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Poker Forum => Live Poker => Topic started by: Honeybadg on February 05, 2009, 12:41:54 PM
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... I had a quick look at the briefing and the weather ...
Is it really likely to finish at 10pm on the Sunday? Is that sensible.
Weather forecast = black cloud and double snow.
I am happy to say this gives me no issues ... but would prefer to get home on Sunday night.
I look forward to comments.
Louis
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Heavy snow is predicted for that area all day sunday and the evening. Not going home til Monday tho if its like that
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... yeah I think I will take the same view ... given everyone is onsite ... is the 2.30pm start an immovable feast?
Early kick off might be good ... as this will be my debut ... do these things normally run to 10pm ... what is the range of finishing times?
Louis
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2:30 is the start time. Starting any earlier would add administration costs, heating costs, etc to the casino in question.
I don"t believe anyone could seriously expect the schedule to be changed on the off chance of a bit of snow.
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I like Honeybags positive thinking though, I will make the second day! Now if I can just make it to the dinner break. :)
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... admin costs - fair play - that was the answer I was after.
Not too bothered by the snow - but going by London"s reaction - it doesn"t look like the infrastucture does hold up.
4 inches of snow and not a bus ran in the Capital on Monday morning - joke.
Positive thinking ... not much point showing up if you don"t think you have a chance to make the money!
Watch me get outdrawn on Level 1 ...
L
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Got to admit that the way this country appears to fall apart when 6 inches of snow falls is rather pathetic.
If I were you I"d forget about the snow and concentrate on getting to day 2 - my own personal record on that score is zero from 8 attempts :D
Good luck.
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... perhaps the wheels will fall off ... but I had a pretty decent record when I used to play £30 re-buys at the Vic ... same sort of stake (once you reach the freezeout) ... maybe a wider mixture of opponents (and a quicker structure) ... I recall playing Joe Grech on one the final table ... I was 3rd ... he was 2nd ... next week he won $244k ... handy ...
Is it the case that day 1 will be played until we have the 20 money winners ...
L
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It"s usually played down to 20 players on day 1, and I"m sure Des will be aiming for that number in Walsall.
Because the structure has changed slightly for season 3; antes, 5 min increase to each level, and the addition of a level, there are a few uncertainties. I don"t think the finishing times will be that much different to previous seasons, though.
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It"s usually played down to 20 players on day 1, and I"m sure Des will be aiming for that number in Walsall.
Because the structure has changed slightly for season 3; antes, 5 min increase to each level, and the addition of a level, there are a few uncertainties. I don"t think the finishing times will be that much different to previous seasons, though.
Not for us Ian.
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Got to admit that the way this country appears to fall apart when 6 inches of snow falls is rather pathetic.
If I were you I"d forget about the snow and concentrate on getting to day 2 - my own personal record on that score is zero from 8 attempts :D
Good luck.
Bit off topic but what should we do? Spend millions and millions on snow equipment so when it does snow for a week every 19 years we"re prepared? Yes snow brings us to a standstill but I"d rather that for a few days than spend £££"s of money on equipment that"ll hardly be used
Besides I wouldn"t have been snowed in today! :D
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It"s usually played down to 20 players on day 1, and I"m sure Des will be aiming for that number in Walsall.
Because the structure has changed slightly for season 3; antes, 5 min increase to each level, and the addition of a level, there are a few uncertainties. I don"t think the finishing times will be that much different to previous seasons, though.
Not for us Ian.
See you both in the bar by 7pm. ;D
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Got to admit that the way this country appears to fall apart when 6 inches of snow falls is rather pathetic.
If I were you I"d forget about the snow and concentrate on getting to day 2 - my own personal record on that score is zero from 8 attempts :D
Good luck.
Bit off topic but what should we do? Spend millions and millions on snow equipment so when it does snow for a week every 19 years we"re prepared? Yes snow brings us to a standstill but I"d rather that for a few days than spend £££"s of money on equipment that"ll hardly be used
Besides I wouldn"t have been snowed in today! :D
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Got to admit that the way this country appears to fall apart when 6 inches of snow falls is rather pathetic.
If I were you I"d forget about the snow and concentrate on getting to day 2 - my own personal record on that score is zero from 8 attempts :D
Good luck.
Bit off topic but what should we do? Spend millions and millions on snow equipment so when it does snow for a week every 19 years we"re prepared? Yes snow brings us to a standstill but I"d rather that for a few days than spend £££"s of money on equipment that"ll hardly be used
Besides I wouldn"t have been snowed in today! :D
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It"s not millions of pounds worth of new equipment needed, it"s a bit of common sense from the people who run this country. It"s not just unexpected snow fall that renders the country inoperable. It"s any weather more turbulent than how it feels in Debenhams. It rains here pretty much every day for example and yet we all nearly drowned a couple of years ago because all our towns are built on floodplains.
We"re just sh*t as a nation at dealing with things.
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Got to admit that the way this country appears to fall apart when 6 inches of snow falls is rather pathetic.
