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Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: antthecat on July 27, 2009, 23:33:04 PM
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i have just come back from a tourney at norwich and just want to air a few things that bug me (opinions are very welcome)
1. winning player saying "sick" as they win a pot off me by getting lucky, why say that, dont i have a chance to moan, they are doing it for me
2. eating pizza, i cant stand the smell of melted cheese(if it was meant to be melted, why do we keep it in the fridge?) and the player to my left was wolfing down a 12" and i was contemplating barfing up just to put them off, also when he had to deal, he did not clean his hands so greasy pizza all over the cards(makes dealing terrible)
3. B.O, player to my right absolutley stunk, i had to keep pushing the pot to him so he did not expose his armpits, i cant say anything as i am too polite but what do i do?
you could put a morale on this and its no pun but it was a "sick" evening and it was putting me off and wanting to demolish my massive chip stack(which i did in spectacular fashion, went all in 5 times, called 2 times and i did not look at my hole cards once)
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i have just come back from a tourney at norwich and just want to air a few things that bug me (opinions are very welcome)
OH dear 50p"s at the ready
1. winning player saying "sick" as they win a pot off me by getting lucky, why say that, dont i have a chance to moan, they are doing it for me
Smack the fecker it"s just rude not to let you moan first
2. eating pizza, i cant stand the smell of melted cheese(if it was meant to be melted, why do we keep it in the fridge?) and the player to my left was wolfing down a 12" and i was contemplating barfing up just to put them off, also when he had to deal, he did not clean his hands so greasy pizza all over the cards(makes dealing terrible)
Purchase a custard pie an throw it at him when he is trying to riffle
3. B.O, player to my right absolutley stunk, i had to keep pushing the pot to him so he did not expose his armpits, i cant say anything as i am too polite but what do i do?
Tell him he stinks and has a HUGE problem with it and give him a boots voucher rolled up and in the eye
you could put a morale on this and its no pun but it was a "sick" evening and it was putting me off and wanting to demolish my massive chip stack(which i did in spectacular fashion, went all in 5 times, called 2 times and i did not look at my hole cards once)
Standard play in my opinion
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1. winning player saying "sick" as they win a pot off me by getting lucky, why say that, dont i have a chance to moan, they are doing it for me
Whoops, hands up time. I"m guilty of this....sorry :-[ :-[
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nah your fine, as long as you are not eating pizza with sweaty armpits at the time i dont mind usually.
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I"m fine with all of them, except the BO.
It would put me off my pizza, and me winning that sick, sick hand.
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i"m more bothered when people take ages, don"t pay attention etc.
always amazed how distracted people can get when they are playing live, how many other things do you have to consider when it comes to acting in turn, deciding preflop action, posting blinds/antes etc?
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was playing at DTD a couple of weeks ago and there was a guy at our cash table playing chess on his iPaq and constantly having to be told action was on him. this was annoying, but what put me on tilt was when the dealer told me to put my phone away or leave the table as my texting might slow the game down!!
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the term "sick" is a proper American-ism- Canadianism.....(they also say it in Australia). British people who say sick whilst playing poker, have probably been watching to much poker after dark and High stakes.
This includes me unfortunatly. Iv started saying sick in other areas of my life which is very annoying to me and my friends.
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Iv started saying sick in other areas of my life which is very annoying to me and my friends.
really? that"s just way too sick dude
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i just was frustrated that before i could say nice hand, he blurted out sick, let the loser speak or moan first.
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sounded a great game what time next week
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rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaalllllllllllllppppppppppphhhhhhhhhhhhh
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When some one calls or raises your preflop re raise with suited connectors and bingos your aces or kings forthe 3rd time in as many orbits with runner runner turn and river for straights and flushes
lesson- don"t expect the standard ina pub league to be too high
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the one that makes me laugh is when you raise and the BB folds and shows an ace
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People calling for a misdeal when something has gone wrong in the deal. Most times it isn"t a misdeal - just carry on. Most hands that have been dealt won"t be good hands, so every bugger starts shouting misdeal and wanting to muck their cards. I usually try to rein them in by telling them that their hand is dead if they throw in their cards. Happened yet again on a cash table recently when I reraised preflop and the next player then discovered he had three cards. I said his cards are dead but the hand plays on. He said he doesn"t have to look at his cards until its his turn. Everyone else had junk and mucked their hands. Called for a ruling and the casino incorrectly ruled a misdeal.
