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Poker Forum => Online Archive => Online Poker => General Online Poker Discussion => Topic started by: Waz1892 on January 10, 2010, 19:51:58 PM
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why is one player in red in the table list?
And why on earth would 1 table have 53 players waiting?? (pre flop % was high, 31%..others had more)
Anyone know?
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It"ll be one of the full tilt pros.
Everyone wants to play against a big name - just for the experience...say they ran a successful bluff on etc.
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his name was steve wong from netherlands....but his table had 81 waiting.
it was other table that had 53 waiting..couldn"t workout why?
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What limit was it ?
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What limit was it ?
0.05/ 0.10..nlh
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Recently thers been a massive flux of "red" pros playing the low stakes. Dave colclough the other night was playing 10-25c. And there is a German bird who is on every night on the lower tables, cant remember her name. evan Phil Ivey has a 50-$1 table where he has a seat reserved for him. Must be boaring for him to be playing that low.
Maybe its in their contract to play so many hands per year at lower levels, so that the ammutures can experiance playing a pro?
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Recently thers been a massive flux of "red" pros playing the low stakes. Dave colclough the other night was playing 10-25c. And there is a German bird who is on every night on the lower tables, cant remember her name. evan Phil Ivey has a 50-$1 table where he has a seat reserved for him. Must be boaring for him to be playing that low.
Maybe its in their contract to play so many hands per year at lower levels, so that the ammutures can experiance playing a pro?
WOTS AN AMMUTURE
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nice one Tony. I find Marcel much more dangerous to play than you. He could have any two cards, and i think he maybe just shades it in the luck department also.
repeat after me ... i am a moron i am a moron keep repeating until u realise that... oh u do ....
Having thought about this rediculas comment i have come to the conclusion that it must be fear as ive aledy turned u over last season eh eh !! pardon ::)
Yeah, wot"s an ammuture? That"s a rediculas word to use!
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Recently thers been a massive flux of "red" pros playing the low stakes. Dave colclough the other night was playing 10-25c. And there is a German bird who is on every night on the lower tables, cant remember her name. evan Phil Ivey has a 50-$1 table where he has a seat reserved for him. Must be boaring for him to be playing that low.
Maybe its in their contract to play so many hands per year at lower levels, so that the ammutures can experiance playing a pro?
WOTS AN AMMUTURE
Ammuture noun
1. A person who engages in a study, sport, or other activity for pleasure rather than for financial benefit
2. A person inexperienced or unskilled in a particular activity
3. Tony Trippier
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think u missed the point of my quote..... standard though eh..... if u feel the need look up how its spelt b4 showing urself up...: amateur ...someone who cant spell
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think u missed the point of my quote..... standard though eh..... if u feel the need look up how its spelt b4 showing urself up...: amateur ...someone who cant spell
I think I realised that Amateur is not spelt Ammature. The response was meant to be tongue in cheek.
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Now now girls :o
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its ok, we made up last night.
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Hey guys, listen to this.
Small stakes NLH cash game on fulltilt...on a board of AAAAx. so a king is the nuts ok. both guys have a king in hole cards, and they both check the river......lllllloooooooooooooooollllllll..
I have never seen 2 players check the nuts on the river before. Goes to show the ammount of players who dont know what they are doing. I nearly fell out of my chair when both cards were revealed.
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what was the river card .... oh err mmmmmmmmmmmm
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Hey guys, listen to this.
Small stakes NLH cash game on fulltilt...on a board of AAAAx. so a king is the nuts ok. both guys have a king in hole cards, and they both check the river......lllllloooooooooooooooollllllll..
I have never seen 2 players check the nuts on the river before. Goes to show the ammount of players who dont know what they are doing. I nearly fell out of my chair when both cards were revealed.
I saw something similar in a headsup match on youtube. Chad Brown looked bemused when his opponent thought that when the board produced quads they automatically split the pot. He went to great pains to point out that his A hole card meant that he had the nuts. It then dawned on him that he had checked the nuts behind her on the river. What a pair of plonkers! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8ImyrnzVMU
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Checking the nuts on the river if you"re last to act is actually very bad, often considered cheating.