If I were you I"d forget about the snow and concentrate on getting to day 2 - my own personal record on that score is zero from 8 attempts :D
Good luck.
Bit off topic but what should we do? Spend millions and millions on snow equipment so when it does snow for a week every 19 years we"re prepared? Yes snow brings us to a standstill but I"d rather that for a few days than spend £££"s of money on equipment that"ll hardly be used
Besides I wouldn"t have been snowed in today! :D
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It"s not millions of pounds worth of new equipment needed, it"s a bit of common sense from the people who run this country. It"s not just unexpected snow fall that renders the country inoperable. It"s any weather more turbulent than how it feels in Debenhams. It rains here pretty much every day for example and yet we all nearly drowned a couple of years ago because all our towns are built on floodplains.
We"re just sh*t as a nation at dealing with things.
How is common sense going to clear snow from our roads?
Having spent most of my career involved with winter events I can assure you that millions would be needed to deal with this level of snowfall.
If you think we are bad then you need to travel more.
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Got to admit that the way this country appears to fall apart when 6 inches of snow falls is rather pathetic.
If I were you I"d forget about the snow and concentrate on getting to day 2 - my own personal record on that score is zero from 8 attempts :D
Good luck.
Bit off topic but what should we do? Spend millions and millions on snow equipment so when it does snow for a week every 19 years we"re prepared? Yes snow brings us to a standstill but I"d rather that for a few days than spend £££"s of money on equipment that"ll hardly be used
Besides I wouldn"t have been snowed in today! :D
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It"s not millions of pounds worth of new equipment needed, it"s a bit of common sense from the people who run this country. It"s not just unexpected snow fall that renders the country inoperable. It"s any weather more turbulent than how it feels in Debenhams. It rains here pretty much every day for example and yet we all nearly drowned a couple of years ago because all our towns are built on floodplains.
We"re just sh*t as a nation at dealing with things.
How is common sense going to clear snow from our roads?
Having spent most of my career involved with winter events I can assure you that millions would be needed to deal with this level of snowfall.
If you think we are bad then you need to travel more.
It"s not just this level of snow that grinds the country to a halt and I have traveled.
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With apologies to the original poster for the obvious hijacking of this thread, I have to ask a question.
I live in the South Pennines, I"ve lived here for 42 years, I grew up here, I went to school here, we have things called hills.
When I was younger we had proper winters, snow such as we"ve had lately were not every 18 or 19 year events, they were pretty much yearly events. Since the onset of global warming the amount of snow has tailed off somewhat, all I seem to remember in the last 10 years is more rain.
Anyway, during my school days and all the snow we experienced, not once were any of the schools I went to shut. Yet this week, every school in this area was shut - Why ? What"s changed since I was at school ?
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With apologies to the original poster for the obvious hijacking of this thread, I have to ask a question.
I live in the South Pennines, I"ve lived here for 42 years, I grew up here, I went to school here, we have things called hills.
When I was younger we had proper winters, snow such as we"ve had lately were not every 18 or 19 year events, they were pretty much yearly events. Since the onset of global warming the amount of snow has tailed off somewhat, all I seem to remember in the last 10 years is more rain.
Anyway, during my school days and all the snow we experienced, not once were any of the schools I went to shut. Yet this week, every school in this area was shut - Why ? What"s changed since I was at school ?
The Health and Safety Executive is a much bigger department now.
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I don"t know how much had changed but people who are comparing our coping mechanisms with those who have a lot more snowfall than us are just plain ignorent. Im sure if we were prepared adequately with snow mobiles and trains which blow snow off the track that those same people would be complaining about the cost to the tax payer!
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I was North of Boston in the good old US of A about 3 years ago, and we must have had about 3 feet of snow overnight, by 10am all the main roads were clear, and all schools and businesses were open. And a great days skiing was had by all. As George said they were prepared and had mechanisms in place, but we are really c**p at anything out of the ordinary in this country.
Conversley I was in Sarasota this summer, when there was a hurricane alert, and we were actually on voluntary evacuation, okay it was a bit breezy, but talk about over reaction! The next day the whole area closed down, and honestly it was no worse than a windy day in Yorkshire!
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I was North of Boston in the good old US of A about 3 years ago, and we must have had about 3 feet of snow overnight, by 10am all the main roads were clear, and all schools and businesses were open. And a great days skiing was had by all. As George said they were prepared and had mechanisms in place, but we are really c**p at anything out of the ordinary in this country.
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The point is Boston regularly has a lot of snow, so it"s cost effective for them to invest in the technology and manpower to clear it quick. It just wouldn"t be worth the money for us to spend that much.
The very fact that they got 3 feet of snow to start with highlights the difference.
