Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Online Poker => Topic started by: RioRodent on October 10, 2007, 20:24:52 PM
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Are 5000 chips really necessary?
With 15 min blind levels, I think 3000 chips would be plenty for these satellites.
What d"ya all reckon?
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Are 5000 chips really necessary?
With 15 min blind levels, I think 3000 chips would be plenty for these satellites.
What d"ya all reckon?
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I qualified on the Monday night satellites, I think it finished about 1am.
For the last hour+ the skill factor had completely gone from the game and I found it very dull. I didn"t enjoy folding my way to a seat and would have prefered if points had been available or more money for higher places. Coupled with the fact that I had to get up early the next day for work I would welcome any change that is going to give and earlier finish (without turning it into a crapshoot).
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Never happy.... ;D
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Never happy.... ;D
Very happy; just knackered. ;D >:(
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I am concerned with very late finishing times, particularly on a Thursday evening. Should we be cutting back to 3,000 chips?
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I am concerned with very late finishing times, particularly on a Thursday evening. Should we be cutting back to 3,000 chips?
I"m sure someone with more knowledge that me on tourney structures will work it all out but my gut feel is yes, 3000 would be fine. ???
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Never happy.... ;D
Very happy; just knackered. ;D >:(
I was actually talking about the miserable sod Rio. But if the cap fits...;D
(Shouldn"t do so well in the sats should you, and you could get an early night!)
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for what it is worth my opinion would be to stay with 5000 chips for the saturday events and have 3000 for the thursday events. I also played in the satellite on monday finishing at 1am and i had to be at work for 6am, didn"t get much sleep at all.
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How about meeting in the middle 4000 chips personaly i like more chips there are not many online tournys or sats were u get a good structure.
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5,000 sounds fine for the online events, and 3,000 for the online sats?
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I am concerned with very late finishing times, particularly on a Thursday evening. Should we be cutting back to 3,000 chips?
Well satellites and regular tournaments do play out differently, but I assume that Monday"s game ended when it was down to 16 people, and that was about 00:41 I think... play that down to a winner you might be looking at another 90 - 120 mins.
Not having the antes does make a big difference.
When you consider that a regular tournament on BlSq is 1500 chips and 10 min blinds, I think that 3000 and 15 mins will give plenty of play... for both satellites and APAT Online Series games.
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Is it not possible to keep 5000 chips but start a little earlier on a Thursday? People who work afternoon or night shift are pretty much stuffed but the vast majority of people who work office hours would be home by 6.30pm allowing the tourney to have a fighting chance of being finished before midnight allowing the early risers some semblance of a good night"s sleep.
N.B. Before I get flamed, I am NOT saying the vast majority of people work office hours, but of those that DO work office hours, the vast majority would be home by 6.30pm. God I"m so defensive!
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Is it not possible to keep 5000 chips but start a little earlier on a Thursday? People who work afternoon or night shift are pretty much stuffed but the vast majority of people who work office hours would be home by 6.30pm allowing the tourney to have a fighting chance of being finished before midnight allowing the early risers some semblance of a good night"s sleep.
N.B. Before I get flamed, I am NOT saying the vast majority of people work office hours, but of those that DO work office hours, the vast majority would be home by 6.30pm. God I"m so defensive!
The commuter trains out of Waterloo at 6.45pm suggest otherwise.
6.30pm is way too early to start.
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5,000 sounds fine for the online events, and 3,000 for the online sats?
(http://blondepoker.com/forum/Smileys/default/dontask.gif)
I like the sound of this, keep 5000 for the events because there is points up for grabs.
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I cant believe people are arguing about having too many chips! The structure isnt the best but reducing the chips means that we are taking away the play. These events are supposed to be the stand out from the internet norm.
Any decision to reduce the starting stack for any one type of event would seem hypocracy and contrary to the APAT ethos we have all so readily recognised as a shining light in the poker industry.
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I am concerned with very late finishing times, particularly on a Thursday evening. Should we be cutting back to 3,000 chips?
Well satellites and regular tournaments do play out differently, but I assume that Monday"s game ended when it was down to 16 people, and that was about 00:41 I think... play that down to a winner you might be looking at another 90 - 120 mins.
Not having the antes does make a big difference.
