Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Online Poker => Topic started by: Bodddders on May 28, 2007, 07:34:38 AM
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Does any else agree that Saturdays are not the ideal day to hold the fortnightly series.
Surprisingly I do have a social life and Saturdays are taken up with the occasional event. I think a midweek slot would be better with say a 7pm start so the tourney would finish around midnight. Anyone else have any thoughts for season 2.
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I think Sunday evenings would be best, its when a lot of people are playing anyway! But whatever day/time isnt going to suit everyone
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Friday or sat is good for me i"m a player mainly at the weekend, as during the week i have an early start for work and am usually late home
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You"re never going to meet everyone"s needs with this. I agree a Saturday is often a busy night for a lot of people. Maybe it"s worth considering alternating between nights to give as many people as possible a chance? I know there is the problem of not having regularity, which may mean some people miss when an event is. Might be worth experimenting with at first to see which nights are most popular and then making a firm decision on just one or maybe two days to alternate between.
Phill
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its working well as it is
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We will definitely be looking at the online series night for season two.
The key criteria is to be able to start early enought to avoid players needing to be up too late if the following day is a work day.
Starting at 7pm and earlier is difficult during the weekdays where players may be getting in from work / having dinner with their families.
I would welcome more views on this thread.
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Saturday at 8pm works for me. Time to say goodnight to the little one, and no work the next day in case I happen to go deep.
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I too find Sat. nights difficult to make. That being said, I understand that you won"t be able to accoomodate everyone.
The idea of alternating the days of the events might be a good comprimise. Nothing drastic, but maybe the first tourney on a Sat. and the next on a Sun. and then alternate Sat./Sun. for the rest of the season.
Just an idea.
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Sundays are probably a better bet for the majority (I"d guess). Alternating between Saturday and Sunday could be a solution.
Might be worth getting a number of solutions and getting the APAT members to vote in a poll - and then the final decision could be based on this.
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Saturday at 8pm works for me. Time to say goodnight to the little one, and no work the next day in case I happen to go deep.
I have to agree with this. I know a Saturday night is not great for some, but for me it is the best and most suitable time to have a tournament like this.
Kids are in bed at 8 or around then, then I am free to play poker and no work the next day. At 7 o"clock during the week I am sometimes only just getting in from work and still have the normal things to do on the house. These tournaments are well structured and I am sure we all want to keep the present structure, so if we start at 7 or 8 on a weeknight we would not be finished till about 12. Most people are up between 6 - 7 for work the next day.
If you have a social life and go aout all the time, then staying in every other Saturday night should not pose a major problem. There will never be a solution to suit all, but for me the Saturday night seems the right choice.
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Sundays are probably a better bet for the majority (I"d guess). Alternating between Saturday and Sunday could be a solution.
Might be worth getting a number of solutions and getting the APAT members to vote in a poll - and then the final decision could be based on this.
I think we should leave it a couple of weeks to enable a larger number of members to become involved in the forum, prior to allowing the group to vote on an item that will be quite important to all.
In the interim, it"s great to hear thoughts.
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I agree, Saturdays might not suit all but it is probably the best day and those that want to go out are at least choosing to go out whereas if it were on a different day those that can"t play because of work don"t have the luxury of choice.
Sundays would probably be good too.
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Hi Guys,
Got to agree that Saturday is not a good day for me too, we run bi-weekly events for officepoker here in Edinburgh and the only day we can do this is the Saturday.
However some of the top comps on other sites are run on Sundays which would be my ideal day of choice.
A possibility would be from 10pm on a Saturday.
Geo
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Hi all,
Saturday is OK, but I would personally prefer a Sunday night. At the moment it is mainly UK/Europe players, but if there are more US/worldwide players in future, any weeknight probably cant happen, due to time differences /working hours etc
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Saturday works for me... other things to do on Sunday night.
Personally don"t think alternating the nights is a good idea.
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Let me throw an idea out.
What if the buy in was reduced for online ranking events to $5 and APAT held an event on a weekday night (eg, Thurs) and a weekend night (Sat or Sun).
Lets say there were 20 rounds to the online series in season two, so effectively players would have access to up to 40 events across both nights.
However, players would only be able to see their top 15 (TBC) online results count towards their overall rankings position.
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I think this idea has some legs, 15 from 40 seems a fair amount. Maybe the number of ranking points awarded could also be increased. Top 20/25 as happens in the live events (top 18).