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As I said "they were prepared and had mechanisms in place"
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OK so should we have mechanisms in place for every weather eventuality??? Obviously they cleared the roads and had the equipment to do so cos it"s a common occurance. Snow here isn"t- and if it is it usually doesn"t settle long enough for the roads etc to be a problem
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Since when does our Government concern itself with cost effectiveness? They spent about a billion pounds on a Dome so we could have a millennium party...that"s a once in thousand year event. They can"t wait to get up in the morning and waste money. How much does the UK economy lose because of this sort of thing? All the disruption costs miwyans and miwyans, so it might make sense to invest money in contingency plans to prevent an even greater losses because no one can get to work, or can"t do any work when they get there. Bit of forward would be nice is all I"m saying. You can guarantee that if this occurs next winter it"ll be the same chaos. Chaos I tells ya. Morris dancing everywhere there"ll be.
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What"s changed since I was at school ?
1. better teachers....especially maths ones
2. no more free milk
3. No more corporal punishment
4. No more headmasters or headmistresses...just headteachers
5. No more jackets with patches on the elbows
6. No more blackboards
7. You dont need to take your gasmask with you to school
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Since when does our Government concern itself with cost effectiveness? They spent about a billion pounds on a Dome so we could have a millennium party...that"s a once in thousand year event. They can"t wait to get up in the morning and waste money. How much does the UK economy lose because of this sort of thing? All the disruption costs miwyans and miwyans, so it might make sense to invest money in contingency plans to prevent an even greater losses because no one can get to work, or can"t do any work when they get there. Bit of forward would be nice is all I"m saying. You can guarantee that if this occurs next winter it"ll be the same chaos. Chaos I tells ya. Morris dancing everywhere there"ll be.
What is it exactly that you are proposing to deal with these snow events?
It"s very easy to criticise but much harder to make a difference. The longest shift I have done when dealing with an event of this nature was 26hours straight. Not once in that time did anybody say thanks but I took 1000"s of call from people wanting their street cleared NOW!
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What"s changed since I was at school ?
1. better teachers....especially maths ones
2. no more free milk
3. No more corporal punishment
4. No more headmasters or headmistresses...just headteachers
5. No more jackets with patches on the elbows
6. No more blackboards
7. You dont need to take your gasmask with you to school
1. better teachers
[X] Debatable
2. no more free milk
[ ] Progress
3. No more corporal punishment
[ ] Progress
4. No more headmasters or headmistresses...just headteachers
[ ] Progress
5. No more jackets with patches on the elbows
[X] Progress
6. No more blackboards
[ ] Progress
7. You dont need to take your gasmask with you to school
[X] Depends who you sit next to!
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Since when does our Government concern itself with cost effectiveness? They spent about a billion pounds on a Dome so we could have a millennium party...that"s a once in thousand year event. They can"t wait to get up in the morning and waste money. How much does the UK economy lose because of this sort of thing? All the disruption costs miwyans and miwyans, so it might make sense to invest money in contingency plans to prevent an even greater losses because no one can get to work, or can"t do any work when they get there. Bit of forward would be nice is all I"m saying. You can guarantee that if this occurs next winter it"ll be the same chaos. Chaos I tells ya. Morris dancing everywhere there"ll be.
What is it exactly that you are proposing to deal with these snow events?
It"s very easy to criticise but much harder to make a difference. The longest shift I have done when dealing with an event of this nature was 26hours straight. Not once in that time did anybody say thanks but I took 1000"s of call from people wanting their street cleared NOW!
What do you do?
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Bit off topic but what should we do? Spend millions and millions on snow equipment so when it does snow for a week every 19 years we"re prepared? Yes snow brings us to a standstill but I"d rather that for a few days than spend £££"s of money on equipment that"ll hardly be used
Besides I wouldn"t have been snowed in today! :D
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I thought that"s what this country has been doing all these years????
But not on its hard working citizen"s unlike me LOL!!!
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... I am hugely encouraged but this ... too much poker is just monotonous talk of how someone shouldn"t have slowed played Aces ...
Bravo ...
I think the biggest fact in the chaos was that the snow fell on Sunday night ... and everyone from the council was relishing the day off on Monday ...
Louis
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So just cos the government waste money let"s find one more way to by purchasing loads of snow equipment when it rarely snows?
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So just cos the government waste money let"s find one more way to by purchasing loads of snow equipment when it rarely snows?
I have several for sale at the moment if anyone has a few million to spend.
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So just cos the government waste money let"s find one more way to by purchasing loads of snow equipment when it rarely snows?
Well millions and millions spent on something that occurs once a year is better than the £3billion pounds that it"s cost the economy already. It"s more than just buying snow ploughs though isn"t it, it"s just a tendency not to bother preparing for anything in this country and just dealing with them after the damage has been caused. It"s always the same speech. Economic issues, adverse weather, whatever it is...the circumstances are always unprecedented, they could not have foreseen such things, it"s not our fault etc.
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So you"re saying that the money we would have spent on equipment and maintaining replacing that equipment over the last 20 odd years and obviously maintaining AFTER this snow has passed will be less than the money we"ve lost due to a wekk of snow?
I think you"ll find you"re wrong.
