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Title: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: M3boy on August 30, 2009, 13:11:40 PM
Thanks guys for putting on a top event. VWD all concerned.

Big thanks to Blue Square and DTD.

ALL future events I deel should be held at DTD - best place to play poker in the UK by far!


Now for the moan.......................................................

My only problem with the event is that I do not feel strong enough actions were taken in a particular situation - which happened several times whilst I was there. A certain individual over stepped the mark (way over) and not much was done. Now I know this event is a "friendly" event, but I feel it sends out the wrong message to new comers to the game. IMO the person in question should of been banned from DTD/future APAT events. The actions of the certain individual was totally un-necessary , unprofessional and at best very rude/disrespectfull.

I am all for having a laugh, but there are limits and like I said, these were way overstepped.

Moan over.

GL those left in
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: APAT on August 30, 2009, 13:45:17 PM
Thanks Paul.  One individual was given a penalty away from the table which may double in length or worse if there are any further issues today.  In addition, APAT will review any incidents after the WCOAP with regards to any potential suspensions.  DTD are ultimately responsible for taking "behaviour" related actions during the event and their track record in this area is second to none.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: mattblue on August 30, 2009, 13:54:40 PM
i cant understand why people moan when they out lool great day any thanks des and team
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: M3boy on August 30, 2009, 14:06:12 PM

i cant understand why people moan when they out lool great day any thanks des and team


I would have the same moan if I was in!

Thanks Des appreciate the comments
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: CrizzyConnor on August 30, 2009, 23:37:42 PM

ALL future events I deel should be held at DTD - best place to play poker in the UK by far!


^ This ^

Scottish, Irish, English, European, Worlds and anything else should all be held at DTD, just hang a flag or two from one of those massive pillars to honour whichever country the national was supposed to be in...
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Foggy on August 31, 2009, 09:58:07 AM


ALL future events I deel should be held at DTD - best place to play poker in the UK by far!


^ This ^

Scottish, Irish, English, European, Worlds and anything else should all be held at DTD, just hang a flag or two from one of those massive pillars to honour whichever country the national was supposed to be in...


+1
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Mikeyboy9361 on August 31, 2009, 10:17:00 AM
The dealers were all of a really high standard, not like some other venues where the players are coaching the dealers! The first dealer on our table was unbelievable, I thought I was playing on line he was\so quick!
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: AMRN on August 31, 2009, 10:22:07 AM
You just can"t get better than DTD - fantastic organistion, and superb dealers. On our cash table late last night, the chap next to me was counting hands dealt per hour..... 33!!!

Many thanks to the APAT guys - to Des, Rich, Leigh, and Tikay - this was a looooong weekend for you guys, but once again you made it so special for all of us.  Absolutely brilliant!!

Congratz to all those who cashed/won.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: jim5432 on August 31, 2009, 11:59:43 AM
I"ll second both the OP"s two points, firstly an excellent event which is obviously down to a lot of hard work by many people both at APAT and at DTD - huge thanks from me to everyone involved

However, I was also concerned about the enforcement of table etiquette and tournament rules, particularly with regard to one individual (and I don"t doubt the same one referred to above) who in my opinion would have been thrown out of many other tournaments and who certainly spoilt my enjoyment of the event for the few levels I was sharing a table with him. I am not naming names, I don"t know him having not played a live APAT event before, I don"t know if it is a regular occurence with this guy or a one-off fuelled by too many sherberts - I would like to think it is the latter as, although I didn"t think much of his behaviour on the night, he certainly didnt seem as if he was making trouble deliberately and was obviously a popular character with more than a few (I"m guessing I won"t be with him or them but hey ho!) - my gripe is more with the tournament officiating which should have dealt with it a lot sooner on the night.

Ok here goes.....clearly drunk, disrupting play by continually shouting across the cardroom at various mates on other tables, delaying play by standing up away from the table to order drinks not just for himself but taking orders from other tables during play, making suggestive comments to at least one of the waitresses whilst doing so, abusing one particular player at the table regularly and suggesting he had a physical disability on more than one occasion, playing out of turn because he was too concerned at what was going on elsewhere, regaling the table and others within earshot (most of them) with offensive anecdotes, declaring his hand during play on a regular basis both correctly and incorrectly, using his mobile phone at the table, aggressively and provocatively celebrating winning hands including abusing a player he had just eliminated.