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Checking the your nuts on the river if you"re last to act is actually very bad, often considered cheating.
fyp
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In the WSOP main event 2009, i heard a story somewhere that there was a woman who checked the nuts in position on the river, She had a straight on a non paired, non flush board and she checked behind not knowing that she had a straight. I think the dealer called the floor manager over and she was given a 10 min sitout penalty for soft play.
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Juha Helppi did it in the Poker Million. His reasoning was that he knew the other guy (forget who it was) would fold if he bet, and he wanted to see the other guy"s cards. Therefore, soft play, or a reasonable move to try and improve his edge?
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Playing FT cash 05/10nl 10 players on 2 tables.
My buy in was $10 on each table.
Played 501 hands, and made just over $8
This seemed to be little for the length of time, and amount of hands...
Question - is this a good session (winning one yes, so good in that way) or is this grinding beyond grinding!
table amount went from around $4 upto $13 on 2 table, and the other didn"t really fluc beyond $8-14
i mean it is a 40% increase for the session. and if i reapted this for the rest of the week, weekly total would be $150.58 profit
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Playing FT cash 05/10nl 10 players on 2 tables.
My buy in was $10 on each table.
Played 501 hands, and made just over $8
This seemed to be little for the length of time, and amount of hands...
Question - is this a good session (winning one yes, so good in that way) or is this grinding beyond grinding!
table amount went from around $4 upto $13 on 2 table, and the other didn"t really fluc beyond $8-14
i mean it is a 40% increase for the session. and if i reapted this for the rest of the week, weekly total would be $150.58 profit
Don"t worry about other peoples opinions, if you are happy with the result then that"s all that matters. ;D
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i played a few sessions recently in janruary on fulltilt totaling 6.3k hands at 10-25c......was a real swingy few days and i broke exactly evan.
i was up a few hundred, then back down then up and back down....but paid $115 in rake. pretty annoying, i just never put a consistent run together untill the start of Feb. as long as you get your money in good often and play well, the variance will find you the middle ground and sort it-self out.
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Playing FT cash 05/10nl 10 players on 2 tables.
My buy in was $10 on each table.
Played 501 hands, and made just over $8
This seemed to be little for the length of time, and amount of hands...
Question - is this a good session (winning one yes, so good in that way) or is this grinding beyond grinding!
table amount went from around $4 upto $13 on 2 table, and the other didn"t really fluc beyond $8-14
i mean it is a 40% increase for the session. and if i reapted this for the rest of the week, weekly total would be $150.58 profit
Something to consider is increasing the number of tables. At this limit in particular, you only really need to play ABC poker - the meta game just doesn"t exist here - and can therefore bump up the tables to 4, 6 or even 8+. OK your ROI might slip from the 40% you just achieved.... but 25% across 8 buy-ins is more than 40% across two buy-ins, and therefore a significantly higher earnings per hour.
There"s a really good article on this in the current PokerPlayer, and although it was written specific to STTs, the mechanics also apply to low limit cash.
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Playing FT cash 05/10nl 10 players on 2 tables.
My buy in was $10 on each table.
Played 501 hands, and made just over $8
This seemed to be little for the length of time, and amount of hands...
Question - is this a good session (winning one yes, so good in that way) or is this grinding beyond grinding!
table amount went from around $4 upto $13 on 2 table, and the other didn"t really fluc beyond $8-14
i mean it is a 40% increase for the session. and if i reapted this for the rest of the week, weekly total would be $150.58 profit
Something to consider is increasing the number of tables. At this limit in particular, you only really need to play ABC poker - the meta game just doesn"t exist here - and can therefore bump up the tables to 4, 6 or even 8+. OK your ROI might slip from the 40% you just achieved.... but 25% across 8 buy-ins is more than 40% across two buy-ins, and therefore a significantly higher earnings per hour.
There"s a really good article on this in the current PokerPlayer, and although it was written specific to STTs, the mechanics also apply to low limit cash.
simple logic being volume of table, meaning more cash....good point, but I would lose the ability (wot little I have) in seeing patterns, and players who are that little bit worse than me....so not sure I"d be any good at multi-ing more than the 2 i do.