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There"s no business like snow business, like no business I know.
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... if you buy enough snow ploughs you may stimulate the economy ... we can become world leaders in the technology for our 1 in 18 year event ... and sell to the world due to our hopeless currency ...
Or we can lower interest rates every month!
L
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Wow really strong views here. Me no problem - got Monday off... nice
went to work Tuesday - not nice
had brought computer home Tuesday so Wednesday got to work at home - very nice, hot cuppas, and slippers :)
Walsall hubby and I will be there, even if Richard has to walk and drag me on a sledge (notice I didnt say I was walking ;D )
Hotel is paid for and non-refundable so no way we"re missing this and I"m sure all the motorways will be well gritted and cleared.
See you all there.
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So just cos the government waste money let"s find one more way to by purchasing loads of snow equipment when it rarely snows?
Well millions and millions spent on something that occurs once a year is better than the £3billion pounds that it"s cost the economy already. It"s more than just buying snow ploughs though isn"t it, it"s just a tendency not to bother preparing for anything in this country and just dealing with them after the damage has been caused. It"s always the same speech. Economic issues, adverse weather, whatever it is...the circumstances are always unprecedented, they could not have foreseen such things, it"s not our fault etc.
So, remind me of your proposals?
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So you"re saying that the money we would have spent on equipment and maintaining replacing that equipment over the last 20 odd years and obviously maintaining AFTER this snow has passed will be less than the money we"ve lost due to a wekk of snow?
I think you"ll find you"re wrong.
This has become snow-plough navel-gazing. It"s not just this one week of snow is it, this isn"t the first time we"ve come to a stand still because of snow. So over the past twenty years I would argue that we"ve lost more money through not being prepared, than we would have lost through having better equipment and engineering a better culture of preparedness. Is that a word? It is now. It"s not just about snow ploughs. I"m talking about a wider concern which is the lack of forethought in anything.
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Examples?
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Examples?
Of a lack of forethought? The economy? Coping with the weather - all weather. Our education system? Law enforcement? The NHS? Transport networks? Foreign policy disasters...remember the invasion of Iraq? Just off the top of my head there"s a few examples.
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So you"re saying that the money we would have spent on equipment and maintaining replacing that equipment over the last 20 odd years and obviously maintaining AFTER this snow has passed will be less than the money we"ve lost due to a wekk of snow?
I think you"ll find you"re wrong.
This has become snow-plough navel-gazing. It"s not just this one week of snow is it, this isn"t the first time we"ve come to a stand still because of snow. So over the past twenty years I would argue that we"ve lost more money through not being prepared, than we would have lost through having better equipment and engineering a better culture of preparedness. Is that a word? It is now. It"s not just about snow ploughs. I"m talking about a wider concern which is the lack of forethought in anything.
Do you have any idea of the costs involved for this equipment? what do you mean by "better" equipment. Are you aware of the current systems that are in place?
Regarding "forethought", lets say it going to snow 3 weeks on Thursday. What exactly are you going to do to deal with the problem that will cause?
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Examples?
Of a lack of forethought? The economy? Coping with the weather - all weather. Our education system? Law enforcement? The NHS? Transport networks? Foreign policy disasters...remember the invasion of Iraq? Just off the top of my head there"s a few examples.
and you would ....???
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... grit the roads the day before?
That is all it would have taken ...
Not spend Billions on Invading "axis of evil countries" ...
L
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... grit the roads the day before?
That is all it would have taken ...
Actually, gritting the roads the day before wouldn"t have kept the roads clear alone. Traffic is what keeps road clear, snow will settle on gritted roads as easily as ungritted ones.
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Examples?
Of a lack of forethought? The economy? Coping with the weather - all weather. Our education system? Law enforcement? The NHS? Transport networks? Foreign policy disasters...remember the invasion of Iraq? Just off the top of my head there"s a few examples.
and you would ....???
It"s not a fair question is it. I"m a bloke in Oxford, I"m not in a positiont o draw up a budget and offer you with a specific strategy for dealing with anything. I"m not a Government minister with an annual budget of billions or a city councillor. But that doesn"t mean I can"t recognise or criticise incompetence when I see it. There"s a lack of common sense in how we approach things in this country that is there for all to see. I judge it by comparing how we deal with circumstances with how other countries cope. Not just as far as weather goes...you"re focusing on that as it"s obviously relevant to your work, but I"m talking about the bigger picture. It"s not personal even though you appear to be taking it personally.
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... I am defo going to steal your blinds for that one ...
Smile
L
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In Japan they don"t grit the roads at all.
Which is why buying a Japanese import is often a good idea, as the car will be in far better nick than one of the same age that has "grown up" in the UK.
This is irrelevant to the debate, but interesting nevertheless.
In Scandinavia they don"t use grit, instead they use a salt solution - effectively brine. This has the benefit of working through multiple freezes and thaws, which grit isn"t particularly good against. Anyone remember the problems in Brum about 5 or 6 years ago? It snowed, they gritted, it then thawed - froze very quickly and snowed again. The grit was ineffective against the conditions and so the city"s roads were at a standstill.
