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Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: nosey-p on September 26, 2007, 20:44:48 PM
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How long do you have to be on a bad run, before you are classed as a bad player?
I have been playing for about 3 years. Starting from a £20 deposit, I have never had to reload. Starting with $2 STT I have worked my way up to playing $20 / $30. I use the profit from the STT to enter MTT, when I cash in them, that's my profit. I have dun this for 2 ½ years with some good results. But now I can not even cash in a STT never mind winning one. It's been like this now for 6 months does this mean I am a bad player?
Over all I am still a winning player by about £5000 but the last 6 month I have seen my bank roll disappear (not the £5000 that's what I have withdrawn) does this make me a bad player? I am now back down to playing $5 STT and still loosing. (A can not afford the buy in for the apat's ;D)
Was I lucky for 2 ½ years and that I have always been a bad player?
As my game change, thinking that I was better than I really am?
Is this just variance?
Is there a difference between an unlucky player and a bad player?
Can anybody suggest a new game for me to play as one more month of this and its buy buy poker and hello tidily winks
At what point does a ban run make you a bad player?
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Nosey.....you"ve always been a bad player!!!!
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:o
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A Couple of points to consider.
Firstly you need to evalulate your own plays, and if necessary break your game back down to basics. Have you given yourself a complete break from poker (a couple of wees at least!)
What hands are you losing chips with? are there particular hands that get you into trouble? (I used to have a major problem with pkt 9s)
Do you adjust your play to the level/buy-in you are playing at? Plays that work well at higher levels can sometimes fail miserably at lower levels.
Do you use any tracker software? if so, have you studied the most important stats - YOURS!
Do you have any books, do you read and reread them regulary?
I hope the above is helpful. ;D
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Wayne, you"ve won an APAT online event and come second twice (I believe ?) - those are not the results of a bad player.
The only thing I can suggest is join in our home games before your luck changes ;D
In all seriousness, Biffa"s comments are worth looking at. It could also be that you"re not doing anything wrong at all. You"ve got to remember that you can still lose games without doing anything wrong.
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i can sympathise with you as i started playing around 5 yrs ago, only started on freerolls and 10c giveaways on VC to build a bankroll (tight jock) didnt put any of my own money in. ;D
it was the late last year the cold deck arrived and didnt go away until around July this year, like you i had to come all the way down the levels to save the bankroll, even now i still dont like going above the $10 stt level, bad vibes and still the outdraws as usuall. >:(
however i had to realise after looking at my stats and play that i was going in ahead in the majority of cases and being out drawn by worse hands :"( so it was not my play but others which you cant do much about, if they want to come with you with those worse hands then suck out on you, we have to accept it happens.
i have come to believe that as long as i go in ahead then i am playing a winning game 8)
i know this doesnt really answer your question but hope it gives you hope and can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
for my live play practice i use the nutspokerleague, last two seasons i`ve been top of the pile in scotland on points. i do tend to play 2 or 3 times a week so that does help ;D but i did win my league last season and only lost this seasons league last night by 20pts :"(
hope your cards get warmer
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Wayne, you"ve won an APAT online event and come second twice (I believe ?) - those are not the results of a bad player.
The only thing I can suggest is join in our home games before your luck changes ;D
In all seriousness, Biffa"s comments are worth looking at. It could also be that you"re not doing anything wrong at all. You"ve got to remember that you can still lose games without doing anything wrong.
Yes
i have also come 4th and 6th but all last year
i did take a break for about a week, drop down levels and i have gone back to playing ABC poker ( i don"t play 7 2 anymore ;))
Lets hope that the APAT on-line brings improvment for me
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Lets hope ur at my table then lol
only joking, class is permanent form is temporary, tahts how i think it goes
take each hand one by one and you should know by now if your playing the hand correctly, thats the one plus, variance is easy to spot
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Another thing
however i had to realise after looking at my stats and play that i was going in ahead in the majority of cases and being out drawn by worse hands :"( so it was not my play but others which you cant do much about, if they want to come with you with those worse hands then suck out on you, we have to accept it happens.
i have come to believe that as long as i go in ahead then i am playing a winning game 8)
I went through the same thinking, but came to a different conclusion.
In cash games, yes - putting your chips in when you"re ahead is rarely the wrong thing to do. If you are a much better player than the opposition, it could be argued that you can wait for a better spot that you know will come (of course, can you actually know you"ll get this opportunity?). Why risk a 55/45 when you know a 75/25 is just round the corner?
