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Archive Boards => Archive => General Live Poker Discussion => Topic started by: MintTrav on November 10, 2009, 16:35:40 PM
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thing is, if a pro is entitled to play in the main event, then he is perfectly entitled to try and qualify through a satellite. This is just good use of their "edge" - gaining cheaper entry is +EV, an that"s what poker is all about.
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its what steve holden does for all the uk events. he could buy straight in but the bottom line is he is so good at sats. Pro or no pro if you dont have to pay the full buy in and get in for cheaper then why shouldnt they..
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thing is, if a pro is entitled to play in the main event, then he is perfectly entitled to try and qualify through a satellite. This is just good use of their "edge" - gaining cheaper entry is +EV, an that"s what poker is all about.
3 in a row!! ;)
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he is so good at sats
Not the avillan I know. Have you ever played satellites against him? I have many many times and I love to see him on my table. It"s a race to see if I can get his chips before someone else does cos he always busts out early. I"m sure it would be cheaper for him to just buy in direct.
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thing is, if a pro is entitled to play in the main event, then he is perfectly entitled to try and qualify through a satellite. This is just good use of their "edge" - gaining cheaper entry is +EV, an that"s what poker is all about.
3 in a row!! ;)
Scary!
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I dont rly see the problem with this, poker is all about being shrewd and the shrewdest players are the professionals so why cant they be greedy and make a little money by not having to pay a full buyin?
Didn"t he got robbed as well? AND he didn"t satellite this seat... his life must soo crap at the moment!
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This is standard. Pretty much all the pros satellite in to the big tournaments. I used to do live updates for a major tour and we were given the list of online qualifiers to follow, and you"d see some very big UK poker names on there, people that have made WSOP Final Tables, for example.
Tournament Pros who don"t have sponsorship deals have to do it this way, otherwise it wouldn"t be profitable for them unless they FT"d every event they played.
However, nothing compares to satellites for the WSOP and major events on Stars and Tilt, where repeat winners can take the cash, as there are specific satellite pros who win ridiculous amounts of money - one player won 100 seats on Stars for the WSOP one year...and he was aged 19, so had to take the cash for ALL of them.
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In "Poker tournmament formula 2" by Arnold synder, there is actually a chapter devoted to playing live sats into the WSOP main event. He tells you what to play and how to track results to make them profitable. I belive there are satellite specialists in vegas who make really big money by cashing in their seats that they will win, because they know how to exploite the games and take advantadge of the Ammutures with a dream.
Evan Harrington, in one of his books, says it is not uncommon for some big pros who cant get sponsored, to try and get in on the cheap.
And Scotty Nyguen actually sated into his main event, and took down the whole thing back in 1998. He was a pro player at the time, who was close to going broke, so matasow Staked him into the satellite for 50% buyin, and gained 300k out of his Million dollar win.
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Doesn"t anyone agree with me? Someone?
As I seem to be in a minority of myself, could someone explain what I am missing here? I can see the point about lesser so-called professionals, but someone like Channing is loaded. As I see it, you are the guys whose seat he is trying to take, but you are all defending him, even to your own detriment. Several people say they disagree with my post, without explaining why. I don"t understand. What am I missing?
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Wld like to agree with you Trav but finding it hard to think of a way to! It would inexcusable if he helped someone else qualify or if he didn"t pay a full buyin
But he paid his % of the prize pool and entitled to have a crack at it rly.
Basically the whole principle of poker is to exploit the weak. If your stronger why should you not exploit the weak? Even if he could easily afford it, kudos to him for trying rly, shows the mentality ppl need to get to the top.
Subject kind of has similarities to http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=4670.0. At the time I just found it funny that on pocket fives all the ppl that were slating this guy for supposedly taking extra 10K were the same ppl who play 50NL & 100NL and would snap steal a buyin 10 times from a fish which some could say is also unethical ?
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I agree it"s irritating, but so is losing a 60/40 and that happens all the time too.
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he is so good at sats
Not the avillan I know. Have you ever played satellites against him? I have many many times and I love to see him on my table. It"s a race to see if I can get his chips before someone else does cos he always busts out early. I"m sure it would be cheaper for him to just buy in direct.
Avillan was playing the Inside Poker Freeroll to the Blackpool GUKPT ME on BSQ last night...... he busted out in the first 6 hands!
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I don"t blame pros for wanting to get in on the cheap. Just because they have the extra money doesn"t mean they should be randomly throwing it away.
I"m also a firm believer that if I"m not good enough to get in via a satellite, then I have no business playing the main event anyway. In fairness, once you get that seat you have to face the pros in the main. May as well get some practice in with them during the satellite. Might not get your seat, but might learn a thing or two along the way.
