw his hole cards. He did not see your hand. What range of hands should you call with? Which hands should you re-raise with?
Fold all hands.
Call with any two cards, and re-raise with KK, QQ, and JJ.
Call with any pair or suited connector.
Call with any two cards, do not re-raise with anything.
Call with any two cards, and re-raise only with KK.
Call with any two cards, and re-raise only with AA.
now the obviuos answer would be fold all hands
but the more i think of this - with a low raise and only $5 more to call surely theres an arguement for
Call with any two cards, do not re-raise with anything
especially when you have $50,000
when the flop comes then you can see if you have him cracked or not
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Thats the answer I gave LOL - probably makes me a donkey!!
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I"d agree with that, he knows you"ve seen his hand so you can bet any flop except an A high one and win the pot.
However you will only really ever win $7 from him.
So your calling for $5 to win $10 and you win the pot every time with a bet (in theory) its not got an ace or 3 to a flush for one of his aces.
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I answered the same so you three must be donkeys too! Either that or that was one of the very few I got correct.
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I"d call the TD over and have his hand killed.
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I don"t necessarily agree with "you will only really ever win $7 from him".
On the flop, if I paired the board, if 3 of same suit came down (which he doesn"t have the Ace of but I have at least one of), or if it came KKQ where I feel I can represent trips, or if any 40/60 or better chance presented itself, given that we"re deep stacked, I might play it aggressively knowing that he"s prob going to struggle to lay down this big a hand and that he"s going to be so confused by my call and totally unable to put me on a hand at any point.
But I"m a certified donkey!
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given the deep stacks, call with any 2. Thats what I put. How often would you expect him to fold his aces to aggression on the flop, given he knows that you know his hand??
I also think there may be potential to win more than $7.
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I don"t necessarily agree with "you will only really ever win $7 from him".
On the flop, if I paired the board, if 3 of same suit came down (which he doesn"t have the Ace of but I have at least one of), or if it came KKQ where I feel I can represent trips, or if any 40/60 or better chance presented itself, given that we"re deep stacked, I might play it aggressively knowing that he"s prob going to struggle to lay down this big a hand and that he"s going to be so confused by my call and totally unable to put me on a hand at any point.
But I"m a certified donkey!
My point was this:
If I knew that you knew I had AA and you call preflop then lead out at any board I have to assume I"m beaten and fold and this is probably true for 99% of players. Thats why i think you only win $7.
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... so you"d lay down AA to any bet on the flop ... ? Boy, you"re tight!
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I also answered to call with any two. On any flop without an Ace you could raise him, representing a set or two pair, and take your foot off the accelerator if he comes back at you, depending on his style of play. There may even be an argument for calling when you"re behind on the flop, given that he knows you saw his cards, he may think you are trying to trap him. He might then check the turn, giving you a free ride to the river.
If you do end up ahead, you could trap him for a fair bit if he can"t lay those aces down, so the implied odds are pretty good.
Of course, if the flop has an Ace, and you haven"t got your flush or whatever, then you just lay it down. You lose $7 in this case. Stick the other $49,993 on a horse and call it a day!
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... so you"d lay down AA to any bet on the flop ... ? Boy, you"re tight!
You have to in most cases if you know he has seen them surely ???
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I know it"s all hypothetical and most unlikely you"ll be sitting with $50k and playing $1/$2 blinds, but wouldn"t you be slightly curious what I"d called a PF raise against AA with? There would have to be a bit of you surely that would think I"m doin" it for sh!ts and giggles?
Say the flop comes Ad8d5d giving you trips, are you still gonna fold to my bet of $12 into a $15 pot with $50,000 behind?
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all this talk of what you would do or how much youve won is irrelevant
he knows that i know he has aces so basically your only playing yourself
if you"ve cracked aces then you bet -if he re raises you to test you, you go all in and prove that he"s beat (he could always hit trips on the turn or river too)
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I know it"s all hypothetical and most unlikely you"ll be sitting with $50k and playing $1/$2 blinds, but wouldn"t you be slightly curious what I"d called a PF raise against AA with? There would have to be a bit of you surely that would think I"m doin" it for sh!ts and giggles?