Again, probably irrelevant, but interesting.
I do have a question though. How does the bloke who drives the snow plough get into work?
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Examples?
Of a lack of forethought? The economy? Coping with the weather - all weather. Our education system? Law enforcement? The NHS? Transport networks? Foreign policy disasters...remember the invasion of Iraq? Just off the top of my head there"s a few examples.
lol nice to see your being specific
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Snow plough drivers live in their trucks ...
I should have said salt the roads with some form of brine ... what a mix up ...
L
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Think I might have answered my own question of what the difference is between snow events 30 years ago and today........ traffic.
It"s all very well plowing and gritting roads, but without the traffic to flow freely along those roads, snow will continue to settle.
30 years ago, there were not as many cars on the road, much easier for traffic to continue moving. Today, with so much traffic on the road, congestion and slow moving traffic causes the very problems that the gritting is attempting to alleviate. The result, in extreme cases, is that cars are abondoned, making it even more difficult to keep roads open.
I think the bottom line is that we don"t have the road network to handle the number of cars now on the road. Maybe we need to rethink our love affair with the motor car ?
Going to lie down now......... :D
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By the way folks, here just north-east of Brum the main roads are completely clear. Not sure what it"s like near Walsall, but I can"t imagine it"s much different. So unless we get more snow, there shouldn"t be a problem at this end of your journey.
Probably.
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Think I might have answered my own question of what the difference is between snow events 30 years ago and today........ traffic.
It"s all very well plowing and gritting roads, but without the traffic to flow freely along those roads, snow will continue to settle.
30 years ago, there were not as many cars on the road, much easier for traffic to continue moving. Today, with so much traffic on the road, congestion and slow moving traffic causes the very problems that the gritting is attempting to alleviate. The result, in extreme cases, is that cars are abondoned, making it even more difficult to keep roads open.
I think the bottom line is that we don"t have the road network to handle the number of cars now on the road. Maybe we need to rethink our love affair with the motor car ?
Going to lie down now......... :D
Correct. Me need more roads, wider roads, more lanes, etc.
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By the way folks, here just north-east of Brum the main roads are completely clear. Not sure what it"s like near Walsall, but I can"t imagine it"s much different. So unless we get more snow, there shouldn"t be a problem at this end of your journey.
Probably.
I drove up from Swindon today -- Swindon was fairly bad - but once on the M5 it was clear all the way - so I don"t forsee any problems for the weekend. Motorways will be passable whatever happens......
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Think I might have answered my own question of what the difference is between snow events 30 years ago and today........ traffic.
It"s all very well plowing and gritting roads, but without the traffic to flow freely along those roads, snow will continue to settle.
30 years ago, there were not as many cars on the road, much easier for traffic to continue moving. Today, with so much traffic on the road, congestion and slow moving traffic causes the very problems that the gritting is attempting to alleviate. The result, in extreme cases, is that cars are abondoned, making it even more difficult to keep roads open.
I think the bottom line is that we don"t have the road network to handle the number of cars now on the road. Maybe we need to rethink our love affair with the motor car ?
Going to lie down now......... :D
Correct. Me need more roads, wider roads, more lanes, etc.
I"d rather we just gave up the internal combustion engine. Walking, running and cycling are good for you :D
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Think I might have answered my own question of what the difference is between snow events 30 years ago and today........ traffic.
It"s all very well plowing and gritting roads, but without the traffic to flow freely along those roads, snow will continue to settle.
30 years ago, there were not as many cars on the road, much easier for traffic to continue moving. Today, with so much traffic on the road, congestion and slow moving traffic causes the very problems that the gritting is attempting to alleviate. The result, in extreme cases, is that cars are abondoned, making it even more difficult to keep roads open.
I think the bottom line is that we don"t have the road network to handle the number of cars now on the road. Maybe we need to rethink our love affair with the motor car ?
Going to lie down now......... :D
Spot on Ian
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Think I might have answered my own question of what the difference is between snow events 30 years ago and today........ traffic.
It"s all very well plowing and gritting roads, but without the traffic to flow freely along those roads, snow will continue to settle.
30 years ago, there were not as many cars on the road, much easier for traffic to continue moving. Today, with so much traffic on the road, congestion and slow moving traffic causes the very problems that the gritting is attempting to alleviate. The result, in extreme cases, is that cars are abondoned, making it even more difficult to keep roads open.
I think the bottom line is that we don"t have the road network to handle the number of cars now on the road. Maybe we need to rethink our love affair with the motor car ?
Going to lie down now......... :D
Correct. Me need more roads, wider roads, more lanes, etc.
I"d rather we just gave up the internal combustion engine. Walking, running and cycling are good for you :D
Yeah, I agree. Everyone else should cycle, and leave the roads for me to drive on.