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:) Sounds very good idea to me Des. Perhaps $10 instead of $20 as you could enter both for same cost as now. I think your top 15 finishes is great idea and would help those players unable to participate in each tournament.
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Social life??? What"s that?
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Social life??? What"s that?
lol......the real cost of entry!
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Let me throw an idea out.
What if the buy in was reduced for online ranking events to $5 and APAT held an event on a weekday night (eg, Thurs) and a weekend night (Sat or Sun).
Lets say there were 20 rounds to the online series in season two, so effectively players would have access to up to 40 events across both nights.
However, players would only be able to see their top 15 (TBC) online results count towards their overall rankings position.
Top idea, however 15 final tables would be an achievement in itself!!! Therefore would all finishing positions count? Rather than just points for final table as it is at the moment?
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Let me throw an idea out.
What if the buy in was reduced for online ranking events to $5 and APAT held an event on a weekday night (eg, Thurs) and a weekend night (Sat or Sun).
Lets say there were 20 rounds to the online series in season two, so effectively players would have access to up to 40 events across both nights.
However, players would only be able to see their top 15 (TBC) online results count towards their overall rankings position.
Top idea, however 15 final tables would be an achievement in itself!!! Therefore would all finishing positions count? Rather than just points for final table as it is at the moment?
This is a difficult one, and a question that pops up quite often. It is obviously very difficult to get to a final table. Yet, after 25 events, nearly 200 players have scored ranking points. Yet, in our last two or three online events, several players have been appearing at their second final table.
The question for me, is how do we protect the "achievement" value of members earning ranking points, while possibly rewarding more players.
It is also important to have a different reward structure for online and live events. So I do not think we should award the same number of points for an online win and a live win.
A suggestion might be to retain the 1 to 18 points allocation for live events, while amending the online ranking points structure to 2 to 10 points for a final table and 1 point for any player who makes the money (typically down to 18 or 27) but does not make the final table.
Again, when we have some more members in the forum, we can thrown this open to a more formal process.
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Again, when we have some more members in the forum, we can thrown this open to a more formal process.
Has the existence of this forum been advertised? I only found out by accident, and even then struggled to find it from the APAT home page... I couldn"t find a "Forum" option in any of the menus.
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Thats an interesting suggestion Des. It would give anyone who cant make the saturday a midweek chance instead. I would agree that $5 is a bit low and that $10 sounds about right. :)
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Again, when we have some more members in the forum, we can thrown this open to a more formal process.
Has the existence of this forum been advertised? I only found out by accident, and even then struggled to find it from the APAT home page... I couldn"t find a "Forum" option in any of the menus.
No Alan, the forum has only been soft launched through one email to a limited number of existing members. Once we feel comfortable that it works as it should, then we will open it up to passing traffic.
I have seen several little gremlins that we shall fix prior to launch. For example, in the top left hand corner of each thread, the member viewing information is shown as green on a grey background, and it is not possible to see the member"s name.
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Hi Devil"s Advocate here.
By doubling the number of tourneys and reducing the buy-in... therefore reducing the prizepool... you may end up with less players.
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Hi Devil"s Advocate here.
By doubling the number of tourneys and reducing the buy-in... therefore reducing the prizepool... you may end up with less players.
I"m not sure. There are far larger events out there for similar buy ins to the APAT events, if players are chasing value per event. For example, PokerStars offers some great $10k and $20k guaranteed events for $10 buy ins.
I think the majority of APAT members are more interested in the "series" element - trying to gain and improve their rankings throughout the season - and the community that has built up around those games. They are seldom quiet but it is extremely rare to come across the horseplay that goes on at some point or other in most other online tournaments.
I would be surprised if we did not attract more players overall by reducing the entry buy in and offering members a more convenient schedule. That said, I"m not sure what impact an idea like this would have on the community.
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I agree that gaining 15 results would be very difficult and so the top 15 factor would be irrelevant
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It is also important to have a different reward structure for online and live events. So I do not think we should award the same number of points for an online win and a live win.
Des
Could you please clarify why you say it is important to have a different reward structure for online and live events.
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It is also important to have a different reward structure for online and live events. So I do not think we should award the same number of points for an online win and a live win.
Des
Could you please clarify why you say it is important to have a different reward structure for online and live events.