Say the flop comes Ad8d5d giving you trips, are you still gonna fold to my bet of $12 into a $15 pot with $50,000 behind?
If this is the case you think the answer is fold all then?
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Erm, no. I"m answering the same; call with any two, do not reraise.
Oh it"s so hypothetical and unrealistic that thinking back on what I had in here previously is making my head hurt.
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99 here. Not to bad for a hopeful 18 year old lol :)
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sat and worked through the first half dozen answers by examining my thought processes and trying to imagine real life scenarios, then realised that at a rate of 6 question per 20 mins I would be there forever so went on a mad clickfest and just answered by first instinct. Bored now.
Scored 98 - corroborating any rumours that I"m a complete fish
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I got 110, but I thought in poker there were no right answers.
Surely if everybody could learn these things and answer qusetions or respond to theoretical situations like these "correctly", then poker would just be about the hand you are dealt and if your luck can hold up?
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100 for me
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interesting test:- hurt my brain a bit but thats no surprise!!!!
results as follows:-
Your General Poker IQ Score is 115 and shows how skilled you are in general.
Your Positional Play score of 106.
Your Blinds score of 108.
Your Tournament Play score of 143.
Your Big Pairs score of 77.
Your Small and Medium Pairs score of 113.
Your Bluffing score of 111.
Your Flop Texture score of 97.
Your Pot Odds score of 117.
Your Logic score of 101.
Your Betting Patterns score of 102.
Your Hand selection score of 118.
Your Aggression score of 103.
Your Computational Speed score of 125.
well think that confirms that i enjoy playing tourneys more than cash.. and seem to do better in them anyway. I was aware that i tend to overplay my big prs and dont think about the flop enough. but i am trying to get better at those aspects of my game anyway....
wont be calling an all in with my trip Qs on river when there is a boat out there eh lukybugur !!
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wont be calling an all in with my trip Qs on river when there is a boat out there eh lukybugur !!
I"m hearin u Kenn! Hope you"re well.
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??? just received an email stating my score as 101 ???
take it that is an average over all the above scores then........
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with no maths involved...but on what id do now if i was playing the hand for "real" 89
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IQ Score Skill Level
60 - 74 Donkey (Expected to lose quickly in all games)
75 - 89 Donator (Expected to lose in all games)
90 - 109 Average Player
(Expected to lose slowly in raked games, break even in homegames)
110 - 119 Low Stakes Winner (Wins at 100 NL and lower)
120 - 129 Medium Stakes Cash Pro / Tournament Pro
(Wins at 200-600 NL and tournament poker)
130 - 144 High Stakes Pro (Wins at 1K NL+)
145 - 159 Poker Genius
with no maths involved...but on what id do now if i was playing the hand for "real" 89
:o
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A 2month enforced sabatical from poker and I return to this....scored 127!!!! sweet!
;D
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IQ Score Skill Level
60 - 74 Donkey (Expected to lose quickly in all games)
75 - 89 Donator (Expected to lose in all games)
90 - 109 Average Player
(Expected to lose slowly in raked games, break even in homegames)
110 - 119 Low Stakes Winner (Wins at 100 NL and lower)
120 - 129 Medium Stakes Cash Pro / Tournament Pro
(Wins at 200-600 NL and tournament poker)
130 - 144 High Stakes Pro (Wins at 1K NL+)
145 - 159 Poker Genius
with no maths involved...but on what id do now if i was playing the hand for "real" 89
:o
one-off average.....did rush it too...I"d be confidnet to hit average if tried it properly...work to be done.. which i knew already..never claimed to be anything else
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112 and glad I don"t play cash very often, some painful folds in there.