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they play for a living so they have to maximise ROI and sats are definitely soft as hell.
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Dont agree with you Trav. You might as well say loaded players shouldnt enter big payout poker tournaments cause they are already loaded and dont need the money etc.
My brother once found himself in a 3 handed satellite with Todd Brunson. $12,000 package for 1st, $8000 cash for 2nd and zero for third. He recalls how the railers seemed to worship Todd appreciating his every play whether good or bad. I think this started to irritate my bro to some extent. Anyway it was about 3am they where 3 handed and my bro had recently lost the chip lead to Todd who had got lucky in a hand again, with cries of "well played" from sychophantic railers. So my bro gets KQ and raises and is called by Todd. The flop comes 10 high and my brother pushes in putting Todd to a decision for almost all his chips. Unfortunately for my bro Todd flopped trip 10"s and was called instantly to go out in 3rd place, accompanied by comments such as "awesome Todd", "You owned him" and so forth. ::)
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he is so good at sats
Not the avillan I know. Have you ever played satellites against him? I have many many times and I love to see him on my table. It"s a race to see if I can get his chips before someone else does cos he always busts out early. I"m sure it would be cheaper for him to just buy in direct.
do you not think this is part of his strategy?
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he is so good at sats
Not the avillan I know. Have you ever played satellites against him? I have many many times and I love to see him on my table. It"s a race to see if I can get his chips before someone else does cos he always busts out early. I"m sure it would be cheaper for him to just buy in direct.
do you not think this is part of his strategy?
Oh defo, just pointing it out, FWIW ;)
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Mr Murray, I agree with you on this one.
Not really!!
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Thanks for your support Dan! I"ve given up on this subject as there don"t seem to be
many who agree with me. I"ll just have to accept that it is an accepted situation in poker. I promise not to mention the phrase "turkeys voting for Christmas" - perhaps some are anticipating the day they turn pro themselves.
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"turkeys voting for Christmas"
not the best analogy, given that I"m not going to lose my life playing a satellite with a pro taking part, but I can see your point.
My point is that, if we amateurs are such dead money in satellites littered with pros, then what is the point of playing satellites (with no pros in) to qualify for a tourney that we would be dead money in, because it is full of pros.
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Thanks for your support Dan! I"ve given up on this subject as there don"t seem to be many who agree with me. I"ll just have to accept that it is an accepted situation in poker. I promise not to mention the phrase "turkeys voting for Christmas" - perhaps some are anticipating the day they turn pro themselves.
quack quack Osorry thats a duck merry xmas
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I like the pro"s on my table in satalites............
I liken it to having Scouse,Mattblue and The Duke on my table in a $5 Apat re-buy qualifier....weeeeeeeeeee.
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Thanks for your support Dan! I"ve given up on this subject as there don"t seem to be many who agree with me. I"ll just have to accept that it is an accepted situation in poker. I promise not to mention the phrase "turkeys voting for Christmas" - perhaps some are anticipating the day they turn pro themselves.
quack quack Osorry thats a duck merry xmas
here turkey turkey come here u stupit bird of with your heed hes not voting 4 christmas now is he trav
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"turkeys voting for Christmas"
not the best analogy, given that I"m not going to lose my life
S"funny, I thought this was a well-known analogy for people who support something that is contrary to their own interest. Maybe not as well-known as I thought.
Samuel - best not to post when you"ve been drinking.
I resign.
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"turkeys voting for Christmas"
not the best analogy, given that I"m not going to lose my life
S"funny, I thought this was a well-known analogy for people who support something that is contrary to their own interest. Maybe not as well-known as I thought.
Samuel - best not to post when you"ve been drinking.
I resign.
Good work lads.
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Played the GUKPT in Blackpool this weekend and on my opening table was seated next to Channing with Paul Parker plus another pro, whose name I don"t know, also on there......and George Bedi too !!!
Channing was rabbitting on constantly about how APAT players shouldn"t be allowed to satellite in as we were all too good for him.....at least I THINK that was what he said........
.......then again........maybe not !!
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Hope that you told him. one day a APAT regualr was going to win a big event and that we are the next generation of poker players. Out of all of us, one of us has to make it big someday, come on boys and girls lets do it.................
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hes rite we are better than him
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roberto romanello played a couple of early apats.... enough said
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Played the GUKPT in Blackpool this weekend and on my opening table was seated next to Channing with Paul Parker plus another pro, whose name I don"t know, also on there......and George Bedi too !!!
Channing was rabbitting on constantly about how APAT players shouldn"t be allowed to satellite in as we were all too good for him.....at least I THINK that was what he said........
.......then again........maybe not !!
.....Maybe a suckout story looming Bri?