When you consider that a regular tournament on BlSq is 1500 chips and 10 min blinds, I think that 3000 and 15 mins will give plenty of play... for both satellites and APAT Online Series games.
I agree with Rio as I think this allows plenty play in what is effectively quite a low stakes tournament (in monetary terms of course, the prestige and medal cannot be measured ;)
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5,000 sounds fine for the online events, and 3,000 for the online sats?
(http://blondepoker.com/forum/Smileys/default/dontask.gif)
I like the sound of this, keep 5000 for the events because there is points up for grabs.
Well, the title of the thread is "Online Satellites - Too many chips??". And, incedently, that is why it was originally posted on the "APAT Championship" board. It was not a comment about the APAT "Online Series".
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For the online Sats, I"m in favour of 3000 Chips and 15 min blinds. I watched for as long as I could on Monday night but it took almost 1hr for the last 5 players to be knocked out in the foldfest.
For the Thursday Events, I"m in favour of 3000 chips and an earlier start. I would vote for 7:00 if asked but even 7:30 would be more acceptable. They"re going to attract as many players if not more than the recent English Championship Satellites, and as each will be played to the end (for points and medals), a 7:00 start would be likely to finish before midnight.
Just my thoughts ...
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For the online satellites I think reducing it to 3000 chips sounds vaguely sensible.
As for the championship event.
My understanding was that a significant minority of people suggested that Saturday nights weren"t suitable for them in season 1, and (amongst other factors) helped launch the weekday championship event.
Overall it is difficult to get a broader picture without seeing how a number of events play out (how many runners they get, how long they last etc.) But in principle I can"t see how the weekday tournament can have a different structure to the weekend one - and I can"t see how APAt can deliberately make it a worse structure by reducing the starting chip count.
Remember - you don"t have to play every event - it"s only the top 20 results that count. So I would hope that all those who said they couldn"t play in the weekend tournament in Season 1 fill up the Thursday events, and all those who have to get up early on Fridays fill up the Saturday events.
Unless there is a complete disaster I don"t think it will be necessary to change the current format before the end of season 2. At that point APAt will have a whole years worth of statistics to analyse the impact of the current structure and make any suitable amendments for season 3.
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For the online satellites I think reducing it to 3000 chips sounds vaguely sensible.
As for the championship event.
My understanding was that a significant minority of people suggested that Saturday nights weren"t suitable for them in season 1, and (amongst other factors) helped launch the weekday championship event.
I was one of the "minority" who suggested that Saturdays weren"t always the easiest days to play online poker as social events tend to clash with this time of the week. I"m a postie (dont mention the strike) and have to be up at 4.30am but i"m willing to go without a few hours sleep once a fortnight to play in the online series. Please keep them at 5000 chips as has already been mentioned this is partly what Apat is about, deepstack tournies at afordable buy-ins. (cant make Saturdays event due to a prior engagement).
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5,000 sounds fine for the online events, and 3,000 for the online sats?
(http://blondepoker.com/forum/Smileys/default/dontask.gif)
I like the sound of this, keep 5000 for the events because there is points up for grabs.
Well, the title of the thread is "Online Satellites - Too many chips??". And, incedently, that is why it was originally posted on the "APAT Championship" board. It was not a comment about the APAT "Online Series".
...I think we were agreeing with you Alan.
;D
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For the online satellites I think reducing it to 3000 chips sounds vaguely sensible.
As for the championship event.
My understanding was that a significant minority of people suggested that Saturday nights weren"t suitable for them in season 1, and (amongst other factors) helped launch the weekday championship event.
I was one of the "minority" who suggested that Saturdays weren"t always the easiest days to play online poker as social events tend to clash with this time of the week. I"m a postie (dont mention the strike) and have to be up at 4.30am but i"m willing to go without a few hours sleep once a fortnight to play in the online series. Please keep them at 5000 chips as has already been mentioned this is partly what Apat is about, deepstack tournies at afordable buy-ins. (cant make Saturdays event due to a prior engagement).
does your union rep know you"ve been posting ?
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;D
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5,000 sounds fine for the online events, and 3,000 for the online sats?
(http://blondepoker.com/forum/Smileys/default/dontask.gif)
I like the sound of this, keep 5000 for the events because there is points up for grabs.
Well, the title of the thread is "Online Satellites - Too many chips??". And, incedently, that is why it was originally posted on the "APAT Championship" board. It was not a comment about the APAT "Online Series".
