Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: AVFC.WILSON on March 01, 2010, 00:55:16 AM
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Had Q-Q under the gun.
Blinds were at $2000/$4000.
I limp in with $4,000.
(PERSON A) An average stack in late position raises to $12,000.
Action back to Small Blind who folds, Then to big blind (PERSON B) who is chip lead with nearly 200k, he over bets something stupid like $60k. I decide to get out the way because we are only 3 exits away from the bubble.
(PERSON A) Instant calls with suited A-K and (PERSON B) Pocket 7"s.
Most gutting of all was the flop came down 2-Q-Q
What was the best way to play this hand? Should i have shoved UTG? Or was i right to be greedy and wait for the bubble so that i could loosen up my play and cash?
I couldn"t put a hand on (PERSON A) but i put (PERSON B) either A-A K-K or A-K. (Shows how wells i can read hands) :-\
But still i"d have been devastated seeing an ace or king pair up on the board. Playing for 5 hours and not cashing doesn"t seem a whole lot of fun to me.
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Had a handful of sick bad beats tonight as well :S
In the first hour of rebuys my A8 vs 10 10
Flop x-A-A was looking good up until the turn when a 10 decided to pop up and give the other bloke a full house.
And my favourite hand at the moment 4-2 seemed un-beatable
on the flop 4-4-2 turn x and river 3.
I"m all in and some donk in the far corner shows 4-3
Had my Phil Hellmuth impression to a tee
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you have to examine the 60k over bet and think about why he would do this, if he has AA, AK or KK, he will flat because he wants you in as well, hoping you will re-raise him all in or he could be doing it hoping you see it as an overplay and then jam into him. that read is up to you and your knowledge of your opponent
it looks like you had the bubble on your mind at this point, which clouds the majority of judgements, but if you cannot make a clear decision then fold is probably the best way to go.
seeing flopped quads is a wounder but that"s just being results orientated as that wont happen very often.
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limping is bad. Folding after all the action is worse.
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loosen up as the bubble aproaches as you should be playing to mini cash but playing to win
by loosening up you should be able to build a nice stack from those trying to mini cash
open with the queens the shove or call any shove
as played get them in
remember though depending which site your on the cards on the flop would of been different
as they are shuffled constantly untill needed
which means you would more than likely went out before the cash as teh AK was still 50/50
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you have 2 queens, why are you folding?
once you get all that action after you its boogie time before pressing the shove button
play to win, not to cash
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Limping is horrible, and folding is worse, you have the third best starting hand in Poker, what ya waiting for?
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It"s also important to know how many chips u started the hand with?
But yea.......dnt fold quads.
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Because you limped in i think it means that you were prepared to fold your way into the money, this is not good tourney advice because you will never make a deep run where the money really counts.
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limping is only ok if your read on the table is that you are getting raised by weak hands who perceive your limp as weak. Personally, even if I have this read, I"m still raising and not folding. the bubble shouldn"t come into it here. Forget the flopped quads because of what Iron said, It was the RNG laughing at you for folding QQ
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The only positive reason for limping UTG with a monster is to wait for someone to raise so you can get your chips in.
think about the hand for a moment - the big stack making the overbet is likely to do this a lot with some form of bullish squeeze play as the bubble approaches, particularly given that you showed potential weakness with your limp, and he sees dead money in the pot.
Limping is fine here - but only if you"re prepared to get your chips in when action heats up behind you. Limp/folding QQ in this spot is awful - would you have done it if the bubble was already burst? If the answer"s no, then you were playing scared of the bubble - not good.
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The only positive reason for limping UTG with a monster is to wait for someone to raise so you can get your chips in.
think about the hand for a moment - the big stack making the overbet is likely to do this a lot with some form of bullish squeeze play as the bubble approaches, particularly given that you showed potential weakness with your limp, and he sees dead money in the pot.
Limping is fine here - but only if you"re prepared to get your chips in when action heats up behind you. Limp/folding QQ in this spot is awful - would you have done it if the bubble was already burst? If the answer"s no, then you were playing scared of the bubble - not good.
