Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: Chipaccrual on April 08, 2009, 14:51:41 PM
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??? You rarely seem able to hit a flop anymore
??? You do hit top pair with a decent kicker, your opponent has hit trips
??? You can"t remember the last time your pocket pair made trips
??? You are on a straight draw, the card that helps give your opponent a flush or fullhouse
??? Your kings or queens find aces 90% of the time
??? You are racing and you lose 80% of the time, irrelevant of holding the pair or overcards
??? You do hit with your overcards, your opponent hits their two outer
??? You finally make the money with an average stack, when any of the above happens
At the moment, FML
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Get a job
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Play cash.
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When? You mean poker"s not ALWAYS like that ... ? :-\ FML!!!
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take a break
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get a blue rinse and join a whist drive
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realise that poker is not just about playing your hand and work on ways of getting chips by other means by improving your reads of others and situations/players you can take advantage of..
Develop a thick skin and learn to except variance but still be able to play your A game...
Learn to fold....
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Move up stakes............ :-\
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??? You rarely seem able to hit a flop anymore
??? You do hit top pair with a decent kicker, your opponent has hit trips
??? You can"t remember the last time your pocket pair made trips
??? You are on a straight draw, the card that helps give your opponent a flush or fullhouse
??? Your kings or queens find aces 90% of the time
??? You are racing and you lose 80% of the time, irrelevant of holding the pair or overcards
??? You do hit with your overcards, your opponent hits their two outer
??? You finally make the money with an average stack, when any of the above happens
At the moment, FML
Remember those FTs and 4 figure cashes from earlier in the year. They were no fluke. This is the variance of big field MTTs slapping you in the chops.
Are the stats you are quoting only in your mind (??) and are they starting to make you play bad?
If you think you are starting to play bad then give up for a bit or try the following....
1. A few micro stakes STTs where you go allin every hand untill you dish out a shocking beat of your own (posted this before)
2. Try a different game
3. Try a different format
You can"t realistically expect to run like you did in January. Keep making good decisions, record your results and keep posting hands.
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DRINK, DRINK, DRINK!
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everything below is good advice and points to follow......
1 find a lucky pair of under pants you could wear...
2 the bra on head for flips does work wonders....
3 buy a cat so you can kick it when you lose,saves on expenses for broken mouses,laptops and monitors etc etc
4 last night I stayed up late playing poker with Tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died.DO NOT TRY THIS....
5 Remember - Poker is like sex - everyone thinks they"re the best, but most people don"t have a clue what they"re doing
6 money isn"t everything...unless you"re playing in a rebuy tournament
7 they say poker is a zero-sum game. It must be, because every time a donkey plays his sum ends up zero ;D :-*
8 poker is like sex, it"s gr8 when you go allin
9 remember - you can only play pocket jacks 3 ways, all of which are wrong
10 it don"t matter if the donkey is blind you still gonna lose if your crap
11 give up poker if opponents say the following - Even Your Poker Face Is Ugly
12 always complain to the dealer the cards are ill shuffled till you have a good hand
13 avoid people with gold teeth who want to play cards
14 the good news is that in every deck of fifty-two cards there are 2,598,960 possible hands. the bad news is that you are only going to be dealt one of them hands Chipaccrual - most likely 72o
15 poker is not about whether you won or lost, its about how many bad-beat stories you are able to tell
16 there is a very easy way to return from a casino after a nights poker with a small fortune: make sure you go there with a large one
17 the trick to poker is mastering the luck
18 remember no wife can endure a gambling husband, unless he is a steady winner
19 most probably right now your best chance of getting a flush is if you go to the toilet....
20 as Eck says - get pissed
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Rob,
You wanted hands, here we go.
