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Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: Joker161 on June 17, 2009, 16:01:03 PM
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Am off to Vegas on the 27th June and had my heart set on playing event 54 (for $1,500) on the 29th. Then on Friday in the Guardian, Vicky Coren said that the $1,500 events were a bit mad, you could be out in an hour and would be better off playing three $500 sats for the main event where the structure was quite good. But in the $1,500 events the levels are 60 minutes while in the sats they go up every 30 minutes. Can the $1,500 events be that bad? Would playing three $500 sats give more of the "WSOP experience" if you know what I mean?
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If I had $1500 to spend in that situation I would enter one of the Limit WSOP $1500 events - you won"t be out in an hour if you did that.
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You are probably better of playing a sat rather than one of the $1500 -
Read some of the reports for the $1500 - players drop at an average of one every 30/40 seconds!!!!!
Listen to john and play one of the limit tpurnies atleast you will get some value from your tourney bucks!!
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if i was spending $1500 i would play the deepstacks at Caesars or the Venetian but i guess that"s not the WSOP
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even with 4500 chips starting stack this year, these events are complete donk shoots and probably dont give the greatest WSOP experience
I"d try and qualify for a bigger WSOP event or do as Dean says and play the deepstacks. Much better value for money
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Am off to Vegas on the 27th June and had my heart set on playing event 54 (for $1,500) on the 29th. Then on Friday in the Guardian, Vicky Coren said that the $1,500 events were a bit mad, you could be out in an hour and would be better off playing three $500 sats for the main event where the structure was quite good. But in the $1,500 events the levels are 60 minutes while in the sats they go up every 30 minutes. Can the $1,500 events be that bad? Would playing three $500 sats give more of the "WSOP experience" if you know what I mean?
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Play the $1500 ... I think Vicky was just giving fair warning of what to expect ...
My mate is over playing Event 34 ($2000 NL) ... 2000 runners ... 240 left at the end of day 1 ... but going by the match report nothing particuarly crazy ... 1 hour levels. First day down to 240 ... 216 paid ... he is still in play ...pretty short stacked.
$500 sat"s are more likely to be crapshoots ... 1 seat per 20 runners.
Limit ... oh wow ... have you played it ... SO slow ...
Good Luck.
Louis
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really depends what your after???
Surely you wanna play an event? I"d play the 1500
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I am off on Sunday and have been backed by my good friends at the BCPC to the tune of 4-£500 so I will probably play one of those deepstack events at Caesars or the Venetian as I feel they suit my style of play better.
For a buy-in of that magnitude, I want a LOT of play for my wad !
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hey joker161. Im guessing this is a NLH event. go to Pokertournmentformula.com and check out the skill factor of this event. personally from reading synders book i would avoid this, and also watching Negreanus blogs.
he says he "avoids most NLH events like the plague" during the wsop (apart from the main event) apparantly the fields are quite big and structure quite fast.
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Thanks for all the advice. Keep it coming. Conflicting views so still undecided. I think I will play Ceasars/Venitian as well as something at the Rio.
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I"ve played the $1500 NL event and enjoyed every minute of it (finished c400/2800 after about 13 hours)
Having said that if you are after good poker experience (structure, card room, TD"s, etc) then I would say play at Ceasars. (it"s better but just not the WSOP!)
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I would agree as well . You also have to ask urself what ypou are comfortable playing , if you feel they are donkshoots then you adjust your game plan accordingly and play for value . Whatever the outcome at least you are to have gone in with the best hand .. If not , cash games are really sweet , you could even come back with 4x the amount you went over with .. Good luck in your quest...
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dont waist you time just give it 2me and ill by you a drink
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only joking play the game you play best
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Take 2 friends, have 3 seats in the same $500 trny, chipdump, mirrors under table, wink/blink and get a seat to ME.
Obviously jesting, gl with your eventual choice and keep us posted :)
Think i would prob opt for the $1500.
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Vicky Coren"s articles have an agenda of despising modern poker, you can safely ignore most of it. I can"t say what Vegas tournaments are value though.
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Anyone got any last minute advice? I"m off on Saturday. I"m tending towards the $500 sats.
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Anyone got any last minute advice? I"m off on Saturday. I"m tending towards the $500 sats.
i"d play a 1500 event tbh mate.
at least that way you get a true WSOP experience as opposed to 500 dollar sats full of high roller donks that couldnt care less if they bingo you out.
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hey viper. do you really think the $1500 is gonna be any different from the sats...? its still gonna be full of people who have never played poker before.
you wont experiance playing a top pro like Ivey, Hansen or Negreanu....they have said that they Avoid these NLH events like the Plague.....not enough utilty to be able to play Smallball...i could be wrong about the reasons why they dont like playing them, but that is my best guess. have you ever wondered why ivey has never got a NHL braclet?and he is probably the best player in the world..