I"ll re-read the STT strag - ty. always good to learn from better players, so cheers for comments...
Playing FT cash 05/10nl 10 players on 2 tables.
My buy in was $10 on each table.
Played 501 hands, and made just over $8
This seemed to be little for the length of time, and amount of hands...
Question - is this a good session (winning one yes, so good in that way) or is this grinding beyond grinding!
table amount went from around $4 upto $13 on 2 table, and the other didn"t really fluc beyond $8-14
i mean it is a 40% increase for the session. and if i reapted this for the rest of the week, weekly total would be $150.58 profit
Don"t worry about other peoples opinions, if you are happy with the result then that"s all that matters. ;D
true,, and I"m not, its more the case of learning from better players opinions...Which is the very reason I joined APAT.
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If u r worried missing out on info by multi-tabling, then just get some tracking software and set up your hud to tell u everything u need.
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simple logic being volume of table, meaning more cash....good point, but I would lose the ability (wot little I have) in seeing patterns, and players who are that little bit worse than me....so not sure I"d be any good at multi-ing more than the 2 i do.
My point though Waz, is that at .05/.10 you don"t really need to worry about the meta-game stuff. you can play robotic poker just playing the value of your cards, and you will make money. At this level, people generally don"t fold, so whilst spotting patterns in play is good, it"s not always going to help - you might spot weakness in someone, but unless you have good cards, you will rarely win the hand - they just don"t fold, no matter what you do. by multi-tabling you can just play really nitty poker and get paid off when you have a hand - playing 6 or 8 tables helps to alleviate the boredom, and increases your earning potential.
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simple logic being volume of table, meaning more cash....good point, but I would lose the ability (wot little I have) in seeing patterns, and players who are that little bit worse than me....so not sure I"d be any good at multi-ing more than the 2 i do.
My point though Waz, is that at .05/.10 you don"t really need to worry about the meta-game stuff. you can play robotic poker just playing the value of your cards, and you will make money. At this level, people generally don"t fold, so whilst spotting patterns in play is good, it"s not always going to help - you might spot weakness in someone, but unless you have good cards, you will rarely win the hand - they just don"t fold, no matter what you do. by multi-tabling you can just play really nitty poker and get paid off when you have a hand - playing 6 or 8 tables helps to alleviate the boredom, and increases your earning potential.
will try 4 tonite....B/roll will not enable me to play 6 or 8!....post on here tonite what + / - I acheived.
I"m sure you"ll wait with baited breathe!
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A lot of online players say that the bankroll does not need to be as high when playing multitables, because variance is reduced. This is all well and good if playing 4 tables does not affect you A game, there is a big difference between 2 tables and 4 imo. It took me a while to feel comfortable playing 4 tables and at first i actually timed out by mistake when i had flopped a set on 1 table, and i can remember folding the nuts by mistake on another table. I know if i were to play anymore tables than 4 at this minute i would be outside my comfort zone.
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will try 4 tonite....B/roll will not enable me to play 6 or 8!....post on here tonite what + / - I acheived.
I"m sure you"ll wait with baited breathe!
my 2 cents..
Sounds like you dont use tracking software, this is a must if you"re going to play cash games. Holdem manager is the dogs... >> http://www.holdemmanager.com/ (http://www.holdemmanager.com/). Its not overly difficult to set up, but if you do decide to use it and have any problems, drop a pm and I"ll gladly help you through some basics.
You should increase the tables you play gradually, one at a time is safest, jumping from two tabling to six tabling is a big ask.
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will try 4 tonite....B/roll will not enable me to play 6 or 8!....post on here tonite what + / - I acheived.
I"m sure you"ll wait with baited breathe!
my 2 cents..
Sounds like you dont use tracking software, this is a must if you"re going to play cash games. Holdem manager is the dogs... >> http://www.holdemmanager.com/ (http://www.holdemmanager.com/). Its not overly difficult to set up, but if you do decide to use it and have any problems, drop a pm and I"ll gladly help you through some basics.