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People who say "I know I"m behind but I have to call". If they know they"re behind, WHY CALL??
People who say "I know I"m ahead, but I fold". Ditto above comment.
People who make outrageously bad calls aiming for a gut shot draw when you"ve just overbet the pot, then when they hit they proceed to give a lecture about how pot odds work and why they had to call cos they were getting such good odds.
People who claim at the end of every hand.. "dammit I woulda had a house there"..... yes matey, but only if you had called your whole stack against that raise and re-raise preflop with your 83o
People who have folded preflop, but then make it obvious that they would have hit the flop just as the post flop action starts.
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you can correctly call when you are behind
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you can correctly call when you are behind
I meant after the river. Can"t imagine when that could be correct.
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Self-deal games where people take about 2 minutes to shuffle, shuffle a bit more, shuffle again and then do a bit more shuffling, oblivious to blinds going up, effect on short-stacks and just the general annoyance of delaying the game.
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muppets who go allin with 77 for 6k when first position has raised 4bb blinds were 3/6 and has 8k currently 3rd in comp what were they thinking i had
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min raise after about 6 callers in the first or second level, whats that all about?
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muppets who go allin with 77 for 6k when first position has raised 4bb blinds were 3/6 and has 8k currently 3rd in comp what were they thinking i had
lol u not over that one yet???
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People who say "I know I"m behind but I have to call". If they know they"re behind, WHY CALL??
People who say "I know I"m ahead, but I fold". Ditto above comment.
People who make outrageously bad calls aiming for a gut shot draw when you"ve just overbet the pot, then when they hit they proceed to give a lecture about how pot odds work and why they had to call cos they were getting such good odds.
People who claim at the end of every hand.. "dammit I woulda had a house there"..... yes matey, but only if you had called your whole stack against that raise and re-raise preflop with your 83o
People who have folded preflop, but then make it obvious that they would have hit the flop just as the post flop action starts.
Is there a rule regarding this?
It happened to me at the Scottish APAT event where I raised preflop and had 1 caller. The guy to my left folded and then made it obvious he would have hit the flop. I missed the flop and felt that his actions reduced my chance of taking the pot with a c bet. Bloody annoying but don"t think he meant it or wasn"t experienced enough to understand the consequence of his actions.
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in that case i think you should just point out that such behaviour is not really acceptable.
obviously if he persists and should know better then he should get warned, anything more sinister and maybe a penalty would be in order from the TD but i doubt it would come to that
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Two things that should be banned at the poker table;
1) Eating - Sticky cards and greasy chips, not nice. Also player constantly needs reminding when it is his turn, slows the game down.
2) Massages - Absolutely gross. I don"t want to see someones flab re arranged whilst playing poker.
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had a situation at the wales poker league venue - now i know the standard isnt great but I use it as practice for my live game (making reads etc) however get AQsuited in BB all bar one limps in , decided to narrow the field and raise 5 X BB (500) , get reraised (1500) however all the other limpers call - I fold knowing that at best im 50/50 but am probably looking at least at QQ KK or AA
the dealer looks at my folded cards and says (you folded that???) deals the flop then gives me a knowing lookwhen I have top pair top kicker
turns out the reraiser had KK but some muppet with JQ hits a straight and knocks every one out
whilst its nice to be proved right the dealer then announces what I folded preflop
now yes this is a points league and I dont turn up very often and when I do its to keep my hand in playing live poker but this kind of behaviour seemed to be acceptable to every one else . I say nothing knowing Im the new boy in the group but not wanting to kick off but also thinking if this was for money Id have shoved my cards down his throat
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Hmmmm. Show one person show all. If the dealer wasn"t playing then fine
it"s one thing to let other see your cards if you"ve folded (some of us do it in our pub league too)
it"s another for the person to announce what you had
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that was my point - I folded the cards face down the dealer fished em out then looked at them now at that point he had allready been eliminated but should i face him in future weeks he has an idea of my range,
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people who cry :"( when they get their "nut" hand cracked - then do exactly the same to someone else - but thats ok!!
whats good for the goose...........