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hey viper. do you really think the $1500 is gonna be any different from the sats...? its still gonna be full of people who have never played poker before.
you wont experiance playing a top pro like Ivey, Hansen or Negreanu....they have said that they Avoid these NLH events like the Plague.....not enough utilty to be able to play Smallball...i could be wrong about the reasons why they dont like playing them, but that is my best guess. have you ever wondered why ivey has never got a NHL braclet?and he is probably the best player in the world..
because he doesn"t play ice hockey? ;)
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hey viper. do you really think the $1500 is gonna be any different from the sats...? its still gonna be full of people who have never played poker before.
you wont experiance playing a top pro like Ivey, Hansen or Negreanu....they have said that they Avoid these NLH events like the Plague.....not enough utilty to be able to play Smallball...i could be wrong about the reasons why they dont like playing them, but that is my best guess. have you ever wondered why ivey has never got a NHL braclet?and he is probably the best player in the world..
Plenty of the big names play the $1500 NLHE events
The reason you"re not very likely to sit on a table as them is because of the number of entrants
hence, another reason
If I had $1500 to spend in that situation I would enter one of the Limit WSOP $1500 events - you won"t be out in an hour if you did that.
As you"re also more likely to get to play against a big name
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Surely the whole point is to win some $$$. Not just sit at a poker table with some one you once saw on t.v.
Play wich ever game you think will give you the best chance of cashing!
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fair enough, good point...but you could probably gain experiance and learn about your own style, by playing against people who have made millions in the game, and people who are better than you.
good luck what ever you choose joker..
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surely part of taking a trip to Vegas during WSOP is for the experience and thrill of playing for a bracelet?! If you want to invest in easier tourneys, why go all the way to Vegas - there"s plenty of easy money in UK and Europe.
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I agree with Steve, if you are going to Vegas during WSOP, then surely the aim is to play one of the Bracelet events. If you have a few quid to spend on tourneys then play in the GUKPT or the monthly DTD events.
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I agree with Steve
wow, just wow!! what is the world coming to??
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surely part of taking a trip to Vegas during WSOP is for the experience and thrill of playing for a bracelet?! If you want to invest in easier tourneys, why go all the way to Vegas - there"s plenty of easy money in UK and Europe.
Definitely this.
Get backed a little if you can, I"m playing event 54 and it"s gonna cost me a lot less than the buy in. Pressure off, variance down etc. Just for the chance of saying you"ve done, maybe cashing in it, and given the standard of some of the play in the latter stages (going by unreliable updates), who"s to say you won"t make it very deep.
If you"re there for the money and you back your poker skill, find the deepstacks around.
If you"re there for the experience, play the WSOP.
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I disagree with Steve ;)
From my experience the standard of play is much lower in Vegas and it is a good place to build your bankroll.
I would still opt for the $1500 event though.
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*sigh*
One day I"ll make it to Vegas....
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I disagree with Steve ;)
From my experience the standard of play is much lower in Vegas and it is a good place to build your bankroll.
I would still opt for the $1500 event though.
This is true, but you have to pay for flights and hotels - if you"re only playing to win money you can play locally or play online.
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Thanks again everyone! It looks like the balance of opinion is for the $1500 event. I rang a mate of mine yesterday and he reckoned I should play some deepstacks at the Venitian. However, he had just played the $215 on Party. Third hand he got QQ, one caller. Flop comes Q95, he bets, he gets raised and all the money goes in. Opponent has JT. You know the rest... As he said, imagine if that happened half an hour into a $1500 event!
As you all say, the whole point of going out there is playing in a WSOP event, however unlikey cashing is, otherwise I might as well use the money to play in a decent GUKPT event. As long as I go in with the mindset that the money is basically lost at the start.
Hmm.....
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Thanks again everyone! It looks like the balance of opinion is for the $1500 event. I rang a mate of mine yesterday and he reckoned I should play some deepstacks at the Venitian. However, he had just played the $215 on Party. Third hand he got QQ, one caller. Flop comes Q95, he bets, he gets raised and all the money goes in. Opponent has JT. You know the rest... As he said, imagine if that happened half an hour into a $1500 event!
As you all say, the whole point of going out there is playing in a WSOP event, however unlikey cashing is, otherwise I might as well use the money to play in a decent GUKPT event. As long as I go in with the mindset that the money is basically lost at the start.
Hmm.....
You may as well play the slots if thats your thinking!
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... As long as I go in with the mindset that the money is basically lost at the start.
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Although it seems counter intuitive I don"t think this is a bad idea.
You have to make the correct decisions when playing no matter how much money is at stake, if you start with the mindset that the entry fee is no longer your money and you"ve lost it, then it means you"ll be free to play your cards without the pressure of thinking that you have to cash.
This should free up your thinking so that you can just relax and play your natural game - which has to be a good thing.
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I agree, if you play thinking about how much it has cost to enter, or play trying to last longer, then you wont play your normal game and you will find yourself playing far too weak. So pay your money, relax, and play your own game and if things go well great, if they don"t at least you have had the experience of playing a WSOP event.
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if your mindset isent right give me the money and ill get steve 2 kiss you good nite after we have all had a few after shots he mite even let you run your fingers thru his hair he he glk in vagas