However, in tournaments you want to keep hold of your chips - especially early doors. Racing for your tournament life, even when you"re ahead might be a positive EV move in terms of the maths for that hand, but do you want to be risking your tournament life against a player you know you"re better than, when you can get hold of their chips with less of a risk.
I was doing the same thing during my bad run. I was putting myself at the mercy of variance, rather than avoiding these "coin flip" situations and getting my money in when I"m in a stronger situation.
Or am I talking nonsense. Again...
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Table selection is another area to consider. It"s another area that I"ve been less careful about during my poorer months.
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However, in tournaments you want to keep hold of your chips - especially early doors. Racing for your tournament life, even when you"re ahead might be a positive EV move in terms of the maths for that hand, but do you want to be risking your tournament life against a player you know you"re better than, when you can get hold of their chips with less of a risk.
I was doing the same thing during my bad run. I was putting myself at the mercy of variance, rather than avoiding these "coin flip" situations and getting my money in when I"m in a stronger situation.
Or am I talking nonsense. Again...
Doesn"t sound like nonsense to me, sounds more like common sense.
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Should you play through a bad run? Continue playing STT / MTT / CASH or should you concentrate on your best game? (in my case STT) or should you put your feet up for a month?
All what kinboshi says makes sense to me
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All what kinboshi says makes sense to me
Quoted for future generations...;D
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i feel for you Wayne, we all go through these patches.
best thing to do, is play your ABC game, play whare you feel most at home STT"s in your case now.
Try not to lose your love for the game, if it becomes a chore stop, rethink and return when you feel happy.
Finally reember varience is huge on MTT,s stick to Stt"s till your back in winnung mode then return to MTT"s.
Good luck.
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Well said Brendan.
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Try not to lose your love for the game, if it becomes a chore stop, rethink and return when you feel happy.
Good advice , recharge/rest, play your fav gme and slowly put the gremlins to rest.
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A different times the following seem to have helped me:
a. Slow down, give it your total "A game" (I feel that this can be a little difficult sometimes online, due to the sheer number of tourneys u can play - with alot of distractions)
b. Try freshening things up a bit - why not try HU/6 handed/ or another poker game altogether??
c. Go UP the stakes. Yes I did say UP. You may find it increases your concentration and kicks in your A game, but also the players at higher stakes may understand (interpret differently?) some of the moves u make - in comparison to lower level players. I actually find it easier playing $100 + tourneys than $10 stakes.
d. Take a break and play Live poker only for a period.
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I have just won my first STT in two weeks
I am on the road back
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Left at the next lights -- then right -- lol stay focused
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c. Go UP the stakes. Yes I did say UP. You may find it increases your concentration and kicks in your A game, but also the players at higher stakes may understand (interpret differently?) some of the moves u make - in comparison to lower level players. I actually find it easier playing $100 + tourneys than $10 stakes.
funny you say this, the missus has been giving me stick lately saying i should be moving up the levels again. ???
well last night i did try a higher MTT than i usually do, guess what ;D
i went on to win it, very nice thanks. :o it did tend to bring out the A game and aid in concentration.
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Be careful if you play above your bankroll for any length of time though. A run of "variance" and your roll can be obliterated.
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Ah good, everything in the poker garden is rosie again. ah
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Winning yet, Wayne?
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This goes back abit.
It"s strange that you should bring this post up, I"m on a stinker of a run, the worst of my poker career. I won (split 3 ways) at the Team Champ in stoke (side event) since then not one cash live or online, and before then I was going through a dry spell. So in answer to your question NO :"(
Taking a break for the summer so you wont be seeing me on the tables (unless APAT comes to Yorkshire ;))
You must have plenty of time on your hands to back 7 yeras of posts
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Taking a break for the summer so you wont be seeing me on the tables (unless APAT comes to Yorkshire ;))
You"ll know SOOOOOOOON :)
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Taking a break for the summer so you wont be seeing me on the tables (unless APAT comes to Yorkshire ;))
You"ll know SOOOOOOOON :)
This would suggest the Yorkshire folk will be happy
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Taking a break for the summer so you wont be seeing me on the tables (unless APAT comes to Yorkshire ;))
You"ll know SOOOOOOOON :)
This would suggest the Yorkshire folk will be happy
Not the way I intended the comment....9 hours to go