There were 157 people taking part on the day - it is unfair on the other 156 if one person is allowed to get away with this sort of thing and I would ask that in future table etiquette be enforced a little earlier and effectively rather than, as I feel happened on Saturday (regardless of whether a penalty was imposed as said above) treated for much of the evening as "a bit of a laugh"
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: gerry5421 on August 31, 2009, 17:34:06 PM
yep

another great APAT event the biggest i have been to and wow  well impressed was a pleasure to meet some of you guys ,Des, tight ,and all great work on the updates.

Enjoyed it so much trying to now make bolton fingers and toes crossed

also great work DTD organised to perfection ,agree with previous posts that we should have all events there not sure  that Blue square would agree though.

hopefully meet up with some of you again in Bolton
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Claw75 on August 31, 2009, 18:51:17 PM
Yep, great weekend, fantastic atmosphere, top notch updates from the team. Credit to all involved!
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Joker161 on August 31, 2009, 19:16:00 PM
Great event! Thanks to Des and the team.

I"ve already booked my flights for the Bolton event so I hope I get in!

With regards to the loud person, I was on that table and he was a bit of a nightmare at times, but it was a shame that he was a bit too pissed because I like characters at the table and I think (others will know better) that he is normally quite loud anyway and it was the drink that pushed him too far.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: M3boy on August 31, 2009, 20:02:57 PM

Great event! Thanks to Des and the team.

I"ve already booked my flights for the Bolton event so I hope I get in!

With regards to the loud person, I was on that table and he was a bit of a nightmare at times, but it was a shame that he was a bit too pissed because I like characters at the table and I think (others will know better) that he is normally quite loud anyway and it was the drink that pushed him too far.


Still no excuse though!!
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: samuel_9 on August 31, 2009, 20:37:25 PM

You just can"t get better than DTD - fantastic organistion, and superb dealers. On our cash table late last night, the chap next to me was counting hands dealt per hour..... 33!!!

Many thanks to the APAT guys - to Des, Rich, Leigh, and Tikay - this was a looooong weekend for you guys, but once again you made it so special for all of us.  Absolutely brilliant!!

Congratz to all those who cashed/won.
very well posted i seconed that
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: WASP on August 31, 2009, 20:49:33 PM
Great event as usual thanks to APAT and DTD, very well run and a big congrats to all the cashers, medalist and winners.

Regarding problems with individuals, what I don"t get, if you have a problem why don"t you have a quiet word at the break or whenever, if that doesn"t work mention it to the TD or APAT.

Why do people always wait until they get behind their keyboards and start threads to raise these matters??

As usual I didn"t see any bother but I was rubbed down three times at the table the first time I let my game do the talking and bust him out, the second I had a quiet word on the break and he apologised (WP) the third time I was just too tired and it was coming from a guy I previously thought was nice and quiet but before I got a chance to fist him I moved tables and it was washing over me anyway.

You are always going to come across problems in any tournament you play, I"ve played many GUK games and in everyone I have seen more bother than I did this weekend.  It is just another part of the tourney process that you have manage and resolve yourself, add it to your tilt control process  ;)
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: mattblue on August 31, 2009, 21:41:21 PM

Great event as usual thanks to APAT and DTD, very well run and a big congrats to all the cashers, medalist and winners.

Regarding problems with individuals, what I don"t get, if you have a problem why don"t you have a quiet word at the break or whenever, if that doesn"t work mention it to the TD or APAT.

Why do people always wait until they get behind their keyboards and start threads to raise these matters??

As usual I didn"t see any bother but I was rubbed down three times at the table the first time I let my game do the talking and bust him out, the second I had a quiet word on the break and he apologised (WP) the third time I was just too tired and it was coming from a guy I previously thought was nice and quiet but before I got a chance to fist him I moved tables and it was washing over me anyway.

You are always going to come across problems in any tournament you play, I"ve played many GUK games and in everyone I have seen more bother than I did this weekend.  It is just another part of the tourney process that you have manage and resolve yourself, add it to your tilt control process  ;)
+1 they could all go and play in a church woop woop
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Cyntaf on August 31, 2009, 21:57:35 PM
Great response mr "Wasp" Spending more time on your own game instead of worrying about others. With this kind of take and attitude towards not tilting, no wonder you do very well in tourneys.

Sorry about the beat, also to Al for his. I"m sure you will both return the favour soon. I suffered the same fate in Omaha and the Horse, but it"s all part of the Package.

