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Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: Chipaccrual on March 22, 2009, 20:19:05 PM
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$200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (400/800) - 2009/03/22 20:05:05 WET [2009/03/22 16:05:05 ET]
Table "147627575 342" 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Telefonkiosk (13040 in chips)
Seat 2: riksanchez (13045 in chips)
Seat 3: ante_geia_AA (14889 in chips)
Seat 4: Big4390 (20250 in chips)
Seat 5: StefUGA (71021 in chips)
Seat 6: KidPokerJD (35026 in chips)
Seat 7: moie66 (29898 in chips)
Seat 8: Chipaccrual (22479 in chips)
Seat 9: PudelLvr (29030 in chips)
Telefonkiosk: posts the ante 50
riksanchez: posts the ante 50
ante_geia_AA: posts the ante 50
Big4390: posts the ante 50
StefUGA: posts the ante 50
KidPokerJD: posts the ante 50
moie66: posts the ante 50
Chipaccrual: posts the ante 50
PudelLvr: posts the ante 50
moie66: posts small blind 400
Chipaccrual: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chipaccrual [9c 9h]
PudelLvr: folds
Telefonkiosk: folds
riksanchez: folds
ante_geia_AA: folds
Big4390: raises 1200 to 2000
StefUGA: folds
KidPokerJD: folds
moie66: folds
Chipaccrual: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [7s 9s :3s:]
So, how do you play this now and why ?
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what reads do you have on the raiser? is he likely to c-bet? If yes, I check-raise all in. This is a massive flop, but so dangerous.... happy to take it down without seeing a turn card.... another spade leaves you playing a tough spot out of position. If he checks behind, I"m betting the pot if the turn is any non spade that doesn"t pair the board.
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bet out to induce raise/shove then call/shove accordingly
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Without reads, I"m betting this flop. Happy to take it down now as it stands rather than check and risk giving oppo a free card to make their flush.
I agree with Mal - bet to induce shove and call the shove. If he has the flush then start screaming for the board to pair.
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problem is, if he has something along the lines of red AK, he is folding to any lead out bet here..... however, if he is a serial c-bettor, a check is going to get him putting a few more chips in before he folds...... if he only c-bets 50% of the time, then I would take the initiative and lead out
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gr8 leigh lol lol ;D a situation to analyze with no reads on opponent and no idea of your image to him.
Great flop isn"t it , a set is normally so much fun to play..Put this on most forums and pretty much all replies will be ""protect your hand"" or ""you have a big hand get your chips in""....For me it would be ""it depends""....
The only time i am cautious with a set is when you get flops like this,a straightening board or good conservative players giving you plenty of action....
I have run across him on Full Tilt but i"ve never played him on stars where he plays mainly,and he is tight ABC with the odd move...
So any bet you make on this texture of flop if called will be pretty much the hand you dread AKss AQss AJss ATss KQss KJss TJss or if your lucky a big over pair with a spade...Without knowing what he thinks of your image i would say generally he would if you bet out call the made flush and start jamming on the turn,and if he has a big over pair with a spade given that he has 22bb left he"ll probably re-raise all in...If he has Ace spade with a decent non spade kicker he might get freaky on the flop [given stack size] but that depends on your image and how he would perceive your lead out..
Given your position/stack size i"d take a check call line on the flop and see a turn card if a non pairing non spade turn i"d check call a reasonable bet on the turn and if he fires a 3rd barrel on the river any non pairing card then i"d lay it down..
If he were to check the turn and there is no spade on the river i"d fire out with a value bet and hope he only calls or spew up if he went all in... ;D
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There"s just over 3k in the pot, I"d lead out with a pot sized bet. If you had a Flush, it"s unlikely you"d make such a bet so this could look like A9 and / or big flush draw and he might stick them in to protect his overpair / flush draw. IMO, the 3k bet is the best way for you to get the info that will lose you the minimum / win you the maximum.
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Very little reads I"m afraid. Hade been at the table for about 20-25 mins, so didn"t really have much to offer. Most of you seem to be saying, caution, but try to get your chips in. ;D
Here"s what happened.
*** FLOP *** [7s 9s :3s:]
Chipaccrual: bets 3200
Big4390: raises 5950 to 9150
Chipaccrual: raises 11279 to 20429 and is all-in
Big4390: calls 9050 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2229) returned to Chipaccrual
I"m now curious as to what Noble1 thinks the guy is holding as he has played him on Tilt a bit. Anyone else want to offer suggestions before I reveal ?