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Ant with regards to the pizza, you could"ve offered to deal for him until he"s finished eating.(would much prefer no eating), Then hint to wash hands b4 he deals. I LMFAO at dukes reply, buy a custard pie... ;D
I try not to make comments such as, "sick" yet i pay no attention to the ones who spew crap, can only lead you towards tilting, if you bite/react. Just take the chips back next time, hopefully they"ll miss their draws ;)
Don"t really see what you can do about someones(lack of) personal hygene. Maybe a peg on your nose, or point a minifan in their direction, this may cause you to look somewhat daft if not smelly :D
I have many issues with bad ettiquette at live games, far too many to mention. Also wouldn"t like certain people to have that info to use, they are out there :P
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People calling for a misdeal when something has gone wrong in the deal. Most times it isn"t a misdeal - just carry on. Most hands that have been dealt won"t be good hands, so every bugger starts shouting misdeal and wanting to muck their cards. I usually try to rein them in by telling them that their hand is dead if they throw in their cards. Happened yet again on a cash table recently when I reraised preflop and the next player then discovered he had three cards. I said his cards are dead but the hand plays on. He said he doesn"t have to look at his cards until its his turn. Everyone else had junk and mucked their hands. Called for a ruling and the casino incorrectly ruled a misdeal.
Depends on the house rules, that could be a misdeal.
If you take Robert"s Rules (for example), if a player is dealt an extra card and action hasn"t taken place - then it"s a misdeal. Action is considered to occur when two players after the blinds have acted on their hands. So if you"re the only player to have acted when the extra card is discovered - it"s a misdeal. If "action" has taken place, then it"s not a misdeal.
Someone had raised and I reraised. Then a player discovered he had three cards. Therefore the hand is live and its tough cheese for him. I expected to get some sense from the cardroom manager, although the dealer and all the players agreed it was a misdeal, but he just went with the flow, so all I could do was tell him he had made an incorrect ruling and show him his error the next day. Everywhere you go, players call for a misdeal at any opportunity, which is pure angle-shooting, to put it kindly.
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Bugs ? At the table ? ? ?
Surely MI5 are breaching our civil rights by doing this ? !
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People calling for a misdeal when something has gone wrong in the deal. Most times it isn"t a misdeal - just carry on. Most hands that have been dealt won"t be good hands, so every bugger starts shouting misdeal and wanting to muck their cards. I usually try to rein them in by telling them that their hand is dead if they throw in their cards. Happened yet again on a cash table recently when I reraised preflop and the next player then discovered he had three cards. I said his cards are dead but the hand plays on. He said he doesn"t have to look at his cards until its his turn. Everyone else had junk and mucked their hands. Called for a ruling and the casino incorrectly ruled a misdeal.
Depends on the house rules, that could be a misdeal.
If you take Robert"s Rules (for example), if a player is dealt an extra card and action hasn"t taken place - then it"s a misdeal. Action is considered to occur when two players after the blinds have acted on their hands. So if you"re the only player to have acted when the extra card is discovered - it"s a misdeal. If "action" has taken place, then it"s not a misdeal.
Someone had raised and I reraised. Then a player discovered he had three cards. Therefore the hand is live and its tough cheese for him. I expected to get some sense from the cardroom manager, although the dealer and all the players agreed it was a misdeal, but he just went with the flow, so all I could do was tell him he had made an incorrect ruling and show him his error the next day. Everywhere you go, players call for a misdeal at any opportunity, which is pure angle-shooting, to put it kindly.