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IQ Score Skill Level
60 - 74 Donkey (Expected to lose quickly in all games)
75 - 89 Donator (Expected to lose in all games)
90 - 109 Average Player
(Expected to lose slowly in raked games, break even in homegames)
110 - 119 Low Stakes Winner (Wins at 100 NL and lower)
120 - 129 Medium Stakes Cash Pro / Tournament Pro
(Wins at 200-600 NL and tournament poker)
130 - 144 High Stakes Pro (Wins at 1K NL+)
145 - 159 Poker Genius
with no maths involved...but on what id do now if i was playing the hand for "real" 89
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or are you saying i shouldn"t be on this forum..as its only for better classed players....i come here, read and learn...donkey i maybe..but too highlight it.... >:(
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i never said a thing :)
better class player?? err no
the test is a bit of fun,take it that way..
i apologize if you were offended :(
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i never said a thing :)
better class player?? err no
the test is a bit of fun,take it that way..
i apologize if you were offended :(
no offence taken...i did take the test as a bit of fun...as I couldn"t do it properly as i certainly dont have the knowledge of the maths nailed down enough to get a proper view on my poker for such a test..
i had a bad day yesterday..shouldn"t have read it again and certainly not replied....no harm done..moving on!
other than super series and harrington....any hints on books, forums to get the edge on maths, ?...we could call it quits then .... ;)
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forget maths for now that will come with experience , just learn the basics , flush draws,straight draws,odds to hit set etc etc
Super system is still good for learning sound fundamentals.
John Vorhaus books good for learning about yourself and your poker goals,he does the killer poker series.These books help you explore how you think and feel about your game and how your moods etc affect you and your game.Killer poker:strategy and tactics is a good one to start with,in it he generally gives you exercises and questions to help you understand how you play and view others.
Theory of poker by sklansky [still stands the test of time]
Forums - here ok , you get varied opinions. ;D
2+2 although just read posts for a couple of weeks to get a general idea of questions to ask,then try to be as active as possible in the threads and your knowledge will come on in leaps and bounds.
PokerXfactor - very good training site for mtts and sngs,plenty of quality videos by articulate instructors who know what they are talking about.Also a handy replayer to download your hand histories into and review you can also ask on pxf forum the pros questions on hands you"ve played or ones they have played in the videos that you have watched [ask about any concept your not sure about] Also the videos are by different style players so you can relate your own game with some and the others like say belowabove give you a good insight into how effective very loose lag style is if used properly.
If your really intrested in the maths and probability in poker then Ross, Sheldon. (2006) A First Course in Probability is the one.......(Sixth International edition) Pearson. Library reference: 512.73 ROS
This is a highly recommended book on probability. It has a beautiful presentation of theory and lots of exercises. Unfortunately, it is rather expensive to buy so look at the library copies first.Its heavy going though,or books by bill chen are ok.
site good for reference - http://probability.infarom.ro/gambling.html
just select the odds tab.
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forget maths for now that will come with experience , just learn the basics , flush draws,straight draws,odds to hit set etc etc
Super system is still good for learning sound fundamentals.
John Vorhaus books good for learning about yourself and your poker goals,he does the killer poker series.These books help you explore how you think and feel about your game and how your moods etc affect you and your game.Killer poker:strategy and tactics is a good one to start with,in it he generally gives you exercises and questions to help you understand how you play and view others.
Theory of poker by sklansky [still stands the test of time]
Forums - here ok , you get varied opinions. ;D
2+2 although just read posts for a couple of weeks to get a general idea of questions to ask,then try to be as active as possible in the threads and your knowledge will come on in leaps and bounds.
PokerXfactor - very good training site for mtts and sngs,plenty of quality videos by articulate instructors who know what they are talking about.Also a handy replayer to download your hand histories into and review you can also ask on pxf forum the pros questions on hands you"ve played or ones they have played in the videos that you have watched [ask about any concept your not sure about] Also the videos are by different style players so you can relate your own game with some and the others like say belowabove give you a good insight into how effective very loose lag style is if used properly.
If your really intrested in the maths and probability in poker then Ross, Sheldon. (2006) A First Course in Probability is the one.......(Sixth International edition) Pearson. Library reference: 512.73 ROS
This is a highly recommended book on probability. It has a beautiful presentation of theory and lots of exercises. Unfortunately, it is rather expensive to buy so look at the library copies first.Its heavy going though,or books by bill chen are ok.
site good for reference - http://probability.infarom.ro/gambling.html
just select the odds tab.
superb...thank-you very much. looks like you have put in a lot of work to found out this stuff, so I"ll ensure it isn"t wasted
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Yes, I agree
noble1 for forum post of the year!!