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5s 6s ;)
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AA or KK, with a spade
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I expect he raised with some ridiculous suited (spade) connectors ...
I lost a similar pot to someone with 54s in the hole yesterday.
L
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This is a similar situation to my hand at the £300 at DTD towards the end of last year.
Interesting...
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... overall on these hands I think you just want to get the chips in the the middle ... occassionally people will have made flushes ... but mostly all kinds of overpairs ... lower sets ... high spades ... ropey straight draws.
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His range here is most likely the As- he may have flopped but if he has it"s going in.
I always like to lead out in this spot about 2/3 of the pot
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Very little reads I"m afraid. Hade been at the table for about 20-25 mins, so didn"t really have much to offer. Most of you seem to be saying, caution, but try to get your chips in. ;D
Here"s what happened.
*** FLOP *** [7s 9s :3s:]
Chipaccrual: bets 3200
Big4390: raises 5950 to 9150
Chipaccrual: raises 11279 to 20429 and is all-in
Big4390: calls 9050 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2229) returned to Chipaccrual
I"m now curious as to what Noble1 thinks the guy is holding as he has played him on Tilt a bit. Anyone else want to offer suggestions before I reveal ?
without knowing his image of you leigh its hard to say but this is a rather large re-raise ....
A over pair fits with a spade - he has u for a bluff , flush draw or a set which he has to consider [a bigger pair here with a spade would be a 2/1 dog but he has decided to get groovy and go with it [stack size calls for it].. or maybe a made flush but not the nuts ..
If your image to him his a weak post flop player then he might of got jiggy with 2 high over cards and has tried to muscle you off ..
TBH given i have labeled him tight conservative and you have chosen a lead out line and given that you have around 22bb back i would fold , lick my wounds and give him credit for a made flush....
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ad ah
he binked the ac or :as:
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Chipaccrual: shows [9c 9h]
Big4390: shows [ ah ks]
*** TURN *** [7s 9s :3s:] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [7s 9s :3s: 5s] [qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chipaccrual: shows [9c 9h] (three of a kind, Nines)
Big4390: shows [ah ks] (a flush, King high)
Big4390 collected 41250 from pot
I thought the reraise allin would have scared him off of it, once I knew his cards, but I guess he"s about 2:1 to win the hand after the flop, so obviously fancied his chances.
I don"t think I would have played it any different if it came up again even if it was two hours into a decent tourney.
Cheers for the comments guys. ;D
I"m guessing I"m not the only one who would have lost all his chips here then ?
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Chipaccrual: shows [9c 9h]
Big4390: shows [ ah ks]
*** TURN *** [7s 9s :3s:] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [7s 9s :3s: 5s] [qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chipaccrual: shows [9c 9h] (three of a kind, Nines)
Big4390: shows [ah ks] (a flush, King high)
Big4390 collected 41250 from pot
I thought the reraise allin would have scared him off of it, once I knew his cards, but I guess he"s about 2:1 to win the hand after the flop, so obviously fancied his chances.
I don"t think I would have played it any different if it came up again even if it was two hours into a decent tourney.
Cheers for the comments guys. ;D
I"m guessing I"m not the only one who would have lost all his chips here then ?
wow he didnt just get married to this, he had the ball and chain, was under the thumb and any other expression anybody else can muster up! ;D
in a word yes!
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Unlucky sir , had you seen him in any hands prior to this?
Now that you have an idea of his possible ranges/style would you honestly play it the same from out of position?
I thought the reraise allin would have scared him off of it, once I knew his cards, but I guess he"s about 2:1 to win the hand after the flop, so obviously fancied his chances.
forget that he had ah ks and think it through as to how he"d play out his hand ranges post flop if you had chosen a check flop line... and keep in mind the pot size and stack sizes ...
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If you had checked the flop, I suspect there is a high likelihood that he would check behind to see if he can hit his draw for free.... and once the 4th spade hits on the turn, you can easily fold your set. Perhaps sometimes best to check the flop rather than lead out?
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If you had checked the flop, I suspect there is a high likelihood that he would check behind to see if he can hit his draw for free.... and once the 4th spade hits on the turn, you can easily fold your set. Perhaps sometimes best to check the flop rather than lead out?
Steve are yo not always saying don"t be results orientated? Don"t u think you are being in this case? Leigh got his money in good- the play with the Ks is pretty bad imo.