$5 $10k gtd on stars this afternoon. 21/78 sitting well in the cash when this happens :-
PokerStars Game #26866008104: Tournament #153492688, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (1500/3000) - 2009/04/08 18:34:47 WET [2009/04/08 13:34:47 ET]
Table "153492688 286" 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Xanthalius (59628 in chips)
Seat 2: DAVEatUW2 (144370 in chips)
Seat 3: swiffer33 (133225 in chips)
Seat 4: Innova Tom (12504 in chips)
Seat 5: slypud (81501 in chips)
Seat 7: Chipaccrual (97971 in chips)
Seat 8: Axl2032 (39252 in chips)
Seat 9: rookiemonsta (51530 in chips)
Xanthalius: posts the ante 300
DAVEatUW2: posts the ante 300
swiffer33: posts the ante 300
Innova Tom: posts the ante 300
slypud: posts the ante 300
Chipaccrual: posts the ante 300
Axl2032: posts the ante 300
rookiemonsta: posts the ante 300
rookiemonsta: posts small blind 1500
Xanthalius: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chipaccrual [kd ks]
DAVEatUW2: folds
swiffer33: folds
Innova Tom: folds
slypud: folds
Chipaccrual: raises 6000 to 9000
Axl2032: folds
rookiemonsta: raises 42230 to 51230 and is all-in
Xanthalius: folds
Chipaccrual: calls 42230
*** FLOP *** [js jc 7s]
*** TURN *** [js jc 7s] [ac]
*** RIVER *** [js jc 7s ac] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rookiemonsta: shows [th ah] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
Chipaccrual: shows [kd ks] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
rookiemonsta collected 107860 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 107860 | Rake 0
Board [js jc 7s ac 9s]
Seat 1: Xanthalius (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: DAVEatUW2 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 3: swiffer33 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 4: Innova Tom folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 5: slypud folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 7: Chipaccrual showed [kd ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 8: Axl2032 (button) folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 9: rookiemonsta (small blind) showed [th ah] and won (107860) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
But, I take that in my stride and sit tight, waiting for that double up opportunity. 21 hands later, and I have not played a thing, this happens :-
PokerStars Game #26866636597: Tournament #153492688, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2000/4000) - 2009/04/08 18:52:54 WET [2009/04/08 13:52:54 ET]
Table "153492688 286" 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Xanthalius (36628 in chips)
Seat 2: DAVEatUW2 (194018 in chips)
Seat 3: swiffer33 (121825 in chips)
Seat 4: Lecter75 (78860 in chips)
Seat 5: slypud (140901 in chips)
Seat 6: joiridezz (63370 in chips)
Seat 7: Chipaccrual (31141 in chips)
Seat 8: donk girl (158343 in chips)
Seat 9: rookiemonsta (76260 in chips)
Xanthalius: posts the ante 400
DAVEatUW2: posts the ante 400
swiffer33: posts the ante 400
Lecter75: posts the ante 400
slypud: posts the ante 400
joiridezz: posts the ante 400
Chipaccrual: posts the ante 400
donk girl: posts the ante 400
rookiemonsta: posts the ante 400
Chipaccrual: posts small blind 2000
donk girl: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chipaccrual [kh kd]
rookiemonsta: folds
Xanthalius: folds
DAVEatUW2: folds
swiffer33: folds
Lecter75: folds
slypud: raises 8000 to 12000
joiridezz: folds
Chipaccrual: raises 18741 to 30741 and is all-in
donk girl: folds
slypud: calls 18741
*** FLOP *** [8c ts qd]
*** TURN *** [8c ts qd] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [8c ts qd 7c] [ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chipaccrual: shows [kh kd] (a pair of Kings)
slypud: shows [7d 8s] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
slypud collected 69082 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 69082 | Rake 0
Board [8c ts qd 7c ac]
Seat 1: Xanthalius folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 2: DAVEatUW2 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 3: swiffer33 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 4: Lecter75 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 5: slypud showed [7d 8s] and won (69082) with two pair, Eights and Sevens
Seat 6: joiridezz (button) folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 7: Chipaccrual (small blind) showed [ kh kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: donk girl (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: rookiemonsta folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
So I go out in 58th place earning $20.60 for my 5hrs of poker play. And I think to myself, what a wonderful world. ;D
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this is the problem when you play this level of players! i had a silimar situation earlier when i push all in(with pocket 8s) and someone calls 1/3 of his stack with 8-9 off!! of course the 9 hits on the flop and im nearly drawing dead! Can you imagine doing that yourself?
something i have been doing recently is playing tournaments with a lower amount of runners, funnily enough my results have been far better including making final tables instead of just cashing. try that for a few weeks rather than playing the big guarantee tournis, hopefully you luck and skill will come through! ;D
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this is the problem when you play this level of players! i had a silimar situation earlier when i push all in(with pocket 8s) and someone calls 1/3 of his stack with 8-9 off!! of course the 9 hits on the flop and im nearly drawing dead! Can you imagine doing that yourself?
something i have been doing recently is playing tournaments with a lower amount of runners, funnily enough my results have been far better including making final tables instead of just cashing. try that for a few weeks rather than playing the big guarantee tournis, hopefully you luck and skill will come through! ;D
Skill ?
I think you must be confusing me with someone else.
I"m the tall chap that is normally running around getting chip counts at APAT events because I"ve already been knocked out.
I do agree with you though about the thinking of "would I push/call with what they push/call with"
Noble1 sent me a link to a very good article on levels of poker thinking. Will go and try and find it.
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LINK (http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-articles/Things-It-Took-Me-A-While-To-Learn-The-Flaw-in-Level-2-Thinking-2748041)
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this is the problem when you play this level of players! i had a silimar situation earlier when i push all in(with pocket 8s) and someone calls 1/3 of his stack with 8-9 off!! of course the 9 hits on the flop and im nearly drawing dead! Can you imagine doing that yourself?
something i have been doing recently is playing tournaments with a lower amount of runners, funnily enough my results have been far better including making final tables instead of just cashing. try that for a few weeks rather than playing the big guarantee tournis, hopefully you luck and skill will come through! ;D
Skill ?
I think you must be confusing me with someone else.
