Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: treydj on June 15, 2009, 19:51:55 PM
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hi all,
just a general question.........
all players still have starting stacks - no reads - just an average say $5 - $20 game
9 / 10 seater
SNG level 1 or 2 - 99 UTG - raise fold or limp.
i can make a case for all three , but whats the general idea?
i guess the same can be said for 88 an TT?
Cheers
Jas
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I agree that you can make a case for all 3
I generally prefer the limp in a STT and will fold to a raise in levels 1 and 2.
same for 88. I should probably do the same for TT, but I think I tend to overplay this hand early in STTs.
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I would still raise as level 1 its still relativley cheap- if you get reraised you can fold comfortable in the knowledge your beat
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I would still raise as level 1 its still relativley cheap- if you get reraised you can fold comfortable in the knowledge your beat
What he said cos he is still my hero ;D
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I would still raise as level 1 its still relativley cheap- if you get reraised you can fold comfortable in the knowledge your beat
trouble is you"re almost always gonna get a call cos it"s cheap, then you have to play the flop oop with a marginal hand.
i would limp and set mine, or fold pre to any raise unless multiple callers to give some implied value
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I would still raise as level 1 its still relativley cheap- if you get reraised you can fold comfortable in the knowledge your beat
trouble is you"re almost always gonna get a call cos it"s cheap, then you have to play the flop oop with a marginal hand.
i would limp and set mine, or fold pre to any raise unless multiple callers to give some implied value
you got there before me steve. At these levels ($5 - $20) you are generally bleeding chips, raising with these hands. If you only raise AA - JJ and AK, you may think you are exploitable (as you would be in a MTT) but you rarely are
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weird hand eh!!
all replies are different lol!!
i kinda limp and call a standard raise - if i miss my set or i dont flop favourably i"m out.
every time i raise i get called in at least one position thus playing an inflated pot oop with a real difficult hand.
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limp call oop is the worst thing we can do here. Raise or fold with a lean towards folding. Don fold every time utg L1
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i never open limp with anything so i open with a raise
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i never open limp with anything so i open with a raise
In this scenario as outlined in the OP, don"t you think this is a little spewy? You are always going to get at least one call, and probably more than one... and then will be playing a flop out of position, with a high likelihood of overcards on the board. Obviously if you are re-raised preflop you can fold and get away cheap.... but if called, you either c-bet or c/r post flop, and in both events you"re going to have commit more chips than a simple limp/call preflop. In level 1 of a cheap STT, surely 99 is a hand to set-mine with, but not one to play the flop with oop.
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no i don"t think it is spewy at all. people who limp-call small pocket pairs might as well turn their hand face up half the time.
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no i don"t think it is spewy at all. people who limp-call small pocket pairs might as well turn their hand face up half the time.
This only is the case if you play str8 forward. If u mix up ur game and limp a wide range a small % of the time then set mining here is fine. I think u can fold if its a very aggressive table - limp if it is a passive limpy table - and raise if ppl r playing tight. Easy game :) As long as u also limp big hands utg a certain % or maybe even s.c."s some of the time then limp = +EV
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Dunno about the levels but in most sngs I play you usually will get it heads up in this spot or take the blinds which isn"t bad with a hand like 99
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Dunno about the levels but in most sngs I play you usually will get it heads up in this spot or take the blinds which isn"t bad with a hand like 99
I doubt you play many $5-$20 Sngs..... and that was the subject of the OP. At least 2 callers most of the time, followed by more spewage on the flop when we c-bet/fold.
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I"d open but in a sit and go I wouldn"t c bet as often
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Dunno about the levels but in most sngs I play you usually will get it heads up in this spot or take the blinds which isn"t bad with a hand like 99
I doubt you play many $5-$20 Sngs..... and that was the subject of the OP. At least 2 callers most of the time, followed by more spewage on the flop when we c-bet/fold.