You should increase the tables you play gradually, one at a time is safest, jumping from two tabling to six tabling is a big ask.
I may just take you up on that!...I indeed have never used tracking software, always avoided it tbh. Classic reason was during a cash session...I called a river bet...i was told " did you not see my stats"..that was a fish call"..(words to that effect)...meaning if i had tracking software I"d have "noticed" he only ever rivers bets with the nuts .etc, etc. so would this mean i became stats heavy and lose feel for it..etc
Really don"t know..but I guess worth a go.
I get the impression most use it.
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will try 4 tonite....B/roll will not enable me to play 6 or 8!....post on here tonite what + / - I acheived.
I"m sure you"ll wait with baited breathe!
my 2 cents..
Sounds like you dont use tracking software, this is a must if you"re going to play cash games. Holdem manager is the dogs... >> http://www.holdemmanager.com/ (http://www.holdemmanager.com/). Its not overly difficult to set up, but if you do decide to use it and have any problems, drop a pm and I"ll gladly help you through some basics.
You should increase the tables you play gradually, one at a time is safest, jumping from two tabling to six tabling is a big ask.
I may just take you up on that!...I indeed have never used tracking software, always avoided it tbh. Classic reason was during a cash session...I called a river bet...i was told " did you not see my stats"..that was a fish call"..(words to that effect)...meaning if i had tracking software I"d have "noticed" he only ever rivers bets with the nuts .etc, etc. so would this mean i became stats heavy and lose feel for it..etc
Really don"t know..but I guess worth a go.
I get the impression most use it.
Just remember that many of your opponents will be using it against you, and will therefore have an edge that you are not accessing. You might want to keep the "feel for it", or "keep it real", but you are just putting yourself at a disadvantage against all those players using software. By actively refusing to use it, you are simply cutting off your nose to spite your face.
The software doesn"t play poker for you - it doesn"t even make decisions for you. All it does is help you to assimiliate and co-ordinate all the data that your eyes are seeing but that your brain couldn"t possibly gather, store, and recall, in the fast paced online game.
You can try PokerTracker3 free for your first 1000 hands. I challenge you to download it and use it for the free period, and then not go buy it - once you"ve tried it, you will never lookback, and the $90 you will spend on it will be the best $90 you spent, and will be recouped with ease.
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at the minute, its free for 60 days. may aswell give it a go.
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will try 4 tonite....B/roll will not enable me to play 6 or 8!....post on here tonite what + / - I acheived.
I"m sure you"ll wait with baited breathe!
my 2 cents..
Sounds like you dont use tracking software, this is a must if you"re going to play cash games. Holdem manager is the dogs... >> http://www.holdemmanager.com/ (http://www.holdemmanager.com/). Its not overly difficult to set up, but if you do decide to use it and have any problems, drop a pm and I"ll gladly help you through some basics.
You should increase the tables you play gradually, one at a time is safest, jumping from two tabling to six tabling is a big ask.
I may just take you up on that!...I indeed have never used tracking software, always avoided it tbh. Classic reason was during a cash session...I called a river bet...i was told " did you not see my stats"..that was a fish call"..(words to that effect)...meaning if i had tracking software I"d have "noticed" he only ever rivers bets with the nuts .etc, etc. so would this mean i became stats heavy and lose feel for it..etc
Really don"t know..but I guess worth a go.
I get the impression most use it.
Just remember that many of your opponents will be using it against you, and will therefore have an edge that you are not accessing. You might want to keep the "feel for it", or "keep it real", but you are just putting yourself at a disadvantage against all those players using software. By actively refusing to use it, you are simply cutting off your nose to spite your face.
The software doesn"t play poker for you - it doesn"t even make decisions for you. All it does is help you to assimiliate and co-ordinate all the data that your eyes are seeing but that your brain couldn"t possibly gather, store, and recall, in the fast paced online game.
You can try PokerTracker3 free for your first 1000 hands. I challenge you to download it and use it for the free period, and then not go buy it - once you"ve tried it, you will never lookback, and the $90 you will spend on it will be the best $90 you spent, and will be recouped with ease.
ok, you"ve convinced me..If I"m ot take all this seriously, as I wished to do this year, then - challenge accepted.