There are a few reasons in my opinion, but very topline:-
1) Access - there are far fewer live games than online games, so online specialists will have several opportunities to score points.
2) Convenience - you can play an online game at home in your slippers with a cuppa. When you play live, you will have to travel (sometimes hundreds of miles) and stay in hotels etc. This takes a player well outside of their comfort zone.
3) The need for a more complete game - you will need to utilise skills in a live game, like reading players, hiding your emotions etc, that you will not have to endure online.
Possibly above all else, the core objective of APAT is to promote standards in live play. The stakes seem to be higher on every front in those tournaments and it feels right that the ranking point rewards should be higher also.
That said, APAT is here to listen to our members and if the masses think otherwise, then nothing is set in stone.
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Also the live events have a bigger buy-in and take longer (i.e. a whole weekend).
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Also the live events have a bigger buy-in and take longer (i.e. a whole weekend).
The physical effort required for a two day event is a very valid point. The buy in I would be less concerned with as the rewards are a great deal higher live.
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Also the live events have a bigger buy-in and take longer (i.e. a whole weekend).
The physical effort required for a two day event is a very valid point. The buy in I would be less concerned with as the rewards are a great deal higher live.
Fair enough, but in addition to the buy-in, a live event that is any distance from where someone lives (which will be most of them, obviously ;D), and that has the obvious expenses to go alongside the buy-in. Would £200 an event sound reasonable? If it is and someone plays 5 events - that"s £1,000. Significantly higher than the expense of playing the online events. But of course, the rewards are greater too.
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haveing 1 - 18 for live and 1 - 9 for on-line gives the edge to the experienced live player. i belive the points should be the same, as its hard to get a seat at a live event so people are not given the chance to get 18 points but we are all invited to play on-line
the split games seems a good idea
we should leave the buy in the same, don"t forget this is an amature game and all though £75 is excelant value it is still out of reach for some people
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At first I thought it was outweighed in favour of the live events, but after playing in the live events, I have to agree with Des and the way he has structured the tournaments and weighting....
The live events are 2 days long of arduous, endurance poker, and the points awarded should be more than the online events...
As for there being 18 points for 1st in the live events and, it has been said that this gives the experienced live player an advantage, it doesn"t... There are only 7 live events; which equal 7 x 18 -- a total of 126 points for 7 1st places, as opposed to online,, 33 x 9 --- a total of 297 for online 1st places...
This seems to suggest that it is in favour of the online experienced player...
As for £75 for the entry fee to live events, IMHO this is the best value for money tournament in the UK at the moment....The added value in the of the EPT and WSOP seats are amazing.....This is taking into account the strucure as well... If you are lucky (in my case) you get to play 2 days of poker with the chance of winning an amazing prize, and this is all for £75..
There are ways to improve everything, and this is getting right to what the members want... Personally, I would like to see more live events.... But this is upto Des, the team and the sponsors....
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the reason for the same points for both is that we all can play on-line
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With the debate about the merits of live vs online play, is there a case for 2 APAT series in season 2? Points earned in the live events would count towards the live event table and online points would count towards the online table. Two champions at the end of the year, who could then play heads up for the overall title.
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the reason for the same points for both is that we all can play on-line
This is not 100% true... You do not have to have access to a PC to be a member of the APAT...
In fact,,,, my dad will join season 2, but he will not have access to a PC..
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Saturday"s fine but I"m happy to alternate Sat/Sun so long as Sunday tourneys start at about 6pm (as I"ll almost certainly make the final table :whisltes nonchalantly: and don"t want to be too late to bed before work.
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With the debate about the merits of live vs online play, is there a case for 2 APAT series in season 2? Points earned in the live events would count towards the live event table and online points would count towards the online table. Two champions at the end of the year, who could then play heads up for the overall title.
Yes, but would they be asked to play on-line or live? or one of each etc etc.
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With the debate about the merits of live vs online play, is there a case for 2 APAT series in season 2? Points earned in the live events would count towards the live event table and online points would count towards the online table. Two champions at the end of the year, who could then play heads up for the overall title.
Yes, but would they be asked to play on-line or live? or one of each etc etc.
Good point ???
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I think its as difficult to win an on-line event as it is a live one. All 150-200 players are playing within the same enviroment and the competition is tough.