Plus the RNG means the turn may not have been a spade if they both check :D
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My thoughts were that after his initial raise, he"s on an over pair, possibly with a spade.
So, my chips are going in fairly good here and a double up puts me in a comfortable position for the middle phase of the tournament to try and build my stack.
I"m just putting it down as the guy got lucky. I"m pretty sure I would make the same play again as more often than not, unless he"s already made his flush, I am going to take down the hand, either at showdown or he will fold before.
I think that makes sense. ;D
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Very little reads I"m afraid. Hade been at the table for about 20-25 mins, so didn"t really have much to offer. Most of you seem to be saying, caution, but try to get your chips in. ;D
Here"s what happened.
*** FLOP *** [7s 9s :3s:]
Chipaccrual: bets 3200
Big4390: raises 5950 to 9150
Chipaccrual: raises 11279 to 20429 and is all-in
Big4390: calls 9050 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2229) returned to Chipaccrual
I"m now curious as to what Noble1 thinks the guy is holding as he has played him on Tilt a bit. Anyone else want to offer suggestions before I reveal ?
without knowing his image of you leigh its hard to say but this is a rather large re-raise ....
A over pair fits with a spade - he has u for a bluff , flush draw or a set which he has to consider [a bigger pair here with a spade would be a 2/1 dog but he has decided to get groovy and go with it [stack size calls for it].. or maybe a made flush but not the nuts ..
If your image to him his a weak post flop player then he might of got jiggy with 2 high over cards and has tried to muscle you off ..
TBH given i have labeled him tight conservative and you have chosen a lead out line and given that you have around 22bb back i would fold , lick my wounds and give him credit for a made flush....
I"m not sure I"d credit anyone with a made flush there - yes, it"s part of their range, but so are a lot of other hands.
They"d have to be Mr Tighty, from Tightville, Nit County before I could narrow their range down that much.
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They"d have to be Mr Tighty, from Tightville, Nit County before I could narrow their range down that much.
lol, I thought Rich lived near Luton ? ;D
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If you had checked the flop, I suspect there is a high likelihood that he would check behind to see if he can hit his draw for free.... and once the 4th spade hits on the turn, you can easily fold your set. Perhaps sometimes best to check the flop rather than lead out?
Steve are yo not always saying don"t be results orientated? Don"t u think you are being in this case? Leigh got his money in good- the play with the Ks is pretty bad imo.
Plus the RNG means the turn may not have been a spade if they both check :D
true its not a gr8 play in hindsight now we know his hand but we dont know how BIG4390 perceived Leigh...
This is not the best textured flop to see when you have top set oop and a tight conservative player behind , if we lead out we rather set him up to re-raise a draw which will commit him or we walk into a made flush or he folds 2 high non spade cards..
So whats the best line with 26bb behind,is it always correct to push our stack on the flop?
lol lol i was not joking when i said he is tight conservative with the odd move. he is as you put it a nit.Without knowing what or how he has perceived Leighs play up to now i think it is wrong to say he played AK bad..
But i do think seeing a turn card here is better,if your style is get it in on the flop no matter then Leighs move is ok ish.
On 1 suit flops oop i prefer a more cautious approach against someone who i know is generally conservative and i"m prepared to play the streets and reassess his possible range as the board played out..If we were in position the whole hand/situation plays out a lot different dont you think?....
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If you had checked the flop, I suspect there is a high likelihood that he would check behind to see if he can hit his draw for free.... and once the 4th spade hits on the turn, you can easily fold your set. Perhaps sometimes best to check the flop rather than lead out?
Steve are yo not always saying don"t be results orientated? Don"t u think you are being in this case? Leigh got his money in good- the play with the Ks is pretty bad imo.
Plus the RNG means the turn may not have been a spade if they both check :D
true its not a gr8 play in hindsight now we know his hand but we dont know how BIG4390 perceived Leigh...
This is not the best textured flop to see when you have top set oop and a tight conservative player behind , if we lead out we rather set him up to re-raise a draw which will commit him or we walk into a made flush or he folds 2 high non spade cards..
So whats the best line with 26bb behind,is it always correct to push our stack on the flop?
Why don"t you want the money in here when he has the bare flush draw?
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didnt know i had posted it? anyhows my edited version is above george ...
by the way APAT i hate the black numbers at the bottom any chance changing them to say white?
