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Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: LongshanksED on June 23, 2009, 10:52:57 AM

Title: Pre flop - fold, call or raise?
Post by: LongshanksED on June 23, 2009, 10:52:57 AM

$20 sit n go - villain is elgreloudema in the hand previous he lost 1500 chips to me with my pocket kings

next hand

TEXAS_HOLDEM, NO_LIMIT, T5-506004-11
played at "Table #1" for USD TC from 2009-06-23 04:42 until 2009-06-23 04:43



Seat 1: chichi46 (1,430 in chips)  
Seat 3: CharliManson (1,390 in chips)  
Seat 4: elgreloudema (710 in chips)  
Seat 5: Oshi55 (1,455 in chips)  
Seat 6: KOPogCP (3,810 in chips)  
Seat 7: AndreasL861 (1,455 in chips)  
Seat 8: mamat xxx (1,605 in chips)  
Seat 9: l0ng5hank (3,145 in chips)   :as: ks



ANTES/BLINDS
l0ng5hank posts blind (15), chichi46 posts blind (30).

PRE-FLOP
CharliManson folds, elgreloudema bets 710 and is all-in, Oshi55 folds, KOPogCP calls 710, AndreasL861 folds, mamat xxx folds, l0ng5hank folds, chichi46 folds.

FLOP [board cards: 2H,3C,TH ]


TURN [board cards: 2H,3C,TH,AD ]


RIVER [board cards: 2H,3C,TH,AD,2S ]


SHOWDOWN
elgreloudema shows [ TC,JS ]
KOPogCP shows [ 5H,5C ]
elgreloudema wins 1,465.



SUMMARY
Dealer: mamat xxx
Pot: 1,465
chichi46, loses 30
CharliManson, loses 0
elgreloudema, bets 710, collects 1,465, net 755
Oshi55, loses 0
KOPogCP, loses 710
AndreasL861, loses 0
mamat xxx, loses 0
l0ng5hank, loses 15


I see an arguement for all 3 and in hindsight should i have at least called? im happy to fold  and still keep a good stack and i figure AK in a 3 way pot isnt a big favourite t - also KOPogCP insta called and has only been showing big hands so i put him on a pocket pair of some in kind

Title: Re: Pre flop - fold, call or raise?
Post by: Mikeyboy9361 on June 23, 2009, 11:02:11 AM

I,m pushing here, Elgre is steaming and is trying to double up with any two, and KOpog calls hoping everybody else folds, you have a genuine hand. Push.

Title: Re: Pre flop - fold, call or raise?
Post by: AMRN on June 23, 2009, 11:03:36 AM

I"m never folding in this spot in a STT. I would prefer to raise to either create a side pot with KOPogCP, or to squeeze him out and isolate elgreloudema

Title: Re: Pre flop - fold, call or raise?
Post by: treydj on June 23, 2009, 17:24:30 PM

your in good shape - its the 15/30 level - no need to gamble

i reckon your only about 50% to 2 random hands. one of which should be stronger than average due to the flat call.

easy fold - wait for a better spot

Title: Re: Pre flop - fold, call or raise?
Post by: lukybugur on June 23, 2009, 19:18:17 PM

I"m with Jason. Too early to consider flipping coins. Fold and wait for better spot.

Title: Re: Pre flop - fold, call or raise?
Post by: Swinebag on June 23, 2009, 20:14:01 PM

Dont post the result next time shanks.

I"d have called the first shove (but only becaue I"m chipped up), but dont fancy playing for second guys stack so would fold here,

Title: Re: Pre flop - fold, call or raise?
Post by: hi_am_chris on June 23, 2009, 20:41:50 PM

If you come over the top it looks so strong that you might not have to worry about middle pairs calling and then you have 700 of dead money in the pot

Title: Re: Pre flop - fold, call or raise?
Post by: duke3016 on June 23, 2009, 20:48:10 PM

All in Pre -- but hey thats just me  ;D

Title: Re: Pre flop - fold, call or raise?
Post by: LongshanksED on June 23, 2009, 21:24:51 PM

my thinking was along the lines of AK against 2 others isnt a great spot - if i shove, would the original caller call me and at the 2nd level of blinds its 100BB+

very spewy imo

was happy to fold