I agree with previous coments that live events require more effort to attend and require more stamina, and are more expensive, but the rewards are also very attractive. The added EPT package for the winner plus £3,000. I think the live event is currently a much more attractive proposition, and the double ranking points adds to this.
The way things are at present I would not be surprised to find a Live event winner, also winning the overall series and winning an EPT seat as well as a Carribean package.
I would therefore be in favour of a similar points structure for both live and on-line events.
Of course im biased because I live further away, have some family commitments and find it difficult to travel. :)
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6c :2d:
Again im another who would prefer sundays, theres so many tournaments online on a sunday which means a lot of players will be on anyway, would prefer to do other thing on a saturday
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How about an additional online tourney each month (or every two months) that has a bigger buy-in and double or bonus points?
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Given the ethos of APAT means that it would be reasonable to expect that the majority of members have got a proper job then I think this should indicate that either Friday or Saturdays are the nights where the most people will be able to participate.
Saturday night not being convenient for social reasons is different in that you can choose not to do it, but you can"t choose not to go into work (not on a regular basis anyway, they might start getting suspicious).
If people want to enter every APAT event and want to earn the most points then that is a choice that should be made. If they look on it as more of a social, occasional online poker tournament then only entering once a month or so leaves plenty of times for other things. But if they can"t ever set aside any Saturday night for an APAT event, then clearly it"s just not that important to them. Whichever of these options is true I don"t see any reason to change what is currently a winning formula.
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When I say to the wife on a Saturday night I plan to sit down and play poker on the internet all night the look she shoots me could stop a Rhino in full charge. Having said that I do occasionally get the chance to dip into the online series and enjoy the games a lot.
I agree with Jon"s comments about the games needing to be on a Friday or Saturday to allow the maximum possible number of APAt member to play because the vast majority hold down regular jobs and this enables them to compete for the title.
I also think you have to consider those who work weekends and those who can"t commit to play enough tournaments to compete for the season championship. What I would like to see is a regular monthly tournament held on a rotating week day that offers an APAt season title for variety of different poker formats, quick example;
So 1st Monday in Jan APAt Season 2, 7 card stud championship
1st Tuesday in Feb Season 2 Omaha championship
1st Wednesday in March Season 2 Limit Hold'em championship
1st Thursday in April Season 2 Omaha Hi/Lo championship
1st Friday in May Season 2 Pot Limit Hold'em
The season title could become "The main event" with this other titles enabling others to compete in there favourite formats.
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I"m not sure the work argument discounts Sunday evening as a valid option though? Surely a counter-argument can be used to say that because most people work Monday-Friday, then Saturday night is the only night they can do things with their family, friends (not that I know what they are), and carry out other social commitments.
I"m a sad git, so I can play many of the Saturday tournaments. However, I have missed a few due to "unavoidable" events - such as weddings and the like.
If you "go" anywhere at a weekend, that makes Saturday night difficult - if not impossible. Anyone who works Mon-Fri will usually have to be back home for Sunday evening - and this seems to me to be the ideal time for an online poker tournament. As has been pointed out elsewhere, many other tournaments are played on a Sunday night. I guess start might have to be slightly earlier than 8 - maybe 7 or even 6 could be feasible?
It might be that one night suits a substantial number, and another night is better for a different group - again consisting of a large number of members. Surely the ideal solution is one that tries to accommodate as many members as possible - and this would suggest to me that the tournaments would need to be held on different days - maybe alternating between Saturday and Sunday?
As KVNSTV pointed out, having the tournaments on different nights might actually help to save a few marriages!
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Please avoid Sundays, there is far too many other poker events going on Sunday. Saturdays are working well
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Please avoid Sundays, there is far too many other poker events going on Sunday. Saturdays are working well
No one is making a decision at the moment - we"re just putting together reasons and suggestions that can then be looked at in more detail and hopefully formalised and put to the members as a vote (and then a decision made with this information in hand).
Saturdays are working well for many - but might not be working well for others. Personally, I don"t mind. I have no social life...
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Although I don"t think alternating nights is a good idea overall, it might be worth trying it in Season 2 and contrasting the number of entries to give a pointer for a fixed night for subsequent seasons.
Having said that I prefer the idea of weekday and weekend tournaments with the top 15 results counting. Although it would be hard to register 15 results it highlights the fact that if you don"t get to enter every online and live event it doesn"t mean the end of your challenge.