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Why don"t you want the money in here when he has the bare flush draw?
because we do not what he has due to our position....we are rather hoping he has a draw..i just prefer to see a turn card cheap if possible on this type of flop and re-evaluate ... i"m comfortable with a 20bb+ stack...if the blind levels are about due to rise,i might go with it on the flop...all depends on how the table has been up to now and if i feel i can steal a bit etc etc .... like i said the only times i"m cautious with a set is 1 suited flops,straightening boards or some good conservative player is giving action...
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Why don"t you want the money in here when he has the bare flush draw?
because we do not what he has due to our position....we are rather hoping he has a draw...
but surely you can"t fold to the possibility that he has a flush, so many people overplay overcards with the nut flush draw...this guy didn"t even have that!
I think the way i see it is that leigh did nothing wrong and the other guy overplayed his hand and got lucky, i really don"t think there is anything else to it?!
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Why don"t you want the money in here when he has the bare flush draw?
because we do not what he has due to our position....we are rather hoping he has a draw..i just prefer to see a turn card cheap if possible on this type of flop and re-evaluate ... i"m comfortable with a 20bb+ stack...if the blind levels are about due to rise,i might go with it on the flop...all depends on how the table has been up to now and if i feel i can steal a bit etc etc .... like i said the only times i"m cautious with a set is 1 suited flops,straightening boards or some good conservative player is giving action...
noble, you"re overcomplicatiing things. All your doing by checking here is having the player check behind you. If a 4th spade comes down you are very suseptable to losing the pot even if he has AKdd when the 4th spade falls.
Your too shallow here to not consider getting your money in. If he"s flopped the flush- its a cooler and you have outs anyway.
As it is Leigh gets his stack in the middle as a dominant favourite against our opponent who played his hand pretty horrible imo.
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Why don"t you want the money in here when he has the bare flush draw?
because we do not what he has due to our position....we are rather hoping he has a draw...
but surely you can"t fold to the possibility that he has a flush, so many people overplay overcards with the nut flush draw...this guy didn"t even have that!
I think the way i see it is that leigh did nothing wrong and the other guy overplayed his hand and got lucky, i really don"t think there is anything else to it?!
your basing everything on that leigh has led out , what will happen is that he can only be left with a tricky decision...
Does not being aware of an opponents style/hand ranges/stack size come into the equation at all? is this a small buy in mtt or have i mis-read it...or are the the blinds really 40/80 and there lots of weak players still in?
Meh i must be wrong , forget reads on opponents , forget position , forget taking into account the texture of a flop , just play your cards , never fold and connect BRA to head put on lucky pants and always hope that your opponent has the hand that your beating and get all your chips in.. EASY this poker malarkey ;D
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Why don"t you want the money in here when he has the bare flush draw?
because we do not what he has due to our position....we are rather hoping he has a draw..i just prefer to see a turn card cheap if possible on this type of flop and re-evaluate ... i"m comfortable with a 20bb+ stack...if the blind levels are about due to rise,i might go with it on the flop...all depends on how the table has been up to now and if i feel i can steal a bit etc etc .... like i said the only times i"m cautious with a set is 1 suited flops,straightening boards or some good conservative player is giving action...
noble, you"re overcomplicatiing things. All your doing by checking here is having the player check behind you. If a 4th spade comes down you are very suseptable to losing the pot even if he has AKdd when the 4th spade falls.
Your too shallow here to not consider getting your money in. If he"s flopped the flush- its a cooler and you have outs anyway.
As it is Leigh gets his stack in the middle as a dominant favourite against our opponent who played his hand pretty horrible imo.
i see where your coming from George , but i"ve played this guy before and have an idea of his hand ranges...in earlier replies i said if Leigh led out then he might get freaky with ace spade decent kicker but TBH he would do that with a non nut made flush [QJss TJss KJss KQss and seeming he is the hi-jack chair 9Tss is a possible] as well....
Leigh being oop against a 1/2 decent player on a horrible 1 suit flop gives us a few problems which is why i prefer a check line approach and see what the turn brings...I would not be happy having to fold what might be the best hand but there is plenty of play left in Leighs stack and you know as well as i that a 20bb stack can cause havac if you choose your opponents wisely...
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Why don"t you want the money in here when he has the bare flush draw?
because we do not what he has due to our position....we are rather hoping he has a draw...
but surely you can"t fold to the possibility that he has a flush, so many people overplay overcards with the nut flush draw...this guy didn"t even have that!
I think the way i see it is that leigh did nothing wrong and the other guy overplayed his hand and got lucky, i really don"t think there is anything else to it?!
your basing everything on that leigh has led out , what will happen is that he can only be left with a tricky decision...