I agree it was a bad ruling in this case - although it might well be their house rules. That"s the problem with not having a consistent set of rules being enforced everywhere.
I"m not sure everyone who claims it"s a misdeal is angle-shooting though. Many just think that"s the way these things are dealt with. Undoubtedly though, there are people who angle-shoot at every opportunity. They need shooting.
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Undoubtedly though, there are people who angle-shoot at every opportunity. They need shooting.
BANG!
;D
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Undoubtedly though, there are people who angle-shoot at every opportunity. They need shooting.
BANG!
;D
Yeah !
Bring back lynch mobs ! !
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Undoubtedly though, there are people who angle-shoot at every opportunity. They need shooting.
BANG!
;D
Yeah !
Bring back lynch mobs ! !
How would bringing back lynch mobs help with the shooting of angle shooters?
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Undoubtedly though, there are people who angle-shoot at every opportunity. They need shooting.
BANG!
;D
Yeah !
Bring back lynch mobs ! !
How would bringing back lynch mobs help with the shooting of angle shooters?
Ah, bless you my simple friend.
Tis the modern, lazy mans "Lynch" mob, thus avoiding callouses and rope burns.
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Undoubtedly though, there are people who angle-shoot at every opportunity. They need shooting.
BANG!
;D
Yeah !
Bring back lynch mobs ! !
How would bringing back lynch mobs help with the shooting of angle shooters?
Ah, bless you my simple friend.
Tis the modern, lazy mans "Lynch" mob, thus avoiding callouses and rope burns.
Drive-by Lynching - Probably wont catch on in Compton..
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Lynch mobs are another thing I hate at the poker table. They are noisy and slow the game down something rotten.
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Undoubtedly though, there are people who angle-shoot at every opportunity. They need shooting.
BANG!
;D
Yeah !
Bring back lynch mobs ! !
How would bringing back lynch mobs help with the shooting of angle shooters?
Ah, bless you my simple friend.
Tis the modern, lazy mans "Lynch" mob, thus avoiding callouses and rope burns.
Drive-by Lynching - Probably wont catch on in Compton..
Well, your basic drive-by "Lynching" is very simple, just lasso the "Lynchee" as your car passes him and with the rope firmly attached to the car, drive 3.2 miles.
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Lynch mobs are another thing I hate at the poker table. They are noisy and slow the game down something rotten.
Aye, but venues like them because they shove up the bar takings.
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Undoubtedly though, there are people who angle-shoot at every opportunity. They need shooting.
BANG!
;D
Yeah !
Bring back lynch mobs ! !
How would bringing back lynch mobs help with the shooting of angle shooters?
Ah, bless you my simple friend.
Tis the modern, lazy mans "Lynch" mob, thus avoiding callouses and rope burns.
Drive-by Lynching - Probably wont catch on in Compton..
Well, your basic drive-by "Lynching" is very simple, just lasso the "Lynchee" as your car passes him and with the rope firmly attached to the car, drive 3.2 miles.
So by admisson there is no shooting involved! - which is what i belive the OP regarding shooting the angle shooter involved!
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Undoubtedly though, there are people who angle-shoot at every opportunity. They need shooting.
BANG!
;D
Yeah !
Bring back lynch mobs ! !
How would bringing back lynch mobs help with the shooting of angle shooters?
Ah, bless you my simple friend.
Tis the modern, lazy mans "Lynch" mob, thus avoiding callouses and rope burns.
Drive-by Lynching - Probably wont catch on in Compton..
Well, your basic drive-by "Lynching" is very simple, just lasso the "Lynchee" as your car passes him and with the rope firmly attached to the car, drive 3.2 miles.
So by admisson there is no shooting involved! - which is what i belive the OP regarding shooting the angle shooter involved!
Sigh.
I thought it was so obvious...