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When I say to the wife on a Saturday night I plan to sit down and play poker on the internet all night the look she shoots me could stop a Rhino in full charge. Having said that I do occasionally get the chance to dip into the online series and enjoy the games a lot.
I agree with Jon"s comments about the games needing to be on a Friday or Saturday to allow the maximum possible number of APAt member to play because the vast majority hold down regular jobs and this enables them to compete for the title.
I also think you have to consider those who work weekends and those who can"t commit to play enough tournaments to compete for the season championship. What I would like to see is a regular monthly tournament held on a rotating week day that offers an APAt season title for variety of different poker formats, quick example;
So 1st Monday in Jan APAt Season 2, 7 card stud championship
1st Tuesday in Feb Season 2 Omaha championship
1st Wednesday in March Season 2 Limit Hold'em championship
1st Thursday in April Season 2 Omaha Hi/Lo championship
1st Friday in May Season 2 Pot Limit Hold'em
The season title could become "The main event" with this other titles enabling others to compete in there favourite formats.
I saw you mention this elsewhere Kevin and think this idea has lots of potential. Will definitely be adding this to the development list for season two.
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Please avoid Sundays, there is far too many other poker events going on Sunday. Saturdays are working well
No one is making a decision at the moment - we"re just putting together reasons and suggestions that can then be looked at in more detail and hopefully formalised and put to the members as a vote (and then a decision made with this information in hand).
Saturdays are working well for many - but might not be working well for others. Personally, I don"t mind. I have no social life...
We may have to use a random draw to reach the decision :D
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Please avoid Sundays, there is far too many other poker events going on Sunday. Saturdays are working well
No one is making a decision at the moment - we"re just putting together reasons and suggestions that can then be looked at in more detail and hopefully formalised and put to the members as a vote (and then a decision made with this information in hand).
Saturdays are working well for many - but might not be working well for others. Personally, I don"t mind. I have no social life...
We may have to use a random draw to reach the decision :D
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Yep, with most people here, very difficult to get a good night for everybody. Think it is important that it alternates weeks. Perhaps, alternating weeks and nights would be good.
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Always out on Saturdays - why not alternate with Sundays - maybe with a 4pm kick off? Another forum ran a $1000 added tournament for members last sunday at 4pm and it was well supported.
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The simple fact is that you CAN"T please everyone all the time.
No single day &/or time is going to suit everyone..all any organisation is try to satisfy as many of it"s members as it can.
Weekends are when MOST people are off work and early evenings are when MOST people have free time at weekends, allowing for a reasonable end time.
Life is full of compromises and so, the question for us, as members, is what are we willing to give up to take part in the online series. An evening out...so be it.
An evening with the wife/kids..perhaps not..but that"s a choice we have to be willing to make and live with.
All of the above being said, different days/games/alternating...whatever...I"m sure it"s all going into the APAT thinktank.
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When I say to the wife on a Saturday night I plan to sit down and play poker on the internet all night the look she shoots me could stop a Rhino in full charge. Having said that I do occasionally get the chance to dip into the online series and enjoy the games a lot.
I agree with Jon"s comments about the games needing to be on a Friday or Saturday to allow the maximum possible number of APAt member to play because the vast majority hold down regular jobs and this enables them to compete for the title.
I also think you have to consider those who work weekends and those who can"t commit to play enough tournaments to compete for the season championship. What I would like to see is a regular monthly tournament held on a rotating week day that offers an APAt season title for variety of different poker formats, quick example;
So 1st Monday in Jan APAt Season 2, 7 card stud championship
1st Tuesday in Feb Season 2 Omaha championship
1st Wednesday in March Season 2 Limit Hold'em championship
1st Thursday in April Season 2 Omaha Hi/Lo championship
1st Friday in May Season 2 Pot Limit Hold'em
The season title could become "The main event" with this other titles enabling others to compete in there favourite formats.
I saw you mention this elsewhere Kevin and think this idea has lots of potential. Will definitely be adding this to the development list for season two.
Excellent news, I will always play an APAt online tour event if im available on a Saturday night but with a family it's very rare. I realistically will only play two or three of these a season and maybe one live event due to financial restrictions. so realistically its unlikely I will be in the running for the title (not discounting the fact I"m also rubbish), this would not stop me playing any of the events especially the live ones because I enjoy them very much but I"m very excited about the chance for me to play for a title in an poker discipline I specialize in Like Hi-lo Split or Razz. I think this move will be very inclusive to those APAt members who can"t always dedicate the amount of time to the game as we would like!
