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Title: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: antthecat on January 26, 2009, 14:11:02 PM
i have put this on my blog but ill post my question here aswell, read this and post your opinion what should have happened:

i had  6h 5h and limped on the small blind, big checked, the flop  6s 8d qd, i fire a half pot bet and got called, the turn was  kc, i check and he does, the river was the  ts, i check and he bets, i call and he shows only the   ad, i show my hand and start to rake the pot when he goes "hold on ive got a ten", moves the ace and reveals the  td, i called for a ruling but everyone at the table said carry on, should i have won that hand or was i wrong, please let me know your opinion or does anyone knows the exact ruling?

it appears to me that he showed ace high as his hand and i thought my pair was winning, this is why im asking for your help as i was disgusted with it. it was not poker, it felt like cheating
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: RioRodent on January 26, 2009, 14:25:08 PM
He had the best hand, it is his pot... whether or not he is a bit of a **** for the way he revealed the hand is irrelevant - the cards speak.

**** = k n o b

Bloody nanny state!

;)
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: Swinebag on January 26, 2009, 14:34:36 PM

He had the best hand, it is his pot... whether or not he is a bit of a **** for the way he revealed the hand is irrelevant - the cards speak.


This

When you call his river bet, you are paying to see both his cards, so you can demand to see them whther he has the best hand or not
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: kinboshi on January 26, 2009, 14:46:27 PM
His pot, but not good etiquette on his behalf.  For some reason many live players delight in taking an eternity to turn their cards over - or they turn them over one at a time.

If it"s a showdown, you must be there for a reason, and there"s no need to be embarrassed about your cards, so show them if it"s your turn to show.  
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: Jon MW on January 26, 2009, 14:56:44 PM

He had the best hand, it is his pot... whether or not he is a bit of a **** for the way he revealed the hand is irrelevant - the cards speak.

**** = k n o b

Bloody nanny state!

;)


auto censor is a kn0b imo
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: antthecat on January 26, 2009, 16:17:02 PM
i understand but he show the ace as "is this winning?" to see what i had first, if he showed both cards i would have said nice hand and got on with it and mucked my hand but if he asked then i would have shown both cards happily as i was in the lead until the river, anothe question, we were heads up so why didnt he raise with a10 suited due to my weak call???
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: 5 High on January 26, 2009, 16:32:21 PM
the answer to both is he is a ****, but theres no way u win
even if he said "you win" then shows his hand, the cards speak
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: mal666 on January 26, 2009, 16:36:04 PM
why didnt you pot the turn?
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: rubertoe on January 26, 2009, 16:52:11 PM

why didnt you pot the turn?


This!

Also as his hand didnt touch the muck - Not dead + he wins the pot!

It was a bit of a slow roll though
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: WarBwastardo on January 26, 2009, 16:58:42 PM
He slow-rolled you, which just isn"t cricket, but he had the best hand.  
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: WarBwastardo on January 26, 2009, 17:01:11 PM

i understand but he show the ace as "is this winning?" to see what i had first, if he showed both cards i would have said nice hand and got on with it and mucked my hand but if he asked then i would have shown both cards happily as i was in the lead until the river, anothe question, we were heads up so why didnt he raise with a10 suited due to my weak call???


Probably didn"t raise to add a bit deception to his game and so he could slow roll you later when he makes a pair of tens.  ;)
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: WYoung83 on January 26, 2009, 19:02:29 PM
getting slow-rolled has to be up there with getting busted on a bad beat, or goning broke on the bubble, absoutlely sick.

The worst slowroll iv recived online was on Blue Sq when i pushed all in pre with 66, and the BB starts typing in the chat box "lol, ty, ty" waits for the clock to almost run down and calls and shows aces.....sick.
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: CrizzyConnor on January 26, 2009, 20:45:24 PM
The best slowroll ever happened to me a while back online...

Can"t remember exact line but the board was a rainbow at the turn and I thought my pocket 9"s were good and go all in for what wasn"t too much. We had a bit of history so know the guy was slowrolling, anyway he waits until his timer is down to one second then calls with his pocket Aces only for me to hit a third 9 on the river.

Magic  ;D
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: antthecat on January 26, 2009, 22:45:53 PM
ive played this bloke a few times so the call means a queen so i decided to call it a day with the hand, i called the river and the story has been told, i had a chat today with the bloke and he didnt mean to slow roll at all, he thought he showed the ten first and was worried what we had, still should have hit him lol. it just annoyed me also the fact that the rest of the table didnt bother to stop for a ruling/opinion but that was ages ago(slept since then) and said player has reassured both cards will be shown(he does play a bit and i believe him) so thank you for your opinions and facts and it will be stored in the memory bank for the next time(in my home game a slow roll is now a offence that if using the slow roll method, your hand regardless if its winning will be muckedand the other opponents win the pot)
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: RioRodent on January 27, 2009, 10:17:33 AM

(in my home game a slow roll is now a offence that if using the slow roll method, your hand regardless if its winning will be muckedand the other opponents win the pot)


Not interested in getting one, standard, set of rules and playing to them then?  >:(
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: antthecat on January 27, 2009, 13:48:37 PM
nah i was joking but your hand will be slapped lol
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: Baldus New on January 27, 2009, 16:23:50 PM
Ant, I"m surprised you had as good a hand as a pair of 6"s.

Your game must be improving mate!!!!!!

See you in Walsall.

8d 7d
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: texfitz on January 27, 2009, 22:30:25 PM
what were the blind levels, chip stacks, ppl on table ?
you made up with suited connectors, were there any limpers ?
FLOP - u out of position, half pot bet, he calls waiting to see how previous limpers react, if all call then more chips from limpers. I"m assuming it"s heads up by now
TURN - u check (hey u scared of the Q so he checks)
RIVER - u check again, so he sticks a bet in, and you call with bottom pair  ???
OK he slow-rolled you but the cards speak, you VOLUNTARILY put chips in the pot and he beat you.
standard play :-
1. what"s he doing in the hand after the flop ?
2. what are you doing in the hand AFTER the TURN

Then the slow-rolling, and you ask for a ruling. Best hand won, shuffle up and deal next hand
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: antthecat on January 28, 2009, 00:03:07 AM
cant wait to see you too andy, it will be a pleasure. on the slow roll ive got the answers so thank you for all your posts on the subject. i know the hand won but it was the fact that the time it took for him to declare his ten was a bit of a pain in the backside but he appologised monday night and a lesson learnt. i only asked as i thought there might be a rule on declaring a hand that was all. thanks again for your replies.
Title: Re: slow rolling opinion or ruling
Post by: Baldus New on January 28, 2009, 09:07:58 AM
See you at the bar in Walsall Ant. 

8d 7d