Does not being aware of an opponents style/hand ranges/stack size come into the equation at all? is this a small buy in mtt or have i mis-read it...or are the the blinds really 40/80 and there lots of weak players still in?
Meh i must be wrong , forget reads on opponents , forget position , forget taking into account the texture of a flop , just play your cards , never fold and connect BRA to head put on lucky pants and always hope that your opponent has the hand that your beating and get all your chips in.. EASY this poker malarkey ;D
The trouble here is that I have limited read on my opponent and assume the table has limited knowledge of me. I was playing my usual tight game that evening, but that doesn"t help explain the call. ;D
It"s interesting to hear peoples ways of playing this tricky situation though.
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Why don"t you want the money in here when he has the bare flush draw?
because we do not what he has due to our position....we are rather hoping he has a draw..i just prefer to see a turn card cheap if possible on this type of flop and re-evaluate ... i"m comfortable with a 20bb+ stack...if the blind levels are about due to rise,i might go with it on the flop...all depends on how the table has been up to now and if i feel i can steal a bit etc etc .... like i said the only times i"m cautious with a set is 1 suited flops,straightening boards or some good conservative player is giving action...
noble, you"re overcomplicatiing things. All your doing by checking here is having the player check behind you. If a 4th spade comes down you are very suseptable to losing the pot even if he has AKdd when the 4th spade falls.
Your too shallow here to not consider getting your money in. If he"s flopped the flush- its a cooler and you have outs anyway.
As it is Leigh gets his stack in the middle as a dominant favourite against our opponent who played his hand pretty horrible imo.
i see where your coming from George , but i"ve played this guy before and have an idea of his hand ranges...in earlier replies i said if Leigh led out then he might get freaky with ace spade decent kicker but TBH he would do that with a non nut made flush [QJss TJss KJss KQss and seeming he is the hi-jack chair 9Tss is a possible] as well....
Leigh being oop against a 1/2 decent player on a horrible 1 suit flop gives us a few problems which is why i prefer a check line approach and see what the turn brings...I would not be happy having to fold what might be the best hand but there is plenty of play left in Leighs stack and you know as well as i that a 20bb stack can cause havac if you choose your opponents wisely...
Even knowing my opponent- I am going broke with my stack size here. He could be the rockiest rock or the nittest nit I know but the fact is I have top set- I can see many players re raising with an overpair with no spade because they may think your leading with a draw.
Check- raising is a possibility but I want to get my money in NOW and I think leading here is the best way to do it
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Why don"t you want the money in here when he has the bare flush draw?
because we do not what he has due to our position....we are rather hoping he has a draw...
but surely you can"t fold to the possibility that he has a flush, so many people overplay overcards with the nut flush draw...this guy didn"t even have that!
I think the way i see it is that leigh did nothing wrong and the other guy overplayed his hand and got lucky, i really don"t think there is anything else to it?!
your basing everything on that leigh has led out , what will happen is that he can only be left with a tricky decision...
Does not being aware of an opponents style/hand ranges/stack size come into the equation at all? is this a small buy in mtt or have i mis-read it...or are the the blinds really 40/80 and there lots of weak players still in?
Meh i must be wrong , forget reads on opponents , forget position , forget taking into account the texture of a flop , just play your cards , never fold and connect BRA to head put on lucky pants and always hope that your opponent has the hand that your beating and get all your chips in.. EASY this poker malarkey ;D
im not saying that you shouldn"t take all those things into account, but for me personally i don"t see any way that leigh could have played this differently. We very rarely have the nuts in poker, therefore there is always a hand that can beat us. Am i folding just because he MIGHT have this hand and he MIGHT have that hand, just because we are out of position and there are over 20bb...NO!! He was only beaten by the made flush, and we all know the odds of flopping a flush. Leigh would have won the hand if the guy had correctly folded to the re raise.
there was a situation just a couple of days ago in a hand where i had flopped the nut straight early in a tournament...i had managed to create a big pot when on the turn the guy re raises me all in. I still have the nuts, but there is a draw to a higher straight and im pretty certain the guy has a set( which he did )..... so then do you call with the nuts or fold due to the fact that you could get outdrawn? just because it is a weak table and i have plenty of play left? surely you call in the hope that he doesn"t outdraw you (which he did). I think what im trying to say in a muddled up kind of way is that i hate taking unnecessary risks at the start of a tournament, but there are some situations where the possibility to accumuate chips can"t be turned down. I think leigh got himself in a similar situation to mine, he got it all in good and just hoped not to get outdrawn.
just say he had checked and the villain checked behind...what does leigh do on the turn then? check fold?
