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Title: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: Waz1892 on July 09, 2009, 21:04:26 PM
Hi,

simply - HELP...I"m tired of getting bad beats (won"t mention it again) online, but more than that, I"m sick and tired of getting sooo mad about it. I physical feel myself boiling up.

for example..I played a simple tournie...KQ, 4x bb...1 caller...K high flop...all in, got called by K2....runner runner for straight....ffs. not a major beat, just a stupid call by matey..unavoidable, but i wanna actually go mad and shout (im a timid shy guy in the real world!!)

Went cash and blew my roll in around 20mins. ffs.

I play with no distractions, (Tv, internet etc) have my i-pod in..and do focus ( so i believe)

yet time and time again, i **** myself.   I have joined a new site, with the user name Discipline as a reminder, and a password that i have to type in which ensures im ready to play and in the right mood.

Im stuck... any tips?    ???
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: mal666 on July 09, 2009, 21:08:52 PM
There`s nothing wrong with steaming just don`t get mad at your money.
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: AMRN on July 09, 2009, 21:32:31 PM
avoid the cash tables when you"re steaming from a bad beat.

Just remember - you REALLY WANTED that call with K2!!
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: Honeybadg on July 09, 2009, 21:35:38 PM

Hi,

simply - HELP...I"m tired of getting bad beats (won"t mention it again) online, but more than that, I"m sick and tired of getting sooo mad about it. I physical feel myself boiling up.

for example..I played a simple tournie...KQ, 4x bb...1 caller...K high flop...all in, got called by K2....runner runner for straight....ffs. not a major beat, just a stupid call by matey..unavoidable, but i wanna actually go mad and shout (im a timid shy guy in the real world!!)

Went cash and blew my roll in around 20mins. ffs.

I play with no distractions, (Tv, internet etc) have my i-pod in..and do focus ( so i believe)

yet time and time again, i fuk myself.   I have joined a new site, with the user name Discipline as a reminder, and a password that i have to type in which ensures im ready to play and in the right mood.

Im stuck... any tips?    ???


Getting mad is ultimately your choice ... if you enjoy getting mad keep getting mad ... if you don"t STOP!

It"s up to you ...

L
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: mal666 on July 09, 2009, 21:45:12 PM
Give the cat a right good kick, instant remorse removes the anger.
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: Waz1892 on July 09, 2009, 22:03:33 PM
all very valid help....TY...it was around 3 hours and it still bothering me, that can"t be right!

playing too much % of bankroll at a time maybe the reason?

each hit hurts too much, I think that is the main issue  -that and i have no control over poker rage!!

(that and road rage, when 1 lane is closed for 800 yards, but cars still go past you and try to nip in further down.... >:( )
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: mal666 on July 09, 2009, 22:06:33 PM

all very valid help....TY...it was around 3 hours and it still bothering me, that can"t be right!

playing too much % of bankroll at a time maybe the reason?

each hit hurts too much, I think that is the main issue  -that and i have no control over poker rage!!

(that and road rage, when 1 lane is closed for 800 yards, but cars still go past you and try to nip in further down.... >:( )


Lol, why queue when you can nip past? What winds me up is when the wagon drivers span both lanes so you cant get past.
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: Waz1892 on July 09, 2009, 22:11:22 PM


all very valid help....TY...it was around 3 hours and it still bothering me, that can"t be right!

playing too much % of bankroll at a time maybe the reason?

each hit hurts too much, I think that is the main issue  -that and i have no control over poker rage!!

(that and road rage, when 1 lane is closed for 800 yards, but cars still go past you and try to nip in further down.... >:( )


Lol, why queue when you can nip past? What winds me up is when the wagon drivers span both lanes so you cant get past.


LOL/....i edited my original post because i started to think about doing that!!..but didn"t wanna come across as a job-worth!!  :D
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: LongshanksED on July 09, 2009, 22:57:40 PM
ive seen me burst a bankroll many a time with similar experiences

i took the advice in one mag once on having a proper bankroll and one for when drunk/on tilt

i play my silly money on gala and when i take bad beats i seem to play in silly super turbos -60 chips and blinds start at 10/20

seen me take many a big bankroll hit playinjg these trying to even out the bad beats
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: Waz1892 on July 10, 2009, 07:58:47 AM

ive seen me burst a bankroll many a time with similar experiences

i took the advice in one mag once on having a proper bankroll and one for when drunk/on tilt

i play my silly money on gala and when i take bad beats i seem to play in silly super turbos -60 chips and blinds start at 10/20

seen me take many a big bankroll hit playinjg these trying to even out the bad beats


like having a poket site just to play when ur steaming -this could work!
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: CrizzyConnor on July 10, 2009, 10:39:44 AM
Volume ftw...