I really dont agree with this, ime L1
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Why fold to a raise........ thats when u wanna set..pref to someones o/pair.... that is HOW you get paid and will provide all the implies odds you need !!! if you miss, u lose say 5% of your stack whici is pretty meaningless at this early stage....
really depends on the buyin/site too......
i had an allin preflop in a $12 game last night called by 4/9 players on table... I had QQ, initial raiser had kq, 2 callers pre had a2 suited and j 9 suited....... and no i didnt win :) makes you think tho.....
I would still raise as level 1 its still relativley cheap- if you get reraised you can fold comfortable in the knowledge your beat
trouble is you"re almost always gonna get a call cos it"s cheap, then you have to play the flop oop with a marginal hand.
i would limp and set mine, or fold pre to any raise unless multiple callers to give some implied value
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Damn fine question with some very interesting and varied answers. Which is good or we"d all be transparent.
Think I"m limping in here at this stage etc.
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Why fold to a raise........ thats when u wanna set..pref to someones o/pair.... that is HOW you get paid and will provide all the implies odds you need !!! if you miss, u lose say 5% of your stack whici is pretty meaningless at this early stage....
really depends on the buyin/site too......
i had an allin preflop in a $12 game last night called by 4/9 players on table... I had QQ, initial raiser had kq, 2 callers pre had a2 suited and j 9 suited....... and no i didnt win :) makes you think tho.....
I would still raise as level 1 its still relativley cheap- if you get reraised you can fold comfortable in the knowledge your beat
trouble is you"re almost always gonna get a call cos it"s cheap, then you have to play the flop oop with a marginal hand.
i would limp and set mine, or fold pre to any raise unless multiple callers to give some implied value
In a sit and go I"d fold 99 1st level to a re raise
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In a sit and go I"d fold 99 1st level to a re raise
Totally correct, there is no price to set mine here! Raising 99 L1 is spewy alone but i dont mind it from s1 or s2 as most peeps will give respect and pass. So making it 90 L1 S1/S2
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In a sit and go I"d fold 99 1st level to a re raise
Totally correct, there is no price to set mine here! Raising 99 L1 is spewy alone but i dont mind it from s1 or s2 as most peeps will give respect and pass. So making it 90 L1 S1/S2
early doors is where you get the best price to set mine... the implied odds if you hit your set are huge.
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would be interesting posting this on blonde seeing what longy/tank say. Pretty sure they fold to a rr with 99 l1 or 2
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would be interesting posting this on blonde seeing what longy/tank say. Pretty sure they fold to a rr with 99 l1 or 2
I never finished my post but this is exactly what i was saying. Basically your going to end up with 270$ in pre @ L1 out of a 1500$ stack, this is a huge mistake.
(The multi tabling nit regs would just pass this pre)
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This very hand last night in a $5 SNG, UG I raised to 4 x BB, my thinking fairly similar to Steves is that I am hoping to get rid of the junk hands, and am aware that I will get called by good aces and other pairs, and hopefully not re raised! As it happened I had two callers and flopped a set on a low board, I checked the flop as did the 2 callers turn was a K and am now hoping it has hit someone so check again, bet and two callers happy days, river Ace, I bet the pot, one fold and the button calls and flips AK.
So big pot early on and sets me up for the tournament (finished 2nd) . I know the button played it horribly, well he did IMO, but when you hit your set....
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would be interesting posting this on blonde seeing what longy/tank say. Pretty sure they fold to a rr with 99 l1 or 2
I never finished my post but this is exactly what i was saying. Basically your going to end up with 270$ in pre @ L1 out of a 1500$ stack, this is a huge mistake.
(The multi tabling nit regs would just pass this pre)
which is exactly the reason why i said I would limp rather than open-raise with this hand in this spot in this tourney in this level!!! QED limp is best in this spot - if someone makes standard raise after you, it costs only 60 or 80 to see the flop, and the implied odds are good.