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this is where our mid/late stage tactics differ , ok some of you want to play this hand now on the flop and hope he has a over pair [thats ok each to there own,i was going by my experience of Big4390"s possible range] ..
I tend to favour taking pots pre-flop or on the flop, but by being the 1st raiser or if i"m calling a raise by being in position [especially if i have a lack of reads on my opponents] True its hard to play a set a wrong way and there numerous ways to get them paid off..The only thing i do not like here is leigh calling and being out of position with as how he puts it ""limited reads"" ;D , your heading for disaster sooner rather than later in big field high buy in mtts if this becomes a habit ...
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this is where our mid/late stage tactics differ , ok some of you want to play this hand now on the flop and hope he has a over pair [thats ok each to there own,i was going by my experience of Big4390"s possible range] ..
I tend to favour taking pots pre-flop or on the flop, but by being the 1st raiser or if i"m calling a raise by being in position [especially if i have a lack of reads on my opponents] True its hard to play a set a wrong way and there numerous ways to get them paid off..The only thing i do not like here is leigh calling and being out of position with as how he puts it ""limited reads"" ;D , your heading for disaster sooner rather than later in big field high buy in mtts if this becomes a habit ...
From someone who has won numerous big field MTT"s this is exactly the sort of spot you need to get your chips in if you want to WIN rather than cash
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Had a good chuckle to myself last night when watchin Tom "Durrrr" Dwan on High Stakes Poker (S05 EP04) last night. With 99 he hits trips on an all-spade flop against Eli Elezra (9s, Ts, Qs I think it was so a high straight-ing board too). He checks it ;)
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Had a good chuckle to myself last night when watchin Tom "Durrrr" Dwan on High Stakes Poker (S05 EP04) last night. With 99 he hits trips on an all-spade flop against Eli Elezra (9s, Ts, Qs I think it was so a high straight-ing board too). He checks it ;)
Because he was up against Eli Elezra.
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Had a good chuckle to myself last night when watchin Tom "Durrrr" Dwan on High Stakes Poker (S05 EP04) last night. With 99 he hits trips on an all-spade flop against Eli Elezra (9s, Ts, Qs I think it was so a high straight-ing board too). He checks it ;)
Bit different when it"s a cash game. Tom probably had around 200-300 big blinds. If he had 26 I"m sure the money would have been in on the flop :)
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there is always more than 1 way to skin a cat....does playing in a std fashion work ? especially when you know the result!
gr8 leigh lol lol Grin a situation to analyze with no reads on opponent and no idea of your image to him.
Great flop isn"t it , a set is normally so much fun to play..Put this on most forums and pretty much all replies will be ""protect your hand"" or ""you have a big hand get your chips in""....For me it would be ""it depends""....
The only time i am cautious with a set is when you get flops like this,a straightening board or good conservative players giving you plenty of action....
I have run across him on Full Tilt but i"ve never played him on stars where he plays mainly,and he is tight ABC with the odd move...
So any bet you make on this texture of flop if called will be pretty much the hand you dread AKss AQss AJss ATss KQss KJss TJss or if your lucky a big over pair with a spade...Without knowing what he thinks of your image i would say generally he would if you bet out call the made flush and start jamming on the turn,and if he has a big over pair with a spade given that he has 22bb left he"ll probably re-raise all in...If he has Ace spade with a decent non spade kicker he might get freaky on the flop [given stack size] but that depends on your image and how he would perceive your lead out..
Given your position/stack size i"d take a check call line on the flop and see a turn card if a non pairing non spade turn i"d check call a reasonable bet on the turn and if he fires a 3rd barrel on the river any non pairing card then i"d lay it down..
If he were to check the turn and there is no spade on the river i"d fire out with a value bet and hope he only calls or spew up if he went all in... Grin
From someone who has won numerous big field MTT"s this is exactly the sort of spot you need to get your chips in if you want to WIN rather than cash
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there is always more than 1 way to skin a cat....does playing in a std fashion work ?
does when your not deep enough- if we"re at the first level here- i check the flop
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ok i get your point u think stack size dictates playing your WAY.... fine :)
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ok i get your point u think stack size dictates playing your WAY.... fine :)
Surely it does. Stack size here is a far more important factor than position for me.
I think it would be a mistake not to get your chips in here.