How many games at a time or in any one session do you play? I used to play one or two (maximum) tournies at a time or per session. Now I play 3 or 4 and if I am only playing one or two I am winding down at the end of a session or have another ready to fire up once busted. Get into the mindset that it"s only one tourney and another one will be along in a minute if you"re one or two tabling or if you"re 4 tabling you normally wont have time to get mad as the other tables will need attention - I make my decision then immediately switch focus to another table... If your playing volume you get used to going out of tournies and seeing numerous bad beats, it"s a part of poker everyone needs to get used to. Shhh happens and it IS true that you want those calls in the long run, you just don"t really see the rewards of the long run for a while if you"re one/two tabling imo.
Title: Volume
Post by: Swinebag on July 10, 2009, 11:24:39 AM
Top posting chris. Volume ftw!! Great for the mindset.
Title: Re: Volume
Post by: mal666 on July 10, 2009, 11:30:56 AM

Top posting chris. Volume ftw!! Great for the mindset.

In a way yes, but if he really cant control his tilt rage he will likely go bust on every open table.
Title: Re: Volume
Post by: CrizzyConnor on July 10, 2009, 11:51:17 AM


Top posting chris. Volume ftw!! Great for the mindset.

In a way yes, but if he really cant control his tilt rage he will likely go bust on every open table.


Yeah at first but I do honestly believe it will eventually help with the tilt. I used to go on super tilt when busting from tournies but playing more tables/tournies, seeing more hands and being forced to care a little less about each one due to being slightly less focussed on one specific table definitely helped me tilt less. You lose a slight edge with less focus per table but it"s worth it imo.
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: Mikeyboy9361 on July 10, 2009, 11:56:59 AM
Main thing is to stay away from the cash tables when your steaming, cos you just end up chasing and we all know what happens then. Been there done that!
Personally I have stopped playing cash altogether and play one or two table SNGs, this way a bad beat only tends to cost you that one buy in. This is working for me and I am building my roll back from a very precarious position.
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: mike saban on July 10, 2009, 13:40:20 PM
Recommend reading - The Poker Mindest by Matthew Hilger and Ian Taylor, I found it very interesting and for a good time, beats didnt bother me too much, thinking on its probably time I took my own advice and reread it.
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: kinboshi on July 10, 2009, 15:26:18 PM
What are you getting angry at, them making a bad call, or the fact they"ve outdrawn you?
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: George2Loose on July 10, 2009, 17:38:28 PM
just get mad- tilting off 2k can help
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: samuel_9 on July 10, 2009, 19:21:34 PM
wee all get bad beats and get mad wee all say  something like aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa u luky baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast? how can u call with that u fish  or something in thoses lines  so what do you do      you could head but you husband     or even better take up yoga and learn how 2 relex its very easy  remember patience a virtue you dont see pros tilt very often      so as franky goes toohollywood says RELEX dont do it if you want to loose all your money RELEX  RELEX RELEX
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: lukybugur on July 10, 2009, 20:24:26 PM
 ::)

Lack of something, definitely.
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: Waz1892 on July 10, 2009, 20:36:48 PM

What are you getting angry at, them making a bad call, or the fact they"ve outdrawn you?


both, but this isn"t a poor ole me thread..heck i have had worse beats as we all have had, and will continue to get, it is just it effects me so much. It shouldn"t I know but it does.

I"m really struggling at the moment to build a roll to climb the ladders to supposedly play better players, whilst still learning myself. 

I have a lot to learn I know, but with my level being at the bottom buy ins , i want to move up, but just get so annoyed at getting annoyed when SSh happens.

options -

1) quit, im just not cut out for it.
2) save up and buy in a roll bigger and keep playing, but more focussed, disciplined, and volume games ftw.

i saw recently at 5/10 the bankroll should be $200
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: samuel_9 on July 10, 2009, 21:06:40 PM
try this play 2 tournys every day for 2weeks the same ones  you should get a good result  its worked for me and a few other players ino remember the same 2 every day  try it and see
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: Waz1892 on July 10, 2009, 21:07:51 PM

try this play 2 tournys every day for 2weeks the same ones  you should get a good result  its worked for me and a few other players ino remember the same 2 every day  try it and see


will do.....TY..,may post results!
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: WASP on July 10, 2009, 21:10:44 PM
1.  There are no such things as bad beats
2.  KQ 4 x raise WTF?
3.  Volume FTW
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: samuel_9 on July 10, 2009, 21:36:11 PM
primeval forever  poker for never says the wife                             yeah rite
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: kinboshi on July 11, 2009, 12:33:06 PM


What are you getting angry at, them making a bad call, or the fact they"ve outdrawn you?


both, but this isn"t a poor ole me thread..heck i have had worse beats as we all have had, and will continue to get, it is just it effects me so much. It shouldn"t I know but it does.