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I"m in favour of moving it to a weekday night.
Like to concentrate on the major"s on a Sunday..... and the mrs won"t let me touch the laptop most Saturday"s!
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I"m not a fan of the Saturday evening start time. Despite intending to play in most of them I"ve found that most of them have clashed with something that has taken precedence to it.
The simple fact is that most social events (e.g. weddings, family visits, stag do"s, anything organised by the Mrs) tend to be focused on Saturday nights. Given the nature of most of these things its pretty much impossible trying to justify not attending one of these for "another night playing poker on the PC".
Personally, I think Sundays would be the best time for the APAT events. I also think an earlier start (anything from 4pm to 7pm) would work well. With regard to potential late finishes, only a small percentage of players would survive to the end stages of each event anyway so the chances of the same people being affected over and over again are slim (although it"d be a nice problem to have).
Also, given that there are other popular tournaments going on at the same time I would imagine that many APAT online players are already planning to play online on Sunday evenings anyway so it seems to me to be a "natural" time to hold the events.
Personally, I"d prefer just about any alternative to the Saturday evenings. Taking up half a dozen weekends per year to play the live events is a big enough "sacrifice" to family/social matters and is far easier to justify. Extending that to all the fortnightly online tournaments is just too much to expect.
I also suspect this is the reason why the numbers for the online events haven"t grown significantly throughout the season, as only a small number of "hardcore players" are able to devote the time to playing these events regularly. Considering the speed at which the live events sell out you would think that the online events would attract higher numbers. I think the start time is the main reason they don"t.
Sheriff
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I also suspect this is the reason why the numbers for the online events haven"t grown significantly throughout the season, as only a small number of "hardcore players" are able to devote the time to playing these events regularly.
I have played every online event. Does this make me "hardcore"???
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Maybe upcoming online event could get switched from a Saturday night to a proposed different night... This would be a test tourney to see if numbers do differ substantially.
The APAT has members from different locations accross the globe, and they would have to consider the impact upon them, and weigh up the greater good..
I agree with Sheriff"s point about the online event not growing substantially, and the demand for live events far outstripping the online series, and maybe this is becasue of the Saturday night. I do know the Saturday night is a perfect night for me.
Would it be possible to entice people to play the online series by linking a "rewards system" for playing online. So you have more chance of getting to a live event the more onlinie events. Or should they be kept totally separate?
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I have played every online event. Does this make me "hardcore"???
Every online event = Skeleton Made Of Diamond.
You"re THAT hardcore! ;)
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I have played every online event. Does this make me "hardcore"???
Every online event = Skeleton Made Of Diamond.
You"re THAT hardcore! ;)
And then you go and spoil it all.....
Good luck to all playing in this event. Absolutely gutted as I cannot take part due to a family party. This will be the first APAT event I have missed, I am really sad and have no friends...
But it kind of re-inforces my original point though.
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The APAT has members from different locations accross the globe, and they would have to consider the impact upon them, and weigh up the greater good..
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With reference to having to work, surely this reinforces Saturday night as being the best night to play on. Whether someone is playing in a country that is up to 12 hours in front or 12 hours behind - a Saturday evening here means the least likely chance that anybody in the world will have a problem because of work.
I don"t see social reasons as of as much importance - with APAt members playing poker recreationally this just means that an online APAt event is just one of the social things you could be doing every other weekend. Some things are more important - e.g. weddings, baptisms (well most family things) and others will be less important (for me things like any kind of sport, but that would be individual to each member).
The difference with work is that people have no control over it - this is why I think Saturday night remains the most logical choice (but a variation to experiment and see what affect it has isn"t a bad plan either).
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I have played every online event. Does this make me "hardcore"???
James - you are sad and friendless - NOW BE TOLD!!!
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I workshifts Monday to Friday, so Saturday nights are good for me. I"ve enjoyed playing the last few tourneys and I"d definately miss out on midwek tourney"s.
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Jon MW I agree with you on this issue, in that people have to choose what is most important.
Saturday does seem the most obvious because statistically there are less people working on a Sunday than any other day.