...I think we were agreeing with you Alan.
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If we were able to vote, ??? My vote would be for the 5000 to remain for all ranking events and 3000 for satellites.
OMG I"ve just agreed with kin, what"s happening to me? :-[
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Seconded.....
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It will be interesting to get everyone"s views after playing in one.
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It will be interesting to get everyone"s views after playing in one.
I predict final table will start around level 22... 5 1/2 hrs play plus 20-25 mins breaks... maybe 1.30 - 2.00 am.
Good luck to those still in!!!
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Day off tomorrow so I dont mind a late finish
10000 chips at present
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It will be interesting to get everyone"s views after playing in one.
I predict final table will start around level 22... 5 1/2 hrs play plus 20-25 mins breaks... maybe 1.30 - 2.00 am.
Good luck to those still in!!!
Mystic Meg. ;D
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Given last nights result I would say the original question should be answered with a YES.
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Well we finished last night around 2.20 am.
The heads up was quite a marathon for online tourneys.
I am a very keen advocate of 5000 chips deep stack, it is what APAT is about.
I cant see how you can have different starting chips for weekday tourneys compared to weekend ones.
Of course the fact I won might make me a little biased ;D
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a 6 hr online MTT is too long for me, with work the following day to consider
Not that I should worry too much about the lack of sleep, given how easily I donked my chips away.
I do agree that deep stacks are what APAT is about and any suggestion to change starting stacks and blind levels would be out purely selfish motives. Sounded like a great tourney with a good turnout. Looking forward to the next one, whenever that will be for me.
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I thought last nights structure was excellent, and allowed for a fair amount of play. Unfortunately too many pople entered ;D
Tiredness really started to kick in after midnight and I ended up folding KQs to a minimum raise all in by two others, only to see the flop come 9c th js - couldnt believe it and spent the next 5 minutes berating everything rather loudly. >:( (not good at that hour of the day). Having got to second with 80k chips it would have put me over the 100k mark.
Then proceeded to donk off my remaining chips with a K9 to A3 on an AKx flop - stoopid. Okay very tired and stoopid.
So all in all a late night Monday (qualified for Walsall), a late night Thursday (11th place) and no doubt another late night tomorrow. (If I make it that far).
But hey nobody said it was easy....... :P
PS For what its worth a 7 - 7:30pm start wouldn"t be too bad as the slow structure allows pre-registration and you wont lose too many chips. Alternatively how about 4500 chips as a compromise. :-\
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good point. An earlier start would be appreciated, again only for selfish reasons. I sat down 30 mins in yesterday and had only lost a handful of chips.
So an early start isn"t too bad for the commuter crew.
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I think I read somewhere that APAt are trying to get BSq to reintroduce the antes. This would help. Des, can you confrm?
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I did not play this Thursday, but if it's going to be a 2am finish all the time I don't think I will be playing any. Why not reduce the starting chips to 3000 for a Thursday?
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I think I read somewhere that APAt are trying to get BSq to reintroduce the antes. This would help. Des, can you confrm?
Definitely, but this is in the development queue at Playtech, so could take some time to deliver. Along with a number of other very obvious improvements.
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a 6 hr online MTT is too long for me, with work the following day to consider
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That"s the same for me, that"s why I will usually not be playing them.
And the people who can"t play the Saturday ones for family or work reasons will miss the Saturday ones.
But not every result counts, so you don"t have to play both the Saturday and the Thursday ones - it"s perfectly feasible to only play one or the other the whole season.
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I for one will not be playing another online one unless the starting chips are lowered, it just takes far to long, Thursday work the next day and well Saturday is social day (i should imagine this is the same for a lot), so I cant see me playing many if any of these which is a shame.
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... Saturday is social day (i should imagine this is the same for a lot), so I cant see me playing many if any of these which is a shame.
It is a shame, but if people choose to do other social things than socially play poker it"s entirely up to them. I don"t think the aim of these tournaments should be to get as many players as possible - it should be to provide the best possible tournament for those that choose to play it.
I definitely won"t be playing many Thursday tournaments because of work, and I might miss a fair few saturday ones. But I don"t think they should be changed to enable me to play more - I think they should only be changed to make improvements to the tournament itself.