Regards to the individual, i was not there on Saturday, so i can"t comment. He was there on Sunday , although i had to look for him as was a little subdued. This i found personally very sad. He"s one of the many great Apat characters. We have to be very careful that we don"t drive them away, and end up a little less colourful, maybe like the snooker as is now without the big bad boys. I had boys jumping across from 1 table to the other making prop bets and stuff. This was not a problem to me, it actually made the weekend even more fun. So where do we draw the line. I refer you back upto wasps post.

Thanks all for a great weekend and hope to sees you in Bolton.

P.S. can somebody post a picture of the Cows ::) Cheers Cardiff for looking after me.

Paul
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: evilpie on September 01, 2009, 03:00:14 AM

Great event as usual thanks to APAT and DTD, very well run and a big congrats to all the cashers, medalist and winners.

Regarding problems with individuals, what I don"t get, if you have a problem why don"t you have a quiet word at the break or whenever, if that doesn"t work mention it to the TD or APAT.

Why do people always wait until they get behind their keyboards and start threads to raise these matters??

As usual I didn"t see any bother but I was rubbed down three times at the table the first time I let my game do the talking and bust him out, the second I had a quiet word on the break and he apologised (WP) the third time I was just too tired and it was coming from a guy I previously thought was nice and quiet but before I got a chance to fist him I moved tables and it was washing over me anyway.

You are always going to come across problems in any tournament you play, I"ve played many GUK games and in everyone I have seen more bother than I did this weekend.  It is just another part of the tourney process that you have manage and resolve yourself, add it to your tilt control process  ;)


I believe that "fisting" goes against the APAT ethos.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: MAIR on September 01, 2009, 07:43:35 AM

Yep, great weekend, fantastic atmosphere, top notch updates from the team. Credit to all involved!

+1
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: kinboshi on September 01, 2009, 10:25:14 AM


Great event as usual thanks to APAT and DTD, very well run and a big congrats to all the cashers, medalist and winners.

Regarding problems with individuals, what I don"t get, if you have a problem why don"t you have a quiet word at the break or whenever, if that doesn"t work mention it to the TD or APAT.

Why do people always wait until they get behind their keyboards and start threads to raise these matters??

As usual I didn"t see any bother but I was rubbed down three times at the table the first time I let my game do the talking and bust him out, the second I had a quiet word on the break and he apologised (WP) the third time I was just too tired and it was coming from a guy I previously thought was nice and quiet but before I got a chance to fist him I moved tables and it was washing over me anyway.

You are always going to come across problems in any tournament you play, I"ve played many GUK games and in everyone I have seen more bother than I did this weekend.  It is just another part of the tourney process that you have manage and resolve yourself, add it to your tilt control process  ;)


I believe that "fisting" goes against the APAT ethos.


If they"re consenting adults, then what they get up to is their own business.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: M3boy on September 01, 2009, 10:41:54 AM

Great event as usual thanks to APAT and DTD, very well run and a big congrats to all the cashers, medalist and winners.

Regarding problems with individuals, what I don"t get, if you have a problem why don"t you have a quiet word at the break or whenever, if that doesn"t work mention it to the TD or APAT.

Why do people always wait until they get behind their keyboards and start threads to raise these matters??

As usual I didn"t see any bother but I was rubbed down three times at the table the first time I let my game do the talking and bust him out, the second I had a quiet word on the break and he apologised (WP) the third time I was just too tired and it was coming from a guy I previously thought was nice and quiet but before I got a chance to fist him I moved tables and it was washing over me anyway.

You are always going to come across problems in any tournament you play, I"ve played many GUK games and in everyone I have seen more bother than I did this weekend.  It is just another part of the tourney process that you have manage and resolve yourself, add it to your tilt control process  ;)


I certainly did not wait until "hiding behind a keyboard" - ask anyone, I say what I feel - probably too much sometimes!

I can imagine however, that most people would not want to say much as he comes accross as intimidating. There was only one incident involving me, which I did mention at the time - but I heard alot more just not involving me.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: M3boy on September 01, 2009, 10:46:02 AM
As to the point of being a "colourfull" character, yes he certainly is, and other times I have been in tournaments with him they were certainly not dull!!