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By the way folks, here just north-east of Brum the main roads are completely clear. Not sure what it"s like near Walsall, but I can"t imagine it"s much different. So unless we get more snow, there shouldn"t be a problem at this end of your journey.
Probably.
I drove up from Swindon today -- Swindon was fairly bad - but once on the M5 it was clear all the way - so I don"t forsee any problems for the weekend. Motorways will be passable whatever happens......
Swindon was fairly bad...
What about the roads?
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Think I might have answered my own question of what the difference is between snow events 30 years ago and today........ traffic.
It"s all very well plowing and gritting roads, but without the traffic to flow freely along those roads, snow will continue to settle.
30 years ago, there were not as many cars on the road, much easier for traffic to continue moving. Today, with so much traffic on the road, congestion and slow moving traffic causes the very problems that the gritting is attempting to alleviate. The result, in extreme cases, is that cars are abondoned, making it even more difficult to keep roads open.
I think the bottom line is that we don"t have the road network to handle the number of cars now on the road. Maybe we need to rethink our love affair with the motor car ?
Going to lie down now......... :D
Correct. Me need more roads, wider roads, more lanes, etc.
I"d rather we just gave up the internal combustion engine. Walking, running and cycling are good for you :D
Yeah, I agree. Everyone else should cycle, and leave the roads for me to drive on.
You"ll be forced to run.
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... grit the roads the day before?
That is all it would have taken ...
Not spend Billions on Invading "axis of evil countries" ...
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Can"t comment on the wars as I have no informed knowledge but I have over 20 years experience of roads maintenace and I can assure you gritting the roads the day before does not deal with snow.
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I do have a question though. How does the bloke who drives the snow plough get into work?
He often takes it home with him for the few hours he has before going out again. These guys often 80+ hours/week. So much so that there is much debate on whether they are except for the European Working Time Directive.
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Swindon was fairly bad...
What about the roads?
No offence to Swindonians -- but its not a place that I would go for a holiday. One casulty of the snow was the educational establishments which were all closed on Tuesday night.
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In Japan they don"t grit the roads at all.
Which is why buying a Japanese import is often a good idea, as the car will be in far better nick than one of the same age that has "grown up" in the UK.
This is irrelevant to the debate, but interesting nevertheless.
And consequently they are not undersealed/rustproofed to the same degree as cars made for the European market.
Also irrelevant, but worth knowing if you"re gonna buy one.
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... my world is shattered ... why do they both with council gritting etc ...?
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... my world is shattered ... why do they both with council gritting etc ...?
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gritting reduces the risk of ice on the road.
the responsibilty to drive in accordance with the conditions is with the DRIVER.
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The grit acts as a contaminant within the water that would form ice, lowering it"s freezing point.
Get the temperature low enough, however, and ice will still form regardless of how much grit is put down.
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i think the main problem is that we as a nation moan too much. we are as a nation, negative. many reasons for this im sure.....but we have no get up and go most of the time..easier to moan than to "roll up the sleeves"
the press prefer a moan..as it sells better..we like a moan so we read it..and believe it...and it slowly but surely sinks into all..that we are a rubbish nation
WE ARE THE BEST GOD DAMN NATION IN THIS WORLD..
example of people moaning and just not thinking
....i work in the logistics business....i had a customer complain to one of my depots that she hadn"t received her parcel yesterday....and she was in all day..because she couldn"t get into work because of the snwo....she didn"t take too kindly to my reasoning..that MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, we had the same issue that she had
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i think the main problem is that we as a nation moan too much. we are as a nation, negative. many reasons for this im sure.....but we have no get up and go most of the time..easier to moan than to "roll up the sleeves"
the press prefer a moan..as it sells better..we like a moan so we read it..and believe it...and it slowly but surely sinks into all..that we are a rubbish nation
WE ARE THE BEST GOD DAMN NATION IN THIS WORLD..
example of people moaning and just not thinking
....i work in the logistics business....i had a customer complain to one of my depots that she hadn"t received her parcel yesterday....and she was in all day..because she couldn"t get into work because of the snwo....she didn"t take too kindly to my reasoning..that MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, we had the same issue that she had
^^^
what he said
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i think the main problem is that we as a nation moan too much. we are as a nation, negative. many reasons for this im sure.....but we have no get up and go most of the time..easier to moan than to "roll up the sleeves"
the press prefer a moan..as it sells better..we like a moan so we read it..and believe it...and it slowly but surely sinks into all..that we are a rubbish nation
WE ARE THE BEST GOD DAMN NATION IN THIS WORLD..
example of people moaning and just not thinking
....i work in the logistics business....i had a customer complain to one of my depots that she hadn"t received her parcel yesterday....and she was in all day..because she couldn"t get into work because of the snwo....she didn"t take too kindly to my reasoning..that MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, we had the same issue that she had
^^^
what he said
POTY
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... this is from the BBC website ... maybe this is why the parcel was delayed!?!
"Two snowballs - one much bigger than the other - were found in Barry Lane."