Will update on here once it is downloaded and update on the 1st 1000 hands / 60days.
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Loaded it once - it told me I was shiite - unloaded it agin - tell me something I dont know ;D
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will try 4 tonite....B/roll will not enable me to play 6 or 8!....post on here tonite what + / - I acheived.
I"m sure you"ll wait with baited breathe!
my 2 cents..
Sounds like you dont use tracking software, this is a must if you"re going to play cash games. Holdem manager is the dogs... >> http://www.holdemmanager.com/ (http://www.holdemmanager.com/). Its not overly difficult to set up, but if you do decide to use it and have any problems, drop a pm and I"ll gladly help you through some basics.
You should increase the tables you play gradually, one at a time is safest, jumping from two tabling to six tabling is a big ask.
I may just take you up on that!...I indeed have never used tracking software, always avoided it tbh. Classic reason was during a cash session...I called a river bet...i was told " did you not see my stats"..that was a fish call"..(words to that effect)...meaning if i had tracking software I"d have "noticed" he only ever rivers bets with the nuts .etc, etc. so would this mean i became stats heavy and lose feel for it..etc
Really don"t know..but I guess worth a go.
I get the impression most use it.
Just remember that many of your opponents will be using it against you, and will therefore have an edge that you are not accessing. You might want to keep the "feel for it", or "keep it real", but you are just putting yourself at a disadvantage against all those players using software. By actively refusing to use it, you are simply cutting off your nose to spite your face.
The software doesn"t play poker for you - it doesn"t even make decisions for you. All it does is help you to assimiliate and co-ordinate all the data that your eyes are seeing but that your brain couldn"t possibly gather, store, and recall, in the fast paced online game.
You can try PokerTracker3 free for your first 1000 hands. I challenge you to download it and use it for the free period, and then not go buy it - once you"ve tried it, you will never lookback, and the $90 you will spend on it will be the best $90 you spent, and will be recouped with ease.
ok, you"ve convinced me..If I"m ot take all this seriously, as I wished to do this year, then - challenge accepted.
Will update on here once it is downloaded and update on the 1st 1000 hands / 60days.
done...played for 1st time last night...wow lots of information....lost $20!!...but will take a while i guess to learn....
on that note....any hints tips etc, to get the best out of my 60 days?
What am I looking for...or what stats (me and villain) should I be concentrating on?
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There are gazillions of stats you can report or filter on - and if you try to use them all in one go, you won"t take any benefit.
Personally, my HUD just contains VP$IP, PFR, AF, C-Bet. Occasionally, if I"m single tabling at higher level than I should be playing, I might amend the HUD to include things like preflop 3B and fold to 3B. By clicking the HUD, you drop down a few more focussed stats per player that give you a snapshot insight - useful for spotting things like their steal ratio, or the %age of time they fold to bets/raises on each street.
Thing is, whoever you ask, you"ll get a different answer as to which stats are most useful during play.
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VP$IP, PFR, 3-bet, winrate
c/bet, ftc/bet, ft3/b, AF
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VP$IP, PFR, 3-bet, winrate
c/bet, ftc/bet, ft3/b, AF
Marty, do you use flop and turn cbet stats. These two combined, point to who you can profitably float, an extreme but not uncommon tendancy is cbet flop 100% cbet turn 0%. You can profitably play pots ip with almost atc, he is going to give up on the turn lots ie: tell you he missed!
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Yea agree its pretty key and a really good tool. Do u use HEM or PT3?
As for Waz - for starters just focus on VPIP and PFR to help u categorize villains. Also helps decide who to isolate and what range u should be playing against each.
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Yea agree its pretty key and a really good tool. Do u use HEM or PT3?
As for Waz - for starters just focus on VPIP and PFR to help u categorize villains. Also helps decide who to isolate and what range u should be playing against each.
I use HM, its the dogs. Previously used PT pre PT3.
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Now i know how you play brendan. tricky indeed. All i have to do vs you is fire 2 bullets now.
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There are gazillions of stats you can report or filter on - and if you try to use them all in one go, you won"t take any benefit.