On this occasion however, he did overstep the mark on more than one occasion and I am pretty sure even he will admit it.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: jim5432 on September 01, 2009, 11:57:49 AM
I would also refute any accusation of hiding behind a keyboard....my identity is no secret. I re-iterate that my point was not so much against the individual concerned but more to do with the lack of action against the transgressions. As far as the individual is concerned, again I re-iterate that I don"t know the guy. Its irrelevant who it was... colourful character or not. The sort of behaviour I witnessed was over the top, unprofessional and unacceptable....in my opinion. If you like that sort of thing and feel it adds to the atmosphere then I respect your opinion but we will have to disagree. I am all for having characters at the table but there have to be some limits and standards of behaviour and on this occasion there didnt seem to be. It didn"t affect my game, it didn"t cause me to "tilt" - but it certainly wasn"t enjoyable or fun which is the atmosphere I would prefer to play in.

Yes I could have "had a quiet word"  at the time but firstly I don"t feel it is for individual players to request tournament directors take action against their opponenents and in any case the management can hardly have been unaware of what was happening as they were in close proximity for much of the time I was at the table in question. Secondly I had more pressing things to do with my time during the short breaks. Thirdly I wanted to concentrate on my own game at the time and not other people"s. I did think it was worth raising afterwards as a lesson that could be learned for future events

Anyway, the original point wasn"t supposed to turn into a slanging match between people who like it rough and those that don"t :-) - it was just an opinion. We"re all entitled to them. Nor was this the abiding memory of the event I shall be taking away with me. The most important thing is that overall it was a well organised and enjoyable weekend and regardless of minor issues like this I am looking forward to the next one


Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: WASP on September 01, 2009, 13:01:11 PM
meh

but I never used the words "hiding behind a keyboard" stop being so touchy life is too short  ;)
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: M3boy on September 01, 2009, 14:35:27 PM

meh

but I never used the words "hiding behind a keyboard" stop being so touchy life is too short  ;)


Not those exact words, no, but words to that effect.

Lets agree to disagree ;)
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: MintTrav on September 01, 2009, 14:54:45 PM
Oh don"t make up now ffs. Have some thought for those watching. I wouldn"t take that from him if I was you (whoever wishes to apply that to themselves).
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: bigalhx3 on September 01, 2009, 16:39:55 PM

Great event as usual thanks to APAT and DTD, very well run and a big congrats to all the cashers, medalist and winners.

Regarding problems with individuals, what I don"t get, if you have a problem why don"t you have a quiet word at the break or whenever, if that doesn"t work mention it to the TD or APAT.

Why do people always wait until they get behind their keyboards and start threads to raise these matters??

As usual I didn"t see any bother but I was rubbed down three times at the table the first time I let my game do the talking and bust him out, the second I had a quiet word on the break and he apologised (WP) the third time I was just too tired and it was coming from a guy I previously thought was nice and quiet but before I got a chance to fist him I moved tables and it was washing over me anyway.

You are always going to come across problems in any tournament you play, I"ve played many GUK games and in everyone I have seen more bother than I did this weekend.  It is just another part of the tourney process that you have manage and resolve yourself, add it to your tilt control process  ;)



so you not a fish then you do have a game
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: bigalhx3 on September 01, 2009, 16:48:04 PM

Great response mr "Wasp" Spending more time on your own game instead of worrying about others. With this kind of take and attitude towards not tilting, no wonder you do very well in tourneys.

Sorry about the beat, also to Al for his. I"m sure you will both return the favour soon. I suffered the same fate in Omaha and the Horse, but it"s all part of the Package.

Regards to the individual, i was not there on Saturday, so i can"t comment. He was there on Sunday , although i had to look for him as was a little subdued. This i found personally very sad. He"s one of the many great Apat characters. We have to be very careful that we don"t drive them away, and end up a little less colourful, maybe like the snooker as is now without the big bad boys. I had boys jumping across from 1 table to the other making prop bets and stuff. This was not a problem to me, it actually made the weekend even more fun. So where do we draw the line. I refer you back upto wasps post.

Thanks all for a great weekend and hope to sees you in Bolton.

P.S. can somebody post a picture of the Cows ::) Cheers Cardiff for looking after me.