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There will always be people who are unable to play whichever night and whatever time the event starts but I think the current time and day are fine. I have missed events due to weddings, birthdays, wife wanting a night out, etc. but whenever I can play I do. The Association has a global membership and as such has to cater for all time zones so the current day/time is probably the best as far as this is concerned as well as affecting less people"s work and family commitments in the UK.
I think one of the reasons the online event has not increased in numbers is possibly down to newer members having no chance to make an impact on the leaderboard so they could be waiting for season 2 to start ? As mentioned elsewhere on here the difference in ranking points between live and online tourneys may also be affecting online entries.
47% of the total ranking points at the end of the season will have been won in the 7 live events where numbers are resticted. I agree that live play requires skills that cannot be used at the PC but I believe this is too large a chunk of the ranking points on offer. If the top 18 in the online events were awarded points as in the live events 19% of the total points would be won at the live events - this is probably too low, so it is a case of the correct balance being struck and I am sure Des and the team have been working on this for season 2.
Different leaderboards for live and online events would be a way forward especially if you can get the sponsors to cough up two seats on the Cruise !!!
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SATURDAY NIGHT .................. POKER NIGHT
Think i"ve made my point
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I think i have managed to make about 2 online events as its been on a Saturday. Moving the date would be awesome.
Friday nights always seem good as i am sure most people finish work for the week and would have something to do like play the APAT tourney instead of watching the crap on tv!
Weekdays would be bad IMO as i have read a few people have children so they would need to be attended to 1st!
I vote for Friday evenings or Sunday anytime as i do sod all on a Sunday (hey it is the day of rest after all)!!!! ;D ;)
Anyway whatever decision is made will have to do with me. Just please not more Saturdays :-\
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I"m for a mixture. Cant do saturdays but a lot do prefer that day.
How about a rotation between saturday, sunday and a weekday? That way everyone should be able to play at least one in 3.
This is clearly a common sense solution so I"ll assume it has already been suggested and apologise for suggesting it again
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Any night but Friday or Saturday night would suit me. Why not take a leaf out of Pokerstars book and hold them on Sunday night al a Sunday Million (or this that the reason they"re not on Sunday, because of the clash). Only managed to make 1 this season, although I have forgotten about them quite a few times - how about sending an email reminder on the Friday, I have a memory like a sieve.
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There are too many majors on a Sunday. Work the nexy day. To many factors for me ruling out Sundays. Dont think you could start early, because a lot of people have things to do.
I would like to see it remain on a Saturday evening, even if you are single and go out, you can surely make one Saturday evening a month. Most people are off on a Sat/Sun, and esepecially in the evening.
Although season 2 is promising lots of things, and we will all have to wait to find out what they are, and what the timetables will be like. Whatever the outcome if it is half as good as season one, it will be super....
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hey flying pig
well played the other night by the way,
as a newish member i enjoyed both nights this weekend, with probably my preference to the sunday as i have more time then.
I do realise that there are alot of other tourneys on a sunday for people to enjoy but saturday is usually bad for myself and alot of others from wives / husbands / kids needs to go out partying and local events.
hope my input has added to the debate.
later
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The whole debate about what day to play on prompted me to look at my weekly schedule and see what day would selfishly suit me ....
Mon -- arrive home from work -- fire up PC play on-line
Tue --arrive home from work -- fire up PC play on-line
Wed -- arrive home from work -- fire up PC play on-line
Thu -- arrive home from work -- fire up PC play on-line
Fri -- arrive home from work -- fire up PC play on-line
Sat -- No work -- fire up PC play on-line (play live APAT if there is one)
Sun -- No work -- fire up PC play on-line (Usually out of live APAT so came home)
OK then, I think I can fit in most suggested days. I have no signifcant other, she left and I have no idea why ??? ::). (she was gone for two weeks before I suspected something was up)
Seriously, it will always be a difficult choice, but as many posts said you can"t please all of the people all of the time. There are some in the camp of "if it ain"t broke don"t fix it", but all things have to evolve and the important thing is that it evolves with popular consent which is the backbone of a good organisation.
It"s a great organisation (take a bow Des & the rest) and I am sure we will find a solution that will please the majority....
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As the person who started this thread its interesting to see peoples thoughts.
I realise eveyone has different obligations and maybe in my original statement I was being somewhat selfish (as Saturdays are not my favourite day to play online).
It seems for season 2 Apat have taken onboard lots of ideas from across this forum and one of these is that the online series will take place on Thursdays and Saturdays.