Most of the residents of Compton are genetically predisposed to being able to run really fast.
You will have to shoot them in the leg to slow them down a bit to facilitate a nice clean job of lassoing them.
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wow, there is so many bugs out there, i forgot to mention it was not pub poker, i had a vaccination and now immune to all the things that happen, i just try to make it a enjoyable experience, i have read and have to aggree that a lot of players dont know table etticate(my spelling is ropey) and believe that anything goes at the poker table, my opinion is that if you want to eat pizza, not shower and say stuff just to needle people then play online where i cant be affected (im joking, there should be etticate for online aswell).
thanks for responses
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Yes, yes, but where do you stand on the subject of "Lynch Mobs" ?
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lynch mobs are fine imo.
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lynch mobs are fine imo.
Great to hear there are some right thinking individuals on this forum.
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cant believe no one"s mentioned scouse yet
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I-Pods and their like!!! - should be banned!
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people who at showdown have a better hand than me. There is nothing worse imo
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cant believe no one"s mentioned scouse yet
Simple, it goes without saying.
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i shoved short stack with a2 on the sb, bb said "i have to call" and show pocket kings. what does he mean i have to call, imo its a aggressive snap call, throw the kings on the table and shout "woop woop"
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i shoved short stack with a2 on the sb, bb said "i have to call" and show pocket kings. what does he mean i have to call, imo its a aggressive snap call, throw the kings on the table and shout "woop woop"
Indeed, the guy is obviously being smug, you deserve to spike all the remaining Aces then go and fetch the lynch mob from the bar.
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I-Pods and their like!!! - should be banned!
Good point - I agree.
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I-Pods and their like!!! - should be banned!
Good point - I agree.
i aggree, when they are listening to music every few minutes they have to be reminded it their turn to act, "who bet, what was the raise", annoying
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Anyone who has to be told its their turn to act, should stick to online poker....i listen to music and never, lose when its my turn...so us "i-poders" are not all so bad.
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I-Pods and their like!!! - should be banned!
Good point - I agree.
i aggree, when they are listening to music every few minutes they have to be reminded it their turn to act, "who bet, what was the raise", annoying
- and they don"t realise that the sound very often escapes from their ear-things, so other people have to listen to their hissing "music". At least you can change seat if some earphone victim sits beside you on public transport, but you can"t do that at a poker table
- and they look ridiculous, especially when combined with sunglasses and a cap or hoodie - lol!
- and they look even more ridiculous when they bet and then pretend they can"t hear you and self-consiously nod along to their music as if they have no interest in whether you are going to call or not - lol again
- and they isolate the user from the social interaction, which is a big part of APAT and other poker tournaments
- and they inevitably make the user less aware of the game. Anyone who doubts the potentially disastrous consequences should ask Andy Price, who went from almost chip-leader to almost out in one hand in the APAT Welsh Open 2008, solely as a result of using an I-Pod. I sat beside him all day and he had played really well to build a big stack. In one of the final hands of the day at 1am, he said raise and tried to min-raise from 3k to 6k with 66, having not heard a previous all-in for 28k. He was made to double the all-in raise, but was then called by KK, which held up and took the lot. http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=1021.315
My main objection is having to listen to the junk coming out from them, which is pretty inconsiderate of the user. The only intelligent use of headphones is the people who have them switched off so they are actually listening to what is going on while pretending not to.
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Note to self. Wear hoodie, shades and bring MP3 player next time I"m on someone"s table... ;)
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i find its usually the people without ipods and stuff that just don"t follow the game and take ages to act. I wear an ipod occasionally and never have to be waited upon, perhaps we should ban doddery old buggers from the table?? ;)
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perhaps we should ban doddery old buggers from the table?? ;)
You"ve met Mint-trav then?
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i find its usually the people without ipods and stuff that just don"t follow the game and take ages to act. I wear an ipod occasionally and never have to be waited upon, perhaps we should ban doddery old buggers from the table?? ;)
Hoorah ! ! !