Paul



no probs paul nice to see you again
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Cyntaf on September 01, 2009, 22:04:36 PM

I would also refute any accusation of hiding behind a keyboard....my identity is no secret. I re-iterate that my point was not so much against the individual concerned but more to do with the lack of action against the transgressions. As far as the individual is concerned, again I re-iterate that I don"t know the guy. Its irrelevant who it was... colourful character or not. The sort of behaviour I witnessed was over the top, unprofessional and unacceptable....in my opinion. If you like that sort of thing and feel it adds to the atmosphere then I respect your opinion but we will have to disagree. I am all for having characters at the table but there have to be some limits and standards of behaviour and on this occasion there didnt seem to be. It didn"t affect my game, it didn"t cause me to "tilt" - but it certainly wasn"t enjoyable or fun which is the atmosphere I would prefer to play in.

Yes I could have "had a quiet word"  at the time but firstly I don"t feel it is for individual players to request tournament directors take action against their opponenents and in any case the management can hardly have been unaware of what was happening as they were in close proximity for much of the time I was at the table in question. Secondly I had more pressing things to do with my time during the short breaks. Thirdly I wanted to concentrate on my own game at the time and not other people"s. I did think it was worth raising afterwards as a lesson that could be learned for future events

Anyway, the original point wasn"t supposed to turn into a slanging match between people who like it rough and those that don"t :-) - it was just an opinion. We"re all entitled to them. Nor was this the abiding memory of the event I shall be taking away with me. The most important thing is that overall it was a well organised and enjoyable weekend and regardless of minor issues like this I am looking forward to the next one




Great weekend for me with the help from Des, Tighty, TK, Leigh and the gang. Also Similar hard work from the Dtd team. When you say management should have said something?? Is this Dtd or Apat management? Perhaps had somebody shown their disapproval at the time then management may have reacted and there would be no thread to read here and now. It is very easy to say,"not my place to say anything" So why then are you now saying something. Oh yes let the bullets fly and complain later, that"s going to help a lot for the future.

Regarding colours of, yes your right it does not matter who it is individually.  My point is we all like different colour/flavour charachters, who"s to say what the standard should be? What"s good for you, maybe be downright awful for me. Now you mention some like it rough, :-) whilst trying to be funny, during a rant about an incident that upset your concentration. Well it just really smacks of you being out and out rude, merely because you didn"t like or fully understand peoples replies/views.

My concerns are, we should be talking up the positives on here, and yes i feel it would be best addressed at the time. Not everyone was there, but all and sundry can read this. It does not paint a very nice or anyway near to true picture of the overall Apat events. I realise this statement is somewhat ironic.

I don"t condone anyone being out of line if their actions cause stress etc for other people, I am pretty sure this was not the lads intention,  also think he would have wound his neck in if he was approached and Paul, I know you speak your mind.

I"m finished on the subject, except to say once again

Thanks for a great time, hope to see you Big Al + Moonfish @ Bolton, if not @ Liverpool GAla/ Coral first. :)

Come on Cardiff Boys/ Laxie Ger anyone. Lighten this up with a cow.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Chipaccrual on September 01, 2009, 22:10:56 PM
(http://barfblog.foodsafety.ksu.edu/HappyCow.jpg)

Maybe not appropriate, but too good to miss.   :D
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: mattblue on September 01, 2009, 22:26:02 PM
lol nice 1 got any sheep
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Chipaccrual on September 01, 2009, 22:39:00 PM

lol nice 1 got any sheep


What do you think I am, , Welsh ?
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: APAT on September 01, 2009, 22:54:23 PM
First of all, there is absolutely NO grounds for having a go at anyone who has raised this as an issue after the event.

It is a fact that (at least) a small number of players were upset because one member had too much to drink on Saturday evening.  I was pissed off by the situation and I"m pretty calm generally.  Clearly there is a limit to how much sense you can make to someone who has had too much to drink without having the venue management bar them and that"s the last step that APAT would want to see taken.  It is worth pointing out that while the member was loud and a messy, he wasn"t causing any trouble in the traditional sense.

Fact number 2 is that the member received a warning, a drinks ban and a ten minute penalty away from the table.  So, both the APAT and DTD management teams were involved in this situation once we became aware, which was pretty early on as far as I could tell.  The member broke the DTD drinks ban on at least two occasions that I saw.  Had the DTD team seen that, he would have been barred from the building there and then. 

As has been the case on the one occasion that this has happened previously, the member was in good form the following day and was no trouble whatsoever. 

Now here"s the thing.  APAT is not the GUKPT.  What may be acceptable there is not necessarily acceptable at APAT events.  Members know exactly where we stand on this type of situation, because we"ve been consistent in acting previously.  The APAT team have a responsibility to offer a great experience to 100% of the players there, not just any one group. 