Well as they say the "proof of the pudding". So which day will attract the biggest field. Personally I will endeavour to play on both nights (if she lets me) and cant wait for season 2 to start.
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Just to add my input
My participation in the online series is a bit sketchy as Friday/Saturday nights really should be social evenings for me. So i play when i can and i try not to re-arrange my life around poker (although it sometimes seems like i do).
I would prefer a different night and i do work fulltime in a fairly stressful job, but i play most poker on weeknights/sunday.
I realise you can"t please everybody but you asked for input so here it is.
If it stays on a saturday i will play when i can.
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Thanks Dean and welcome aboard.
We have tried to offer a wider choice by having the events on both a Thursday and Saturday night, once a fortnight. The entry fee will reduce to $10 + $1 so that we don"t stretch anyone who wants to play both. Similarly, the rankings will now be decided by each player"s top twenty results, with a maximum of 5 live being eligible.
It"s not perfect, but it will allow those with busy Saturday nights to stay involved.
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That seems fair enough
Not too bothered about the buy-in but i like the idea of so many results counting so that people who can"t make every single tourney still have a chance of making an impression on the leaderboard.
Cheers for the welcome
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Make it Saturdays only Des.
We don"t want Deanp spoiling the neighbourhood revving his damn bulldozer!!!
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Make it Saturdays only Des.
We don"t want Deanp spoiling the neighbourhood revving his damn bulldozer!!!
LOL more like a lawnmower these days
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A comb......
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seeing as only 5 live scores count why can it be made that only 10 scores from a midweek or weekend event count too
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seeing as only 5 live scores count why can it be made that only 10 scores from a midweek or weekend event count too
Somebody might only be able to play on the Thursday ones and no live, this way they can still get 20 results.
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seeing as only 5 live scores count why can it be made that only 10 scores from a midweek or weekend event count too
Somebody might only be able to play on the Thursday ones and no live, this way they can still get 20 results.
somebody might only be able to play live and not online but they only get 5 games
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seeing as only 5 live scores count why can it be made that only 10 scores from a midweek or weekend event count too
Somebody might only be able to play on the Thursday ones and no live, this way they can still get 20 results.
somebody might only be able to play live and not online but they only get 5 games
But they would have an unfair advantage because of the extra points in live
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seeing as only 5 live scores count why can it be made that only 10 scores from a midweek or weekend event count too
Somebody might only be able to play on the Thursday ones and no live, this way they can still get 20 results.
somebody might only be able to play live and not online but they only get 5 games
But they would have an unfair advantage because of the extra points in live
online playewrs have an advantahe because of the extra games online
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seeing as only 5 live scores count why can it be made that only 10 scores from a midweek or weekend event count too
Somebody might only be able to play on the Thursday ones and no live, this way they can still get 20 results.
somebody might only be able to play live and not online but they only get 5 games
But they would have an unfair advantage because of the extra points in live
online playewrs have an advantahe because of the extra games online
that"s why only 20 count
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Thanks Dean and welcome aboard.
We have tried to offer a wider choice by having the events on both a Thursday and Saturday night, once a fortnight. The entry fee will reduce to $10 + $1 so that we don"t stretch anyone who wants to play both. Similarly, the rankings will now be decided by each player"s top twenty results, with a maximum of 5 live being eligible.
It"s not perfect, but it will allow those with busy Saturday nights to stay involved.
I see that this answers my question (on another thread) as to why the entry fee was reduced. Isn"t this something that the membership could have been consulted about? The question could have been put, with jeopardising any negotiations that were ongoing.
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It does favour online players, but didnt this years? and the winner looks like being a player who has done very well live?
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I may be wrong but I don"t think he"s scored a point on-line at all.
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It does favour online players, but didnt this years? and the winner looks like being a player who has done very well live?
I"ll let Mark answer this himself, but he"ll be the first to say that he"s useless online (he"s not useless at all, but he"ll say he is).
Mark"s points are from two second-place finishes in live events, and one other decent points finish in the last live event.
Wayne, who"s in second may have scored all of his points online (correct me if I"m wrong Wayne). I guess we"re lucky they"re not multiple personalities of the same person...
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Yes, all my points are from on line games. I am total the opposite to Mark, my live play needs a lot of improvement but I have only played 4 times, 3 was APAT once in Las Vegas. So I have a lot to learn with live play