Ban everyone over 40 ! !
Fetch the lynch mob....
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Ban everyone over 40 ! !
Fetch the lynch mob....
Oi!
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Ban everyone over 40 ! !
Fetch the lynch mob....
Oi!
Go find yourself a veterans tournament granddad !
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Going to add to this thread.
Playing a Stars game at the moment and there is a guy playing very loose and sucking out on a lot of players. He"s getting a bit of stick in the chatbox which he takes in good jest. However his justification for this is,
"gotta go soon thats why"
"hoping to bust pretty soon"
Now this is a $33 tourney, which is in the first hour of play. This sort of thing, really, really bugs me at the table. ???
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R u mental!!! Thts a great thing to happen at the table - gd chance to accumulate early!!
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R u mental!!! Thts a great thing to happen at the table - gd chance to accumulate early!!
It"s not so much the style of play, as you say a great opportunity.
It"s just the need to justify it with some nonsense excuse. If that were the real reason, why even sit down in the first place.
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Sorry I"m playing atc - it"s because I"m useless.
That"s my usual excuse.
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When your playing a hand and someone calls you and says
"i"m gonna play this only because it"s you"
never know how to take that or even able to put them on a range of hands
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When your playing a hand and someone calls you and says
"i"m gonna play this only because it"s you"
never know how to take that or even able to put them on a range of hands
I prefer it when they say
"I"m folding, because it"s you" *
* Does not include Kinboshi
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Going to add to this thread.
Playing a Stars game at the moment and there is a guy playing very loose and sucking out on a lot of players. He"s getting a bit of stick in the chatbox which he takes in good jest. However his justification for this is,
"gotta go soon thats why"
"hoping to bust pretty soon"
Now this is a $33 tourney, which is in the first hour of play. This sort of thing, really, really bugs me at the table. ???
Everytime i"ve seen this happen it has been codswallop, they normally have huge hands and generally act like tossers in the chatbox when they have busted someone.
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"Because I respect you, I am going to call you"
I could have chinned the bloke (he was a **** anyway)
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Going to add to this thread.
Playing a Stars game at the moment and there is a guy playing very loose and sucking out on a lot of players. He"s getting a bit of stick in the chatbox which he takes in good jest. However his justification for this is,
"gotta go soon thats why"
"hoping to bust pretty soon"
Now this is a $33 tourney, which is in the first hour of play. This sort of thing, really, really bugs me at the table. ???
Everytime i"ve seen this happen it has been codswallop, they normally have huge hands and generally act like tossers in the chatbox when they have busted someone.
I"ve heard these quite often in live games to justify ropey calls. Another good one is "I"m bored". Sometimes "I want to go and play cash". Translation = "I don"t know whether to call or not, so I"m getting my excuse in first in case I end up looking stupid".
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Seen a guy do the "I"m bored and want to play cash" a few weeks ago
quick look and went all in utg with 4bb left. Got up and walked away saying he wanted to join the cash. 3 callers and when cards turned over he had full house when his 4 2 hit a 442 flop
so he came back and next hand on his bb the button shoved all in for 10 bb (ish) and he called blind
button had 10 10. Villian had pocket kings and was now c
almost chip leader.
Funny. He didn"t want to play cash anymore and took the game a bit more serious
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Considering renaming this thread "How to tilt APATers" ...
Oh, and I"m taking notes for next weekend. All I need to do is stay in long enough to work my way through them :D
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I still don"t understand why people get upset or tilted by anything anyone says?
Or are people just exaggerating, and these things really don"t bother them?
It annoys me when people say they"re doing stupid all ins because they have to leave soon (only when they"re actually doing it - when they"re saying it and holding pocket aces for example, it just amuses me)
It doesn"t tilt me though - i.e. it doesn"t adversely affect my decision making, it just means it"s something I have to factor in.
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I still don"t understand why people get upset or tilted by anything anyone says?
Or are people just exaggerating, and these things really don"t bother them?