If the bubble was burst... i"d be happy with an all in shove UTG. So i suppose i was playing "scared of the bubble" Would you rather cash though or play the cards and hope that you"d win what would ultimately of been a coin flip?
Time and time again i seem to get my 10-10 J-J K-K etc busted by worse hands A-K A-Q :-\
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The only positive reason for limping UTG with a monster is to wait for someone to raise so you can get your chips in.
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Yep this.
What was your chipstack at that stage?
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The only positive reason for limping UTG with a monster is to wait for someone to raise so you can get your chips in.
think about the hand for a moment - the big stack making the overbet is likely to do this a lot with some form of bullish squeeze play as the bubble approaches, particularly given that you showed potential weakness with your limp, and he sees dead money in the pot.
Limping is fine here - but only if you"re prepared to get your chips in when action heats up behind you. Limp/folding QQ in this spot is awful - would you have done it if the bubble was already burst? If the answer"s no, then you were playing scared of the bubble - not good.
If the bubble was burst... i"d be happy with an all in shove UTG. So i suppose i was playing "scared of the bubble" Would you rather cash though or play the cards and hope that you"d win what would ultimately of been a coin flip?
Time and time again i seem to get my 10-10 J-J K-K etc busted by worse hands A-K A-Q :-\
Can"t make it to the "real money" without getting into coin-flips along the way. I suspect you"d be happy to take a coin-flip against AK earlier on, long before the bubble.... so this situation shouldn"t be different.
You have a basic choice here - avoid the flip and go for the min-cash, or take the risk of missing out on the min-cash in order that you could accumulate a stack that might take you really deep.
QQ is far to good to fold in your situation, especially with all the value in the middle, IF you are playing to win.
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The only positive reason for limping UTG with a monster is to wait for someone to raise so you can get your chips in.
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Yep this.
What was your chipstack at that stage?
Had about 6 or 7 times the big blind at the time of folding Q-Q...
Ended up folding both big and small blind hands... Bubble burst and decided to shove With A-5 clubs... two clubs on the flop but it wasn"t to be my day.
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Had about 6 or 7 times the big blind at the time of folding Q-Q...
oh my word, please just shove......
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The only positive reason for limping UTG with a monster is to wait for someone to raise so you can get your chips in.
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Yep this.
What was your chipstack at that stage?
Had about 6 or 7 times the big blind at the time of folding Q-Q...
Ended up folding both big and small blind hands... Bubble burst and decided to shove With A-5 clubs... two clubs on the flop but it wasn"t to be my day.
Less than 10 big blinds with QQ utg - I don"t think any thinking is required; it"s just a shove
If you double up you"ve got a chance of getting cards to win some more pots after the bubble burst, if you triple up you"ve got a very playable stack
If you fold, more so if you limp fold, you might not even make it past the bubble - it would only take a couple of people getting lucky and you end up without the chips from that hand and without the min cash that you do it for.
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with 7xBB, limping anything is just plain wrong. Shove it in and pray for a call.
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No wonder I won so many chips around the bubble ;)
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miiiikeeee
want to come to my local home game?>
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I folded QQ preflop in an unraised pot on the bubble recently.
Bit different though when you are down to 3BB and 27th place of 31 survivors in a 30 seat satellite. Managed to crawl over the line.
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The only positive reason for limping UTG with a monster is to wait for someone to raise so you can get your chips in.
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Yep this.
What was your chipstack at that stage?
Had about 6 or 7 times the big blind at the time of folding Q-Q...
Ended up folding both big and small blind hands... Bubble burst and decided to shove With A-5 clubs... two clubs on the flop but it wasn"t to be my day.
I cried a little tear. U will know for next time.
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Raise pre flop or as you did just call then when you were re-raised shove , nothin else to it
HOW can you fold QQ with the chips you had left, AHHH well next time go for it
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7BBs!! I cried.
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I really hope this thread isn"t a level... :D