Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: hi_am_chris on July 08, 2009, 12:14:09 PM
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Ok so i think the way the hand played out was pretty standard but others at the table seemed to think different but ill post up to the point where i have to make the final decision,
I have AQs second to act on an 8 handed table, blinds 200 - 400 and i have just over 6k from my 5k starting stack, villain has me covered and has over double my stack. I have played a lot with the villain and play in a weekly pub game with him, i know he likes to limp a lot of hands and raise what he percieve to be bigger hands including things like Ace rag, qj, kj etc. He likes to call pre flop but doesnt re raise very often.
I raise to 1050 and it folds round to him in the cut off, he reraises me to 4500 and it folds back round to me. what do you do?
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As you said you play a lot with him so to me only one answer fold,
to mee he wants you to either call or go all in
yes he may have AK etc or pair but with AQ there are a lot of hands ahead off you
so take the loss
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Ok so i think the way the hand played out was pretty standard but others at the table seemed to think different but ill post up to the point where i have to make the final decision,
I have AQs second to act on an 8 handed table, blinds 200 - 400 and i have just over 6k from my 5k starting stack, villain has me covered and has over double my stack. I have played a lot with the villain and play in a weekly pub game with him, i know he likes to limp a lot of hands and raise what he percieve to be bigger hands including things like Ace rag, qj, kj etc. He likes to call pre flop but doesnt re raise very often.
I raise to 1050 and it folds round to him in the cut off, he reraises me to 4500 and it folds back round to me. what do you do?
Do u have any prior info on his 3-betting range? If he is known to over-value weaker hands as said abovr then u gta move in! Quite clearly zero fold equity but from what you say, it seemd there is a chance you have the best hand a fair % of the time.
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With such a raise, this is likely his way of showing that he"s willing to play for your 7k stack. For you, it"s now down to reads (size and speed of re-raise and does he seem to be sitting comfortably) and how likely you think this is one of these times he has an Arag, QJ, KJ type hand.
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There are only 4 hands that have you crushed 3 of wich you still have a 30 odd % chance of beating, if you fold here your leaving yourself 12 bigs and in 2 hands time your in the blinds. There is no better spot than this, get em in now.
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what is your table image and what stage of the tourney are you at?
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Ok so i think the way the hand played out was pretty standard but others at the table seemed to think different but ill post up to the point where i have to make the final decision,
I have AQs second to act on an 8 handed table, blinds 200 - 400 and i have just over 6k from my 5k starting stack, villain has me covered and has over double my stack. I have played a lot with the villain and play in a weekly pub game with him, i know he likes to limp a lot of hands and raise what he percieve to be bigger hands including things like Ace rag, qj, kj etc. He likes to call pre flop but doesnt re raise very often.
I raise to 1050 and it folds round to him in the cut off, he reraises me to 4500 and it folds back round to me. what do you do?
you already asked me this and I told you the correct answer :p
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Marty, although hes likely to raise up an ace rag or kj kq or middle pair type hand he wont be 3 betting light, his image of me is that i have a tight opening range. This will have been around halfway through the tourny, weve been playing for over 3 or 4 hours but as i said we also play weekly together. And yes JB just wanted to see what others thought
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So if he knows your starting range is tight, but he"s willing to play for your stack, he must surely have better than AJ.
Fold and find a spot where you can get your chips in first.
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Marty, although hes likely to raise up an ace rag or kj kq or middle pair type hand he wont be 3 betting light, his image of me is that i have a tight opening range. This will have been around halfway through the tourny, weve been playing for over 3 or 4 hours but as i said we also play weekly together. And yes JB just wanted to see what others thought
If this is a case then u gta throw it away - def include this in ur op - its a key piece of info.
So if he knows your starting range is tight, but he"s willing to play for your stack, he must surely have better than AJ.
Fold and find a spot where you can get your chips in first.
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Marty, although hes likely to raise up an ace rag or kj kq or middle pair type hand he wont be 3 betting light, his image of me is that i have a tight opening range. This will have been around halfway through the tourny, weve been playing for over 3 or 4 hours but as i said we also play weekly together. And yes JB just wanted to see what others thought
If this is a case then u gta throw it away - def include this in ur op - its a key piece of info.
So if he knows your starting range is tight, but he"s willing to play for your stack, he must surely have better than AJ.
Fold and find a spot where you can get your chips in first.
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What if he knows we know what he thinks we know, get em in now!!
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The fact i have no Fold Equity change ur opinion mal?
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The fact i have no Fold Equity change ur opinion mal?
Depends. . . . ..
1. How much is the buy in and what are you playing for?
2. How many runners, are you near the money? Do u care about getting in the money/ minor placings. . .. .?
If you do, maybe pass, but if you actually want to try and win the tourney you CANNOT PASS HERE ! ! ! ;) ;)
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my experience of play like this in tournies like this indicates he has AQ crushed when he r/r an EP raiser but it depends upon his competance, if decent, only hope he has JJ. I presume in tournies like this the average stack is pretty shallow so i may find a fold depending on my read of the opponent and then go nuts restealing ftw.
i don"t often fold in spots like this but as described it may be correct, especially if table is tight and i can shift my stack in quite often to take blinds/antes.
You have the read so you should assign him a range of hands he 3bets you with, then pokerstove his range vs AQ, work out the math and hey presto
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The fact i have no Fold Equity change ur opinion mal?
No.
If he showed you JJ would you call?
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buy in was a tenner and only 24 runners, 120 for first. around 15/16 left at this point.
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I was trying to avoid racing as i felt i could get it in better than that but against his range here i would guess there are no hands where im a favourite and prob only two hands im racing with
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thinking you can always get it in better than racing in a tournament (esp fast structure etc) is a fallacy imo.
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i would say that you need a clear plan before you make any play with this hand.
if your plan is to raise fold then you are turning aqs in to a bluff - you may as well open with 72o.
perhaps a raise of 800 would be more suitable? a) looks like aces from early position to some players. b) if he now re-raises it would be in the region of 2400 - 2600. thus allowing you to get away from the hand or see a flop cheaper if you think he is just at it.
imo i dont think you should be opening any pot with you stack size unless you willing to get it in.
cheers
Jas
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Ok maybe i phrased my last post wrong, if i think theres a chance im racing for my whole stack then i want to be the one moving my stack in unless i think im crushing some of the hands they are going to reraise me with. The way it played out i was effectively going to have to call off 12 bb"s more when i felt i was crushed. My plan playing the hand is obviously not to raise fold but there was almost no 3 betting from anybody for most of the tournament. The other thing is as ive pointed out i know the player that reraises me would almost definately be flatting with 77-99 or hands like kj through to possibly even ak. Against other players i would probably have to call all in (maybe). If my stack had been another thousand smaller to begin with i would probably move all in first into the pot, i guess maybe in this case it comes down to knowing your player and against an unknown maybe the best thing to do is effectively call all in
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The fact i have no Fold Equity change ur opinion mal?
No.
If he showed you JJ would you call?
if you don"t. . . quit now !!
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buy in was a tenner and only 24 runners, 120 for first. around 15/16 left at this point.
just seen this. . . . .
F*** it . . . this buy-in/runners. . .i"m all-in.... and probably blind..lol!!