I"m really struggling at the moment to build a roll to climb the ladders to supposedly play better players, whilst still learning myself. 

I have a lot to learn I know, but with my level being at the bottom buy ins , i want to move up, but just get so annoyed at getting annoyed when SSh happens.

options -

1) quit, im just not cut out for it.
2) save up and buy in a roll bigger and keep playing, but more focussed, disciplined, and volume games ftw.

i saw recently at 5/10 the bankroll should be $200


Why are you getting angry with him making the call?  That"s how you make profit as a poker player - other players making mistakes.  So why get angry about it?

As others have said, play more volume.  Then you can get beyond getting upset at variance.
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: Swinebag on July 11, 2009, 14:06:03 PM
this [youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGPhUr-T6UM[/youtube]
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: mal666 on July 11, 2009, 17:00:35 PM
[flash]http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/replayer.swf?pokerhandid=667621[/flash]
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: Waz1892 on July 11, 2009, 20:42:17 PM

[flash]http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/replayer.swf?pokerhandid=667621[/flash]


whats the link Mal?..can"t get it to work, if that is what it is for?    ???
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: mal666 on July 11, 2009, 20:55:14 PM


[flash]http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/replayer.swf?pokerhandid=667621[/flash]


whats the link Mal?..can"t get it to work, if that is what it is for?    ???

Thought i deleted it tbh, was just a beat from today.
Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: Waz1892 on July 11, 2009, 20:57:55 PM



[flash]http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/replayer.swf?pokerhandid=667621[/flash]


whats the link Mal?..can"t get it to work, if that is what it is for?    ???

Thought i deleted it tbh, was just a beat from today.


ok just curious, and unlucky on the beat!

Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: TopPair2Pair on July 11, 2009, 22:29:50 PM
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What winds me up is when the wagon drivers span both lanes so you cant get past.

Agreed, whats worse is when the cheeky fooker in the slow lane speeds up so the pleb in the middle lane cant overtake em! And your stuck behind the pled in the middle and no feck"n numpty in the fast lane will let you over take these jive turkey lorry driving gut bargers.

RE Discipline and tilt, I suggest spreading your roll across a few different sites I know it sounds daft but subconsioulsy I feel much better, epsecially if I havent played on a site for a while and swicth over to them when running a bit bad else where.

That volume thing as well.

Also... smile in the face of variance... its part of poker and if you can develope a good mental reaction to badbeats then overall you"ll become an better player imo if afterwards your throwing money away.

Title: Re: disclipline / or lack of
Post by: mal666 on July 12, 2009, 17:30:12 PM
Comedy beat, you are not alone this guy must be sick.
Table "176962262 186" 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: mal666 (17075 in chips)
Seat 2: algodonales (1025 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: kaziu1962 (3370 in chips)
Seat 4: zockerotti (9675 in chips)
Seat 5: SERGEI14 (1605 in chips)
Seat 6: EveryHand666 (4960 in chips)
Seat 7: Flybrazilian (26725 in chips)
Seat 8: MIRONATOR (4015 in chips)
Seat 9: Coinbuck (18920 in chips)
mal666: posts the ante 25
algodonales: posts the ante 25
kaziu1962: posts the ante 25
zockerotti: posts the ante 25
SERGEI14: posts the ante 25
EveryHand666: posts the ante 25
Flybrazilian: posts the ante 25
MIRONATOR: posts the ante 25
Coinbuck: posts the ante 25
Flybrazilian: posts small blind 125
MIRONATOR: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mal666 [Qh Ac]
Coinbuck: folds
mal666: raises 500 to 750
algodonales: folds
kaziu1962: raises 2595 to 3345 and is all-in
zockerotti: calls 3345
SERGEI14: folds
EveryHand666: folds
Flybrazilian: folds
MIRONATOR: folds
mal666: raises 13705 to 17050 and is all-in
zockerotti: calls 6305 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (7400) returned to mal666
*** FLOP *** [Js 5c 5s]
*** TURN *** [Js 5c 5s] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [Js 5c 5s 5d] [5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mal666: shows [Qh Ac] (four of a kind, Fives)
zockerotti: shows [Qc Qs] (four of a kind, Fives - lower kicker)
mal666 collected 12610 from side pot
kaziu1962: shows [Ks Th] (four of a kind, Fives - lower kicker)
mal666 collected 10635 from main pot
Kingm4chine is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 23245 Main pot 10635. Side pot 12610. | Rake 0
Board [Js 5c 5s 5d 5h]
Seat 1: mal666 showed [Qh Ac] and won (23245) with four of a kind, Fives
Seat 3: kaziu1962 showed [Ks Th] and lost with four of a kind, Fives
Seat 4: zockerotti showed [Qc Qs] and lost with four of a kind, Fives