"It is believed one was the head and the other the body of a giant snowman. "
Genius ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/7872626.stm
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In Japan they don"t grit the roads at all.
Which is why buying a Japanese import is often a good idea, as the car will be in far better nick than one of the same age that has "grown up" in the UK.
This is irrelevant to the debate, but interesting nevertheless.
And consequently they are not undersealed/rustproofed to the same degree as cars made for the European market.
Also irrelevant, but worth knowing if you"re gonna buy one.
No, that"s a very valid point and it"s worth undersealing an imported car if you"re going to keep it for quite a few years. Of course, if you plan to get rid of it after a few it won"t be your problem ;)
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In Japan they don"t grit the roads at all.
Which is why buying a Japanese import is often a good idea, as the car will be in far better nick than one of the same age that has "grown up" in the UK.
This is irrelevant to the debate, but interesting nevertheless.
And consequently they are not undersealed/rustproofed to the same degree as cars made for the European market.
Also irrelevant, but worth knowing if you"re gonna buy one.
No, that"s a very valid point and it"s worth undersealing an imported car if you"re going to keep it for quite a few years. Of course, if you plan to get rid of it after a few it won"t be your problem ;)
And treating the back of the chrome bumpers... then you won"t get rusty holes in them like my Surf!! :"(
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WE ARE THE BEST GOD DAMN NATION IN THIS WORLD..
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s71/RioRodent/morris-dance.jpg)
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In Japan they don"t grit the roads at all.
Which is why buying a Japanese import is often a good idea, as the car will be in far better nick than one of the same age that has "grown up" in the UK.
This is irrelevant to the debate, but interesting nevertheless.
And consequently they are not undersealed/rustproofed to the same degree as cars made for the European market.
Also irrelevant, but worth knowing if you"re gonna buy one.
No, that"s a very valid point and it"s worth undersealing an imported car if you"re going to keep it for quite a few years. Of course, if you plan to get rid of it after a few it won"t be your problem ;)
And treating the back of the chrome bumpers... then you won"t get rusty holes in them like my Surf!! :"(
But other than a bit of cosmetic rust, they"re pretty indestructible I"d imagine?
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In Japan they don"t grit the roads at all.
Which is why buying a Japanese import is often a good idea, as the car will be in far better nick than one of the same age that has "grown up" in the UK.
This is irrelevant to the debate, but interesting nevertheless.
And consequently they are not undersealed/rustproofed to the same degree as cars made for the European market.
Also irrelevant, but worth knowing if you"re gonna buy one.
No, that"s a very valid point and it"s worth undersealing an imported car if you"re going to keep it for quite a few years. Of course, if you plan to get rid of it after a few it won"t be your problem ;)
And treating the back of the chrome bumpers... then you won"t get rusty holes in them like my Surf!! :"(
But other than a bit of cosmetic rust, they"re pretty indestructible I"d imagine?
Well I"ve had it nearly 6 years and I haven"t broke it yet!
It was a bit of a leap of faith... sending about £3k to a man in Japan, that I had only ever exchanged 4 emails with... for a car I had only seen a picture of... in the hope that he would put it on a boat for me, so that I could pick it up from Southampton docks 6 weeks later. :o
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imported cars do have a tendancy to rust but a good underseal will slow the oxidation of the metal, i do own a japanese car that was built in sunderland(nissan primera) so you would think that it would be treated for rusting, nope, 6 hours with a mig welder and a dose of schutz and ive made a right mess of my car but at least it filled a hole.
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Who"d have thought we have so many experts on grit and roads and snow and ice and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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More snow in the West Midlands - but I"m just North of Brum and the roads are all clear. I think the worst of the snow was further South.
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More snow in the West Midlands - but I"m just North of Brum and the roads are all clear. I think the worst of the snow was further South.
Further south of the brum and just north of Oxford where I am is already about 6-7" and still snowing.
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Setting off in 30 minutes. Wish me luck and see all tomorrow!
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Apparently we are now experiencing a grit shortage and are awaiting fresh supplies from Spain!!! How is that possible?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4528257/Snow-Britain-Grit-crisis-putting-lives-at-risk.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4528257/Snow-Britain-Grit-crisis-putting-lives-at-risk.html)
If there"s one thing I thought this country had plenty of it is grit. Perhaps our in-house grit academy could enlighten us on the differences between British and Spanish grit and why British grit is not adequate.
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In Northampton it"s coming down in droves and it doesn"t look like it"s stopping. No roads have been gritted near me and I live on one of the main roads into Northampton town centre.
Anyone know where the snow stops? I would like to play but not sure how sensible it is to step out if I"m driving through snow all the way there. I am just off junction 15 of the M1.
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It doesn"t look like it should be a problem by tomorrow.
Might be icy though
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In Northampton it"s coming down in droves and it doesn"t look like it"s stopping. No roads have been gritted near me and I live on one of the main roads into Northampton town centre.
Anyone know where the snow stops? I would like to play but not sure how sensible it is to step out if I"m driving through snow all the way there. I am just off junction 15 of the M1.