I"m the tall chap that is normally running around getting chip counts at APAT events because I"ve already been knocked out.
I do agree with you though about the thinking of "would I push/call with what they push/call with"
Noble1 sent me a link to a very good article on levels of poker thinking. Will go and try and find it.
haha, you have plenty...to make the final table of these you need to!
just dont lose confidence and try some smaller field size events.
at least you get pocket pairs! i wish i saw a few of those from time to time! ;D
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hand 1 - standard. villain has an M of 7-8 and is looking to get them in. dont like the move with ATs but have seen worse.
hand 2 - villain is never folding here.
In both cases you got in a great spot to double up/bust someone and got plain unlucky and did nothing wrong.
You are a good tourney player leigh, but you dont play the volume of MTTs to get any idea of how good you really are at big field MTTs.
Try playing some smaller field tourneys.
pros - finish in a decent time, can give you more idea of how well you are doing, get a decent return on going deep, even if you dont FT
cons - no big payday when you FT
Options are....
tourneys on Partypoker
180s on stars*
deepstacks on Boss
double stacks on iPoker (if they still do them?)
* the recommended option
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LINK (http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-articles/Things-It-Took-Me-A-While-To-Learn-The-Flaw-in-Level-2-Thinking-2748041)
excellent article
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i will add to that article which some may find complete tosh but heyho i"ll put it out there...if we assume our opponents a bit lacking in the skills department and also think on level of that there own , when you try to bluff these donkeys you should do it in a way they understand for example the guy 2 seats to your right hits a set on a rainbow flop and min raises when bet into then he bets pot on the turn,the opponent he his playing stacks off his chips in a foolish all in with top pair..
When you get a chance to go hu with this guy try to mirror his actions for a strong hand/rep a set even if you have complete tripe and see if they see this as a set,,because it is the way that they would play it .. you might be surprised by how many who will give up there hand and give you credit.... I call it my mirror move ;D kind of like the guy who bluffs a lot always thinks everyone is doing it to him so when you get a hand against these types you bet like a maniac they always think you dont have it...
anyone else have any cunning tactics?
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Add this one to my collection. Down to 31 runners, sat with an average stack. No bad beat, just another one of those hands.
PokerStars Game #26968320373: Tournament #153492633, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2009/04/11 14:19:43 WET [2009/04/11 9:19:43 ET]
Table "153492633 40" 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Alts1-1 (58263 in chips)
Seat 2: Chipaccrual (38960 in chips)
Seat 3: DANGER8889 (33524 in chips)
Seat 4: Schnulli$100 (58394 in chips)
Seat 5: harryhope (38730 in chips)
Seat 6: goc2 (39146 in chips)
Seat 7: MurrayA10 (51062 in chips)
Seat 8: dara44 (41775 in chips)
Alts1-1: posts the ante 125
Chipaccrual: posts the ante 125
DANGER8889: posts the ante 125
Schnulli$100: posts the ante 125
harryhope: posts the ante 125
goc2: posts the ante 125
MurrayA10: posts the ante 125
dara44: posts the ante 125
DANGER8889: posts small blind 600
Schnulli$100: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chipaccrual [qc jc]
harryhope: folds
goc2: folds
MurrayA10: raises 2137 to 3337
dara44: folds
Alts1-1: folds
Chipaccrual: calls 3337
DANGER8889: folds
Schnulli$100: folds
*** FLOP *** [kc 7c ac]
MurrayA10: checks
Chipaccrual: checks
*** TURN *** [kc 7c ac] [ad]
MurrayA10: bets 6666
Chipaccrual: raises 11334 to 18000
MurrayA10: raises 29600 to 47600 and is all-in
Chipaccrual: calls 17498 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (12102) returned to MurrayA10
*** RIVER *** [kc 7c ac ad] [qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MurrayA10: shows [7s 7h] (a full house, Sevens full of Aces)
Chipaccrual: shows [qc jc] (a flush, Ace high)
MurrayA10 collected 80470 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 80470 | Rake 0
Board [kc 7c ac ad qs]
Seat 1: Alts1-1 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 2: Chipaccrual (button) showed [qc jc] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: DANGER8889 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Schnulli$100 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: harryhope folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 6: goc2 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 7: MurrayA10 showed [7s 7h] and won (80470) with a full house, Sevens full of Aces
Seat 8: dara44 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Should I have bet the flop, maybe, but he"s hit big also, can"t see him getting away from it either.
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Should I have bet the flop, maybe, but he"s hit big also, can"t see him getting away from it either.
Agree with that ... just a pretty sick cooler.
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...and i know villain in this hand.
pretty much a cooler though
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you could get away from that,,had you seen him play trips fast like this even to a reraise when he is oop? if so call but his line suggests to me tricky set on flop,when he reraised did he tank or was it a insta shove? after you rr 4th street did you consider his holdings might be KK or AK? if so why did you discount them?
just trying to get your thought process on this -what range preflop did you put him on .....