So M3Boy and Jim5432 are absolutely within their rights to bring this subject up and I"d be disappointed to see any more pointing of the finger at them.

The APAT management team have already discussed the situation and I will feedback our thoughts directly to the member concerned.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Mikeyboy9361 on September 02, 2009, 09:35:57 AM
Well said Des. APAT is a terrific organisation, and it is the ability of Des and co who listen to the members, and implement ideas and ideologies that make it such.
There is always a place for characters, and the world would be a dull place without them, so lets continue to enjoy great events like last weekend without over stepping the mark.  :)
Well done to all the winners over the weekend, not jealous much.  ;)
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: jim5432 on September 02, 2009, 12:08:41 PM

First of all, there is absolutely NO grounds for having a go at anyone who has raised this as an issue after the event......As has been the case on the one occasion that this has happened previously, the member was in good form the following day and was no trouble whatsoever..........So M3Boy and Jim5432 are absolutely within their rights to bring this subject up and I"d be disappointed to see any more pointing of the finger at them.


Thank you for that....I was beginning to wish I hadn"t said anything at all.

And I am pleased to hear there were no further problems the next day....I am not a killjoy and would not want the guy to get himself barred or anything like that...my only concern is that everyone gets a chance to enjoy the events as much as possible.

Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Marty719 on September 03, 2009, 09:46:08 AM
Firstly, epic tournaments, epic weekend, epic people, epic fun.  A huge thanks to everyone - it was fantastic to put faces to names.

One thing I thought I would bring up (didnt want to as it was the only thing of the whole weekend that was wrong).  We were playing 800/1600 at the end of day 1a.  Think we were table 45 but could be wrong, Laxie had busted from the table about 1hr previous to this.  A young guy in seat 5 gets the lady is seat 8 aipf w/ his A7 vs her A8.  The flop ran out 10 9 2 6 2 and the pot was awarded to the lady with A8.  The dealer scooped the cards b4 I spoke up that it was a chop.  He thought about it, and then just moved on to the next hand.  The woman stated that the hand was over now so it nothing could be checked or verified.  I did not keep on w/ my argument as I was not involved in the hand and didn"t feel it was my position to do so, but strangely seat 5 did not either (despite it being for 65% of his chips).  Apart from this the dealers were phenomenal, just thot this was a weird spot.  What should b done in this situation after the hand is finished?  Should I continue to bring-up the mistake or am I right to stay quiet after originally bringing it up?
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: M3boy on September 03, 2009, 09:49:23 AM

Firstly, epic tournaments, epic weekend, epic people, epic fun.  A huge thanks to everyone - it was fantastic to put faces to names.

One thing I thought I would bring up (didnt want to as it was the only thing of the whole weekend that was wrong).  We were playing 800/1600 at the end of day 1a.  Think we were table 45 but could be wrong, Laxie had busted from the table about 1hr previous to this.  A young guy in seat 5 gets the lady is seat 8 aipf w/ his A7 vs her A8.  The flop ran out 10 9 2 6 2 and the pot was awarded to the lady with A8.  The dealer scooped the cards b4 I spoke up that it was a chop.  He thought about it, and then just moved on to the next hand.  The woman stated that the hand was over now so it nothing could be checked or verified.  I did not keep on w/ my argument as I was not involved in the hand and didn"t feel it was my position to do so, but strangely seat 5 did not either (despite it being for 65% of his chips).  Apart from this the dealers were phenomenal, just thot this was a weird spot.  What should b done in this situation after the hand is finished?  Should I continue to bring-up the mistake or am I right to stay quiet after originally bringing it up?


It should be the player involved who brings it up, but anyone can.

You announce you think there has been a mistake to the dealer and ask for a ruling. The TD will come over and as long as the flop and hole cards can be agreed upon, the pot will then be re-distributed correctly.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Laxie on September 03, 2009, 09:59:59 AM
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We were playing 800/1600 at the end of day 1a.  Think we were table 45 but could be wrong, Laxie had busted from the table about 1hr previous to this.


Blatant brag post IMO
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Marty719 on September 03, 2009, 10:02:41 AM

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We were playing 800/1600 at the end of day 1a.  Think we were table 45 but could be wrong, Laxie had busted from the table about 1hr previous to this.