Can"t see there being a problem with the motorways come tomorrow.
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Apparently we are now experiencing a grit shortage and are awaiting fresh supplies from Spain!!! How is that possible?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4528257/Snow-Britain-Grit-crisis-putting-lives-at-risk.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4528257/Snow-Britain-Grit-crisis-putting-lives-at-risk.html)
If there"s one thing I thought this country had plenty of it is grit. Perhaps our in-house grit academy could enlighten us on the differences between British and Spanish grit and why British grit is not adequate.
We"ve got loads of grit its just the wrong type of grit.
Just like we have loads or rain, just the wrong type. Damn were unlucky.
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What happens to all the old grit? In this day and age, with all the emphasis on recycling, it shouldn"t be beyond the capabilities of the Councils" technology to recycle the used grit instead of leaving it rotting by the roadside spoiling the countryside for the next million years. But they"d rather spend their time putting stickers on the recycling bins of innocent council-taxpayers who slip a few fishheads into their recycling bin when their main bin is full, even though they were wrapped in perfectly-reclycable newspaper.
Northampton? - No dedication, the poker-players of today. I"m driving from Portsmouth & I"ll be there no matter what.
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200 poker players stuck in a casino with packs of cards. Wonder what we can do to keep us busy if we get snowed in ;D
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What happens to all the old grit? In this day and age, with all the emphasis on recycling, it shouldn"t be beyond the capabilities of the Councils" technology to recycle the used grit instead of leaving it rotting by the roadside spoiling the countryside for the next million years. But they"d rather spend their time putting stickers on the recycling bins of innocent council-taxpayers who slip a few fishheads into their recycling bin when their main bin is full, even though they were wrapped in perfectly-reclycable newspaper.
Northampton? - No dedication, the poker-players of today. I"m driving from Portsmouth & I"ll be there no matter what.
Pffft......I"ll probably give it a go but I"m working until 1 tomorrow so I was going to have to sprint up as it was....
On my epitaph; she died doing something she loved....
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What happens to all the old grit? In this day and age, with all the emphasis on recycling, it shouldn"t be beyond the capabilities of the Councils" technology to recycle the used grit instead of leaving it rotting by the roadside spoiling the countryside for the next million years. But they"d rather spend their time putting stickers on the recycling bins of innocent council-taxpayers who slip a few fishheads into their recycling bin when their main bin is full, even though they were wrapped in perfectly-reclycable newspaper.
Northampton? - No dedication, the poker-players of today. I"m driving from Portsmouth & I"ll be there no matter what.
Pffft......I"ll probably give it a go but I"m working until 1 tomorrow so I was going to have to sprint up as it was....
On my epitaph; she died doing something she loved....
erm would that be the job Trace or the poker ::) ::) ::)
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What happens to all the old grit? In this day and age, with all the emphasis on recycling, it shouldn"t be beyond the capabilities of the Councils" technology to recycle the used grit instead of leaving it rotting by the roadside spoiling the countryside for the next million years. But they"d rather spend their time putting stickers on the recycling bins of innocent council-taxpayers who slip a few fishheads into their recycling bin when their main bin is full, even though they were wrapped in perfectly-reclycable newspaper.
Northampton? - No dedication, the poker-players of today. I"m driving from Portsmouth & I"ll be there no matter what.
Pffft......I"ll probably give it a go but I"m working until 1 tomorrow so I was going to have to sprint up as it was....
On my epitaph; she died doing something she loved....
erm would that be the job Trace or the poker ::) ::) ::)
;D Definitely the poker!
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WE ARE THE BEST GOD DAMN NATION IN THIS WORLD..
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s71/RioRodent/morris-dance.jpg)
it"s because of this we are the above....we are, and should be proud of our history and traditions..
(just keep it in the small worcestershire & herfordshire villages please!!!!)
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i think the main problem is that we as a nation moan too much. we are as a nation, negative. many reasons for this im sure.....but we have no get up and go most of the time..easier to moan than to "roll up the sleeves"
the press prefer a moan..as it sells better..we like a moan so we read it..and believe it...and it slowly but surely sinks into all..that we are a rubbish nation
WE ARE THE BEST GOD DAMN NATION IN THIS WORLD..
example of people moaning and just not thinking
....i work in the logistics business....i had a customer complain to one of my depots that she hadn"t received her parcel yesterday....and she was in all day..because she couldn"t get into work because of the snwo....she didn"t take too kindly to my reasoning..that MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, we had the same issue that she had
^^^
what he said
POTY
thank-you George.....when do the votes start!!!... ;D
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WE ARE THE BEST GOD DAMN NATION IN THIS WORLD..
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s71/RioRodent/morris-dance.jpg)
it"s because of this we are the above....we are, and should be proud of our history and traditions..
(just keep it in the small worcestershire & herfordshire villages please!!!!)
We have them in Haworth as well, generally come out of the woodwork around May - great for target practice :D