Personally, my HUD just contains VP$IP, PFR, AF, C-Bet. Occasionally, if I"m single tabling at higher level than I should be playing, I might amend the HUD to include things like preflop 3B and fold to 3B. By clicking the HUD, you drop down a few more focussed stats per player that give you a snapshot insight - useful for spotting things like their steal ratio, or the %age of time they fold to bets/raises on each street.
Thing is, whoever you ask, you"ll get a different answer as to which stats are most useful during play.
talking to an amateur!!..wot is AF?
for the vp$ip, pfr and c-bets...higher the % the more of a wider range they are most likely playing..so i play opp?!! and the higher % of c-bets, is a place to re-raise (if board friendly) ...unless they also have stats showing 0% fold to re-raise type of stat.
I saw the snapshot insight, and it was a maze of stats. all very useful indeed..if I know wot i should be noticing. will look at steal and % fold to bets/raises for starters.
feel free to tell me to uninstall it!!....if u think im not ready for it!!.. :-\ :-[
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Now i know how you play brendan. tricky indeed. All i have to do vs you is fire 2 bullets now.
Maybe Double barrelling will lose you more $$$ Will ;D
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talking to an amateur!!..wot is AF?
for the vp$ip, pfr and c-bets...higher the % the more of a wider range they are most likely playing..so i play opp?!! and the higher % of c-bets, is a place to re-raise (if board friendly) ...unless they also have stats showing 0% fold to re-raise type of stat.
I saw the snapshot insight, and it was a maze of stats. all very useful indeed..if I know wot i should be noticing. will look at steal and % fold to bets/raises for starters.
feel free to tell me to uninstall it!!....if u think im not ready for it!!.. :-\ :-[
Af is aggression factor derived from passive action (check/call)/ aggro action ( bet/raise )
2.5 - 3.5 is good, above and below are too passive or too aggro respectively.
Stick at it you"ll soon be fluent.
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my 1st one EVER... ;D :o 8)
Full Tilt Poker Game #18616718156: Table Bandit - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 8:50:47 ET - 2010/02/20
Seat 1: Discipline09 ($11.05)
Seat 2: BassAce01 ($9.40)
Seat 3: Vadim_TM ($3.30)
Seat 4: Michael Specht ($7)
Seat 5: pushout84 ($10.93)
Seat 6: TonyKosyak ($4.80)
Seat 7: TOMY-BANFIELD ($10)
Seat 8: Funtoff777 ($4)
Seat 9: uBaHoB ($5.54)
Vadim_TM posts the small blind of $0.05
Michael Specht posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Discipline09 [Ah Ac]
pushout84 folds
TonyKosyak calls $0.10
TOMY-BANFIELD folds
Funtoff777 folds
uBaHoB calls $0.10
Discipline09 raises to $0.50
BassAce01 folds
Vadim_TM raises to $3.30, and is all in
Michael Specht folds
TonyKosyak folds
uBaHoB has 15 seconds left to act
uBaHoB folds
Discipline09 calls $2.80
Vadim_TM shows [6s 6h]
Discipline09 shows [Ah Ac]
*** FLOP *** [Kh Jh Th]
*** TURN *** [Kh Jh Th] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [Kh Jh Th 9d] [Qh]
Vadim_TM shows a flush, King high
Discipline09 shows a Royal Flush
Discipline09 wins the pot ($6.44) with a Royal Flush
uBaHoB: LOL
Vadim_TM is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.90 | Rake $0.46
Board: [Kh Jh Th 9d Qh]
Seat 1: Discipline09 showed [Ah Ac] and won ($6.44) with a Royal Flush
Seat 2: BassAce01 (button) didn"t bet (folded)
Seat 3: Vadim_TM (small blind) showed [6s 6h] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 4: Michael Specht (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: pushout84 didn"t bet (folded)
Seat 6: TonyKosyak folded before the Flop
Seat 7: TOMY-BANFIELD didn"t bet (folded)
Seat 8: Funtoff777 didn"t bet (folded)
Seat 9: uBaHoB folded before the Flop