Blatant brag post IMO


lol, alas - it was my last level :)
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: kinboshi on September 03, 2009, 10:53:11 AM


Firstly, epic tournaments, epic weekend, epic people, epic fun.  A huge thanks to everyone - it was fantastic to put faces to names.

One thing I thought I would bring up (didnt want to as it was the only thing of the whole weekend that was wrong).  We were playing 800/1600 at the end of day 1a.  Think we were table 45 but could be wrong, Laxie had busted from the table about 1hr previous to this.  A young guy in seat 5 gets the lady is seat 8 aipf w/ his A7 vs her A8.  The flop ran out 10 9 2 6 2 and the pot was awarded to the lady with A8.  The dealer scooped the cards b4 I spoke up that it was a chop.  He thought about it, and then just moved on to the next hand.  The woman stated that the hand was over now so it nothing could be checked or verified.  I did not keep on w/ my argument as I was not involved in the hand and didn"t feel it was my position to do so, but strangely seat 5 did not either (despite it being for 65% of his chips).  Apart from this the dealers were phenomenal, just thot this was a weird spot.  What should b done in this situation after the hand is finished?  Should I continue to bring-up the mistake or am I right to stay quiet after originally bringing it up?


It should be the player involved who brings it up, but anyone can.

You announce you think there has been a mistake to the dealer and ask for a ruling. The TD will come over and as long as the flop and hole cards can be agreed upon, the pot will then be re-distributed correctly.


Yes, I"m with Paul.  Best for the players involved to mention it, but if no one else picks up on it anyone can bring it up - as it"s the cards that should speak.

If the dealer doesn"t want to know, then ask for the floor to be called.  Even if you"re wrong, there"s no real harm done.  If you"re right, then everyone should be thankful (although the person who was incorrectly awarded the pot initially might not be!).
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Marty719 on September 03, 2009, 11:24:23 AM
Yea I think  I shuda pressed a bit harder.  It was def 10 9 2 6 2 so was a 100% split.  Just didnt want to badger on as I figured if the guy who lost the pot wasnt complaining about it, it wasnt my place.  
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Jon MW on September 03, 2009, 11:29:53 AM

Yea I think  I shuda pressed a bit harder.  It was def 10 9 2 6 2 so was a 100% split.  Just didnt want to badger on as I figured if the guy who lost the pot wasnt complaining about it, it wasnt my place. 


If the player who should have won half the pot was easy to read, or if the player who got awarded the whole pot was particularly good - then I"d definitely bring it up and get it redistributed. :)
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: kinboshi on September 03, 2009, 11:30:15 AM

Yea I think  I shuda pressed a bit harder.  It was def 10 9 2 6 2 so was a 100% split.  Just didnt want to badger on as I figured if the guy who lost the pot wasnt complaining about it, it wasnt my place. 


It affects everyone though in a tournament doesn"t it?

Even in a cash game I speak up here, even though it arguably doesn"t matter to anyone else except those involved.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Hammerite on September 03, 2009, 17:09:48 PM
There is cctv on all tables so this dispute would have been easily sorted if the player wronged had wanted to persue it.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: deanp27 on September 03, 2009, 17:13:14 PM

There is cctv on all tables so this dispute would have been easily sorted if the player wronged had wanted to persue it.


i doubt they would stop the tournament for so long to check a ruling on CCTV.

Only time i have seen CCTV used was after break in the £330 when a guy came back and claimed half his stack disappeared during the break.
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: mattblue on September 03, 2009, 21:23:03 PM
no one was bother when i was allin 3 times for £100 in cash at dtd lol may be 4 woop wooop i should of carried on drinking
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: Waz1892 on September 03, 2009, 21:54:08 PM


There is cctv on all tables so this dispute would have been easily sorted if the player wronged had wanted to persue it.


i doubt they would stop the tournament for so long to check a ruling on CCTV.

Only time i have seen CCTV used was after break in the £330 when a guy came back and claimed half his stack disappeared during the break.


had it??
Title: Re: APAT WCofAP at DTD
Post by: deanp27 on September 03, 2009, 22:08:54 PM



There is cctv on all tables so this dispute would have been easily sorted if the player wronged had wanted to persue it.


i doubt they would stop the tournament for so long to check a ruling on CCTV.

Only time i have seen CCTV used was after break in the £330 when a guy came back and claimed half his stack disappeared during the break.


had it??


not according to the CCTV