It annoys me when people say they"re doing stupid all ins because they have to leave soon (only when they"re actually doing it - when they"re saying it and holding pocket aces for example, it just amuses me)
It doesn"t tilt me though - i.e. it doesn"t adversely affect my decision making, it just means it"s something I have to factor in.
I was going to respond, but I"m going to play a cash game instead...
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one that bugs me online is in cash when a player comes in, wins a big pot (off me) and then goes off. rat holeing i believe its called. they are scared to let me win it back and remove cash off a table. it bugs me
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one that bugs me online is in cash when a player comes in, wins a big pot (off me) and then goes off. rat holeing i believe its called. they are scared to let me win it back and remove cash off a table. it bugs me
Yeah me too!!
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one that bugs me online is in cash when a player comes in, wins a big pot (off me) and then goes off. rat holeing i believe its called. they are scared to let me win it back and remove cash off a table. it bugs me
Yeah me too!!
Good to see you worked out the quotes mikey!!!
Things that bug me are people just generally not paying attention and having to be reminded time and time again that it is there turn to act! then the questions start, whats the blinds? what is the action so far etc etc!
fair enough these are the people that we wanna be playing with as they are clearly not paying attention - but c"mon!! every time?!!
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one that bugs me online is in cash when a player comes in, wins a big pot (off me) and then goes off. rat holeing i believe its called. they are scared to let me win it back and remove cash off a table. it bugs me
It"s not Rat-Holing (or Going South), it"s called "Taking your winnings and leaving". Something every cash player should strive to do.
Going South can only happen in a B & M environment and is when they take money off the table but stay at the table...and is very much frowned upon.
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Its the short stackers that mostly do this....now they really bug me, their poker skills post flop are rubbish, if they were good then they would buy in deep, and yet they probably know they cant play poker post flop.
some short stackers make lots of money doing this strategy, and it gets on my nerves.
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exactly every short stack comes on, cracks my kings with a2off and run, they are only there for two minutes. its happened to me too many times so that is one reason why i dont play online. i know we should take our winnings but at least give the losers another chance to lose for a few orbits. this is the reason why a certain player is not allowed to play cash live at a local venue. he comes on short, doubles up and leaves, doesnt pay anything towards session charge.
ANNOYING
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people tanking over simple preflop decisions
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people tanking over simple preflop decisions
+1
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I-Pods and their like!!! - should be banned!
Good point - I agree.
i aggree, when they are listening to music every few minutes they have to be reminded it their turn to act, "who bet, what was the raise", annoying
- and they don"t realise that the sound very often escapes from their ear-things, so other people have to listen to their hissing "music". At least you can change seat if some earphone victim sits beside you on public transport, but you can"t do that at a poker table
- and they look ridiculous, especially when combined with sunglasses and a cap or hoodie - lol!
- and they look even more ridiculous when they bet and then pretend they can"t hear you and self-consiously nod along to their music as if they have no interest in whether you are going to call or not - lol again
- and they isolate the user from the social interaction, which is a big part of APAT and other poker tournaments
- and they inevitably make the user less aware of the game. Anyone who doubts the potentially disastrous consequences should ask Andy Price, who went from almost chip-leader to almost out in one hand in the APAT Welsh Open 2008, solely as a result of using an I-Pod. I sat beside him all day and he had played really well to build a big stack. In one of the final hands of the day at 1am, he said raise and tried to min-raise from 3k to 6k with 66, having not heard a previous all-in for 28k. He was made to double the all-in raise, but was then called by KK, which held up and took the lot. http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=1021.315
My main objection is having to listen to the junk coming out from them, which is pretty inconsiderate of the user. The only intelligent use of headphones is the people who have them switched off so they are actually listening to what is going on while pretending not to.
can you hide my I-Pod please John :)
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I see you guys have built up quite a list. I hope it"s okay to post this here, but I thought some of you might like this article as it"s "on topic":
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Article can be found on the pokerology website.